Spring and Summer Cycles

[Brown Ninja]

30 Years Old
6’3’’
225lbs
12% Bodyfat
Lifting for 15+ Years
4th Cycle

I am looking to start a new cycle within the next month or so and was looking for a little advice. My supplier is getting out of the business so I need to stalk up while I can and take advantage of some pretty solid prices. The first proposed cycle is very basic and I have experience with both compounds. My only real question with the first cycle is when to stop taking the arimidex , I was planning on stopping after my last shot of Test and when exactly to start PCT, which I was planning on starting three days after the last shot of Test. I just wanted to run it by you guys and make sure I did my homework correctly.

First Cycle –
Weeks 1-12 Test E @ 500mg/week
*Shots every 3.5 days
Weeks 1-4 D-bol 40mgs/day
***Arimidex taken @ .5mg/day

PCT- Nolva and Chlomid
Weeks 1-2
Chlomid 100mg/day
Nolva 40mgs/day
Weeks 3-4
Chlomid 50mgs/day
Nolva 20mgs/day

16 Weeks off between cycles……

The second proposed cycle will have a base of Test E or C that will be ran at 500mgs/week for 12 weeks with an identical PCT as the one above but I was hoping to add Anavar or Whinny. I have no experience with either compound but have heard and read great things about both. I plan on being sub 10% bodyfat at this time so I think it would be an ideal time to take the Whinny. I was wondering if there is a big difference in effectiveness between oral and injectable Whinny? For those of you that have personal experience with Whinny and Var would you recommend one over the other? I am also curious what sort of cycle any of you have ran with Whinny and Var. Most things I have heard or read have a cycle front or back load with the above mentioned compounds for 4 weeks only. Would it be effective to run either compound for more than 4 weeks?

Thanks in advance for all the help and please feel free to point out errors that I have made in the proposed cycles above.

[FireGuy]

If you are running test e your pct should start 2 weeks after the last shot not 3 days.

[Brown Ninja]

Thank you very much, I appreciate the help. So I guess that would also put my next cycle another two weeks out as well.

[CHUCKYthentic]

Test E has an active life of about 15 days so start you pct 2 weeks after last test e shot

[Brown Ninja]

Will do. Anyone have any advice on the Var and Whinny? Does the PCT look legit?

[RoidBoid]

i would do adex .25 ed or eod, ed if you are gyno prone, and eod if not ... i think .5 is abit too much IMO

[RoidBoid]

clomid 50mg is plenty, when u start hitting the 100mark and above is when the serious sides from that shizzel happen

[*RAGE*]

I would say on the Winn start it at week 8 and run it till you start you pct on week 14 then jump into your pct..

let me add on my last cycle I ran it form week 8 at 50mg ed for six weeks had great results

[Brown Ninja]

No issues whatsoever with gyno in the past so I will step down to .25 eod on the a-dex. Thanks.

[RoidBoid]

id also stick the winny in for the later part of the cycle, harden you up give you a dryer look

[Brown Ninja]

So keep the clomid at 50mg/day for the whole 4 week PCT?

[Brown Ninja]

How long should the Winny be run for? Can i get away with 6 weeks or is 4 the safer bet? Is there a huge difference between taking it orally vs injecting? I know it needs to be shot everyday so that is what i was hoping to avoid by taking it pill form.

[*RAGE*]

So keep the clomid at 50mg/day for the whole 4 week PCT?

I would go with 100mg for at least the first week..then 50mg for the next three.

[RoidBoid]

ye IMO thats fine, worked for me ....

[Brown Ninja]

Does the Nolva dosage look good?

[*RAGE*]

Does the Nolva dosage look good?

yes...

[CHUCKYthentic]

I would go with 100mg for at least the first week..then 50mg for the next three.

agreed

Ninja, are u planning on running the var in the 2nd cycle too?

[Mammon]

first cycle looks fine..

second cycle agree with prone.. the winny 8-14 and jump right on pct..

if you decided to use the var instead id run the var even longer. 8-10 weeks... 4/6-14..

the adex.. i run .25 ed through my cycles..

as for the pct.. i prefer 100mg clomid with the nolvadex .. with the old pct protocol using 300mg clomid the first day i suffered those unwanted sides.. prettty much nill with the 100mg.. slght tracers at times.. i avoid this by taking all my pct meds at night before bed.. sleep right through the possible sides.. stuff makes me tired anyway..helps me sleep.

[Brown Ninja]

I guess for the second cycle I am curious as what you guys think would work better....Whinny or Var. I have no experience but have heard great things about both.

[Brown Ninja]

what about a cycle with a 4 week d-bol kickstart that finishes the last four weeks with Whinny?

[Brown Ninja]

Thanks to everyone for the PCT help and info

[*RAGE*]

what about a cycle with a 4 week d-bol kickstart that finishes the last four weeks with Whinny?

you still could finish with six weeks of winn because you are running it all the way to your pct.

Both have there good points, but I think you will get more with the winn. it is just a stronger steroid .

[Mammon]

what about a cycle with a 4 week d-bol kickstart that finishes the last four weeks with Whinny?

id still run winny 6 weeks.. why do you want to run it 4 weeks.

test e 1-12
dbol 1-4
winny 9-14

little break between the orals and can jump right on pct..

[T-MOS]

Hmm is the sky falling? I dont' think I have ever seen brown ninja on this side of the board......lolol sorry , i couldn't resist

and to answer your question about how long to run the arimidex , I would run it right up to PCT time as the test will still be in your system.

[Mammon]

oh shit prones here.. i better speed up my posting... lol

[Mammon]

tmos too.. i dont have a chance..

[jbm]

Hi! Brown Ninja the first thing that comes to my mind is "Good Luck" lol!

[WARMachine]

clomid 50mg is plenty, when u start hitting the 100mark and above is when the serious sides from that shizzel happen

People often abuse Clomid in doses of 150mgs-300mgs and get horrible side effects. IMO, as long as its kept under 100mgs, those sides seem to not have as big an effect.

100mgs for the first 2wks, and 50mgs for the last two.

Clomid does something that nolva cannot, in 7days at 100mg it increases LH and FSH by as much as 50%,and when used together they work better than their sum. Although these drugs are similar compounds they are not the same. Nolva isn't used to test HPTA function clomid is, Nolva isn't used to treat secondary hypgonadism, clomid is.

Thanks LATS^

[Brown Ninja]

you guys think it would be best to get the first cycle under my belt or go with the Test, whinny, d-bol for the first cycle? Maybe run Var on the second cycle?

[Brown Ninja]

Always nice to hear from my boy War

[Mammon]

id probably just go with the test and dbol first run.. but honesly, reason for this is to see how you react to each hormone.. since the dbol would be out of your system with the break between guess it wouldnt be a problem going with the winny at the end.. thats totally up to you.

[WARMachine]

That was one of my firsts.

Dbol , winn, and of course test!

[Brown Ninja]

what kind of gains did you get from that cycle War? Did you feel the whinny was helpful or just extra money spent?

[Brown Ninja]

haven't really heard much on Var yet. You guys not big on it? Is it the cost? I heard that strength gains on it are sick

[Mammon]

i like var.. use it on long cutters because i can run it for an extended period of time..
if you would rather run var go for it..
like i said in an earlier post id run it from weeks 4 or 6 through week 14.

[WARMachine]

what kind of gains did you get from that cycle War? Did you feel the whinny was helpful or just extra money spent?

I got about 20 solid pounds. But like i said, it was one of the first. The winny helped cut me up a little i believe, but my joints were dying while training. That was a drawback no doubt.

haven't really heard much on Var yet. You guys not big on it? Is it the cost? I heard that strength gains on it are sick

As you know, i LOVE Var! I think its the best oral out there. Great pumps, good gains, and most of all, you keep those gains. I mean they are solid lbs of muscle.

Go with the Anavar bro, i think you'll like it.

[Brown Ninja]

Should I stack it on the front end of a cycle? Can it actually be used to kickstart a cycle the way you would with d-bol or is it better suited using on the back end of a cycle?

[Brown Ninja]

1-12 Test E 500mg/week
1-4 D-bol 50mg/day
6-14 Var

Does this seem like a reasonable cycle? what should be the dosage for the var?

[Mammon]

id run it almost the entire cycle..
personally if i was running var i would run it the entire cycle.. not that i will recommend it..
ive ran var for close to 20 weeks with only slightly elevated liver values.
still think weeks 4/6-14 would be great..

dont know how much it helped but i also use liv52 and NAC

[Mammon]

60mg ed is a good dose.. but have ran it as low as 40 and as high as 80...