tren, equipoise, test cycle?

**wannabebig11** · 03-31-2009, 12:37 PM

Hey guys I'm a new member im 5'11" and weigh 205lbs, 23 years old. Im currently planning for my next cycle.
my last cycle consisted of Test E-600mg/wk, deca -500mg/wk for 15 weeks, with D-bol for the first 6 weeks at 50mg/day. Ive been off now for 3 months and kept prolly 40-50% of gains.

I currently have onhand 50mL of tren E. 100mg/ml, a ton of test Cyp, and 40mL of equipoise @ 200mg/mL, nolva, and clomid
I was wanting to run all these together.
This will be my first tren cycle so Im not sure how much to do.
I was thinking
equipoise weeks 1-12 500mg/wk
tren e. weeks 1-10 500mg/wk
Test Cyp. weeks 1-12 300mg/wk
I was going to run nolva during the entire cycle and pct and also use clomid.
Do I need more for pct? HCG ?
I also have some D-bol I was thinking of using to kickstart the cycle. Maybe just 25mg/day
Is this too much?

**murphylee** · 03-31-2009, 01:05 PM

Welcome man.

Is this your first run through with gear?

**wannabebig11** · 03-31-2009, 02:17 PM

yeah

**wannabebig11** · 03-31-2009, 02:17 PM

I just need a little advice.

**jackuped** · 03-31-2009, 02:19 PM

Are you doing once a week shots or twice? Tren is pined ed or eod .Test should be greater or equal in amouts to others. You should read more on profiles they are every were.

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-31-2009, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by jackuped

Are you doing once a week shots or twice? Tren is pined ed or eod .Test should be greater or equal in amouts to others. You should read more on profiles they are every were.

He has tren -e, so it can be shot twice a week.

Personally I would run the tren-e at 400-500mgs for your first time around as for the cyp people run it at 400-500mgs (keep test dosage below tren dosage), I am currently on Tren-a and running it with ethanate, but im only doing 200mg/week of test-e.

So it's up to you.

**MMArmour** · 03-31-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by jackuped

Are you doing once a week shots or twice? Tren is pined ed or eod .Test should be greater or equal in amouts to others. You should read more on profiles they are every were.

FALSE. Maybe YOU should go read some profiles.

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-31-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

FALSE. Maybe YOU should go read some profiles.

Agreed, while there are people who run Test higher than Tren , it is generally recommended for it to be lower than the tren dosage to avoid sides.

**bmit** · 03-31-2009, 04:46 PM

If this is your first go with tren run it at 300-400 mgs / wk. You will still get great gains with the stack you have. the sides vary from person to person in severity and in nature, but can be pretty harsh. Especially with a long ester tren you want to go lower dosage to be on the safe side as it will be in your system for awhile if you need to come off it.

**NATE0406** · 03-31-2009, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by wannabebig11

Hey guys I'm a new member im 5'11" and weigh 205lbs, 23 years old. Im currently planning for my next cycle.
my last cycle consisted of Test E-600mg/wk, deca -500mg/wk for 15 weeks, with D-bol for the first 6 weeks at 50mg/day. Ive been off now for 3 months and kept prolly 40-50% of gains.

I currently have onhand 50mL of tren E. 100mg/ml, a ton of test Cyp, and 40mL of equipoise @ 200mg/mL, nolva, and clomid
I was wanting to run all these together.
This will be my first tren cycle so Im not sure how much to do.
I was thinking
equipoise weeks 1-12 500mg/wk
tren e. weeks 1-10 500mg/wk
Test Cyp. weeks 1-12 300mg/wk
I was going to run nolva during the entire cycle and pct and also use clomid.
Do I need more for pct? HCG ?
I also have some D-bol I was thinking of using to kickstart the cycle. Maybe just 25mg/day
Is this too much?

honestly bro your cycle looks pretty solid. tren dose is a little high for first time user but you should be fine. only suggustion would be to get yourself an AI.

**thai-lan** · 03-31-2009, 04:58 PM

damn nice , id love to cycle with Test E, Tren E and Eq.

**wackod2** · 03-31-2009, 05:11 PM

id add Arimidex to pct, id run tren a otherwise if you have bad sides on tren e, guess what? even if you stop it you have the same sides for weeks

that sounds fine right?

also only keep 40-50%? i did the close to the same cycle and clomic/nolva pct and kept 80% rest was water and a small loss in gains

dont tell me you cut during or right after your pct bro...

your pct for your last cycle needed to be more nolva, clomid, armidex , even hcg if you had it

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 12:31 PM

well, i started doing cardio again. I don't like doing cardio while im on a cycle bc of the left ventricular hypertrophy.
I didn't lose much muscle gains. I think mostly I cut body fat bc I didn't lose hardly any strength.

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 12:34 PM

I think I might take the advice to cut the tren down to 400mg/wk since its my first go with tren. Im gonna keep the test at 500mg/wk and the equipoise at 500mg/wk. I will pick up some arimidex .
I'm going to inject the test and eq once a week and the tren twice a week. Im going to do tren on mon/thur. test on mon and eq on thur.

thanks for all the help! any other suggestions guys?

**NATE0406** · 04-01-2009, 12:54 PM

why would you inject the test once a week. you need to devide it up into two injections a week for stable blood levels.

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 01:06 PM

The half life of Test C. is 8 days. so you will still have more than half of what you injected 7 days later. there is no point in dividing it up. Im sure your blood levels would be a little more stable but i dont think it will make much of a diff.
personally Ive done cycles with test where I injected twice a week and some where i injected once a week. Personally, I could not tell a diff in gains between the two.

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 01:23 PM

So would you guys include the d-bol for a kickstart or no?

**wackod2** · 04-01-2009, 05:24 PM

twice a week injections of test just keeps it more stable, unless your hate needles that bad why not?

dbols fine but its not exactly necessary

but if you cut down water and fat you really didnt lose a lot of gains, id state that next time as it makes a difference but anyways thats what i have to say

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 06:04 PM

thanks man.
yeah i guess i will go ahead and inject twice a week if you think it will help. its not gonna hurt anything thats for sure.

**Immortal Soldier** · 04-01-2009, 06:09 PM

I just noticed something, you said you only kept 40-50% of your last cycle?

What was your PCT? How was your diet?

You should have kept more, unless you bloated like a whale.

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 06:18 PM

my diet kind of screwed me. i ate way too much while i was on my cycle. i gained a total of 30 lbs. i went from 190 to 220. I currently way 205. so thats 50%. but i think most the weight i lost was water and fat bc i didn't lose much strength at all. For pct I did clomid 100mg/day, nolva 20mg/day for 2 weeks then;clomid 50mg/day, nolva 10mg/day 2 weeks.

**kevin313** · 04-01-2009, 06:24 PM

i always run my test higher than my tren whats the problem with it?

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 06:53 PM

im wandering the same thing. I have a ton of test but im not sure what is a safe dosage with tren test and eq.

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 07:11 PM

I finished PCT for my last cycle at the beginning of march. So its been 1 month. how long should i wait b4 starting this one? Im thinking june maybe july maybe later i don't know.

**Jfew44** · 04-01-2009, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by kevin313

i always run my test higher than my tren whats the problem with it?

No problem. It's up to the individual and how they respond.

**Jfew44** · 04-01-2009, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by wannabebig11

I finished PCT for my last cycle at the beginning of march. So its been 1 month. how long should i wait b4 starting this one? Im thinking june maybe july maybe later i don't know.

Time on + PCT = Time off

Generally this is the protocal, although you won't know for sure without blood work.

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 07:44 PM

So that would put me in late july early aug. thanks for the advice.

**Immortal Soldier** · 04-01-2009, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by wannabebig11

my diet kind of screwed me. i ate way too much while i was on my cycle. i gained a total of 30 lbs. i went from 190 to 220. I currently way 205. so thats 50%. but i think most the weight i lost was water and fat bc i didn't lose much strength at all. For pct I did clomid 100mg/day, nolva 20mg/day for 2 weeks then;clomid 50mg/day, nolva 10mg/day 2 weeks.

That doesn't make sense, 15lbs of water/fat?

If it was fat it wouldn't have disappeared after cycle, in fact you would be mores susceptible because your body is in a catabolic state afterwards.

Did you feel "puffy" and "bloated" on cycle?

You can never eat "too much" on cycle, unless the food you are eating is junk food or fatty foods and not healthy muscle building foods.

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 08:00 PM

the fact is that when i was on the cycle I ate way too much and my diet was not great. I gained alot of strength and muscle but I gained alot of fat as well. also i did zero cardio while on the cycle. After finishing pct I started running 3 miles per day again. So far i have lost 15 lbs or so. and yes i did feel majorly bloated on my cycle.

**Immortal Soldier** · 04-01-2009, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by wannabebig11

the fact is that when i was on the cycle I ate way too much and my diet was not great. I gained alot of strength and muscle but I gained alot of fat as well. also i did zero cardio while on the cycle. After finishing pct I started running 3 miles per day again. So far i have lost 15 lbs or so. and yes i did feel majorly bloated on my cycle.

Ok I see now, makes sense.

Just be careful you don't jump into cardio too early post-cycle when your body is weak hormonally.

Improve your diet this time around, I don't think you will have a problem with fat gain/bloating since your running tren .

**wannabebig11** · 04-01-2009, 08:09 PM

thanks man, i really appreciate it. Yeah, the diet is a must this time. I want to do it right this time. Im a little worried about the hunger effect of Eq.
Is there any way to combat this.

**Discipline_1** · 04-02-2009, 11:42 PM

i always run my test higher than my tren whats the problem with it?

there is not a definate problem with it, its just that some users report more severe side effects when the test is higher than the tren , tren as you all know is a powerful compound

i like your cycle wannabebig, i am going to be running a similar cycle starting in 3 weeks which will be my first run with tren, it will consist of
Tren A- 75mg/eod wks 1-6
test prop- 300mg/wk or 400mg/wk (havent decided yet) wks 1-13
Eq-600mg/wk wks 1-12
turinabol - 40mg/day or 50mg/day wks 4-12

I was also looking into adding T4, i am researching its capabilities combined with tren, not to hijack the thread but anybody have any input on this?

**wannabebig11** · 04-05-2009, 01:57 PM

Im not starting my cycle till july or aug. Let me know how your cycle treats you discipline 1.

**hankdiesel** · 04-05-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by wannabebig11

thanks man, i really appreciate it. Yeah, the diet is a must this time. I want to do it right this time. Im a little worried about the hunger effect of Eq.
Is there any way to combat this.

Don't worry about it. That hunger thing is overrated imo.