Pissed off please help!

[R1dinReal]

6th week into first cycle test cyp 400mg twice a week. i went to get my BF and lean mass check today and i was shocked top find that i lost 2lbs of lean mass and gained 2.5%BF WTF!!!! my lifts have improved alot though so i am stumped please help!

[Immortal Soldier]

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Post your diet


Could be bloat/glycogen gain, but usually that doesn't show up as bodyfat

[FireGuy]

What were your numbers prior and now and what type of test did they use to determine?

[R1dinReal]

What were your numbers prior and now and what type of test did they use to determine?

21 % BF yeah i know high but couldnt wait
217lbs
170 lean mass

now
23.5 BF really high
223lbs
168 lean mass

They did a fat fold test.

Breakfast
oatmeal
banana
protein shake
OJ

Snack
fat free cottage cheese
granola bar
cheese

lunch
chicken breast
brown rice

snack
apple
shake
tuna

dinner
5 eggs
whole wheat tortilla
cheese

after workout
shake
tuna

[laduem88]

well there not always 100% accurate...you should have waited til you got to 15% bf

[R1dinReal]

well there not always 100% accurate...you should have waited til you got to 15% bf

yes you are right. Do you think i should finish this cycle as a cut cycle to bring my BF down then start over on the next one to bulk?

[FireGuy]

Skinfolds at that high of bodyfat are not very accurate. Many times as a person gets leaner the fat is easier to pull away and your skinfold measurement will actually increase. When you get leaner this will stop happening. Also, always have the same person comp you, at the same time of the day and always use the same scale to weigh yourself. How many sites did they measure?

[R1dinReal]

Skinfolds at that high of bodyfat are not very accurate. Many times as a person gets leaner the fat is easier to pull away and your skinfold measurement will actually increase. When you get leaner this will stop happening. Also, always have the same person comp you, at the same time of the day and always use the same scale to weigh yourself. How many sites did they measure?

Three, one at the side of my chest the next my lower abdominal and last my upper thigh. Why would my strength increase if i was not gaining muscle?

[laduem88]

yes you are right. Do you think i should finish this cycle as a cut cycle to bring my BF down then start over on the next one to bulk?

well if i were you, i would try to recomp. its hard to do because your gaining muscle while loosing bf but its possible...just get your diet and training in check

[FireGuy]

You need to switch over to someone who can do a 9 site. Like I said earlier, I would wait til you are in the mid teens before trying calipers. What do the macros in your diet come to for the entire day?

[R1dinReal]

You need to switch over to someone who can do a 9 site. Like I said earlier, I would wait til you are in the mid teens before trying calipers. What do the macros in your diet come to for the entire day?

i cant say for sure as they probably change a little bit each day but i will figure it all out tonight. I am wondering if my workouts are a bit of a problem. I am doing a three day on 1 off, two body parts each day, one half hour each. do you think i should try something different.

[The Deuce]

Bro.. i myself started my cycle at a high bf % and when i did the skinfold method same thing happened then i did the tape measure method and ran the numbers through the computer program i use and everything was squared away that way. us high bf% peeps cant use the caliper method til we get down to the teens. The tape measure method is what they use for entrance into the military... not sure on how accurate it really is but if theu US armed forces rely on it then it has to be reliable...IMO

[R1dinReal]

Bro.. i myself started my cycle at a high bf % and when i did the skinfold method same thing happened then i did the tape measure method and ran the numbers through the computer program i use and everything was squared away that way. us high bf% peeps cant use the caliper method til we get down to the teens. The tape measure method is what they use for entrance into the military... not sure on how accurate it really is but if theu US armed forces rely on it then it has to be reliable...IMO

Thanks makes me feel a little better but i can't help but be a little discuraged because i have been working so hard. if i put 30lbs on my bench and 45 on curls and 25+ on tri's don't you think i should have gained muscle instead of lost muscle?

[*RAGE*]

bro I would if you have not already get some cardio in..if you have not been doing so I would start 20 mins two times a day. the first one on an empty stomach and then again later on in the night. I would keep your heartrate at arould 130 bpm...hope this helps..

build it up to 40 to 45 mins. two times a day

[The Deuce]

In all actuality you probably are gaining muscle bro... calipers just sucks unless your bf% is low... pm me And ill send you to the site where you can run the tape measure method tomorrow when i get up. Dont worry if ½he weight is going up thats a good sign... you are obviously doing something right... you know what i mean? Just keepin eating right and training and everything will work out in the end.

[The Deuce]

bro I would if you have not already get some cardio in..if you have not been doing so I would start 20 mins two times a day. the first one on an empty stomach and then again later on in the night. I would keep your heartrate at arould 130 bpm...hope this helps..

build it up to 40 to 45 mins. two times a day

I honestly need to start doing this myself... i just get so worried i am going burn up my precious muscle...lol....

[*RAGE*]

I honestly need to start doing this myself... i just get so worried i am going burn up my precious muscle...lol....

You shouldnt if you up your carbs a little bit on the PWO, it will help your energy levels through out the day..

[R1dinReal]

bro I would if you have not already get some cardio in..if you have not been doing so I would start 20 mins two times a day. the first one on an empty stomach and then again later on in the night. I would keep your heartrate at arould 130 bpm...hope this helps..

build it up to 40 to 45 mins. two times a day

I do cardio but only 20 to 30 min 3 times a week. I'll try stepping it up though. Thanks for the input it all helps.

[The Deuce]

So if i were to say wake up and do a 30 minute bike ride then.... eat breakfast... go through the rest of my day eating like i normally do... then after my workout go for another 30 minute bike ride finish that and slam down say an extra 50 maybe 60 extra grams of carbs then i normally ingest i should be alright and not start wasting away my muscle cause if thats what it takes ill start that tomorrow....

[R1dinReal]

So if i were to say wake up and do a 30 minute bike ride then.... eat breakfast... go through the rest of my day eating like i normally do... then after my workout go for another 30 minute bike ride finish that and slam down say an extra 50 maybe 60 extra grams of carbs then i normally ingest i should be alright and not start wasting away my muscle cause if thats what it takes ill start that tomorrow....

Hey Deuce what does your work out look like. i am thinking of switching it up due to recent problems i have shared. PM me if you get a chance so i can steel your routine for a try, if you don't mind.

[*RAGE*]

So if i were to say wake up and do a 30 minute bike ride then.... eat breakfast... go through the rest of my day eating like i normally do... then after my workout go for another 30 minute bike ride finish that and slam down say an extra 50 maybe 60 extra grams of carbs then i normally ingest i should be alright and not start wasting away my muscle cause if thats what it takes ill start that tomorrow....

I always put some protein after my cardio, my carbs after a run are bananas. I know this does not sound good but after my fun in the morning I eat a normal breakfast with oatmeal so I leave that one alone....my second run will come around 830 at night. now after that I eat one can of tuna with two bananas. I have never had a problem with losing muscle. just watch your heart rate and keep it in the fat burning range/

[*RAGE*]

Hey Deuce what does your work out look like. i am thinking of switching it up due to recent problems i have shared. PM me if you get a chance so i can steel your routine for a try, if you don't mind.

Hey bro check this site probodybuilder.com workout they have a lot of ideas

http://www.probodybuilding.com/bodyb...termediate.php

sorry for the H/J

[R1dinReal]

Hey bro check this site probodybuilder.com workout they have a lot of ideas

http://www.probodybuilding.com/bodyb...termediate.php

sorry for the H/J

thanks i'll check it out. i think i am just being to repetitive in my workouts and need a new pair of shoes!

[*RAGE*]

thanks i'll check it out. i think i am just being to repetitive in my workouts and need a new pair of shoes!

New pair of shoes is always a good idea...