planning my equipoise and winstrol cycle.

[sfour_tay]

whats up guys.

i have recently got my hands on 40cc's of winstrol v and 40 cc's of equipoise .

this is my second cycle and i want to think it out a little more than my first.

i have been lifting for 4 years now pretty much every day. im 6ft and 200 pounds. not sure my bfi.
i just wanter to get some thoughts on what im planning.

before i get started i want to make clear i do not compete nor do i plan on competing. im doing this for my self and that good enough for me.

the equipoise i have is 300 mg per cc and the winny v is 50mg per cc.

i am going to shoot half a cc of poise EOD and .5 cc of winny v every day.

i know its alot of pinning but no pain no gain plus i want to keep my test levels as smooth as i can.

now i know alot of people recomend running test with this cycle but i cant get any...... at all. i know it sux but again im not looking for astronomical results nor do i want to get near 1000mg like my last cycle.

i have some areomasin left over from my first cycle and i want to use that since from what i have read completely stops the production of estrogen.

will the areomasin be enough of a pct an in what dose ? or should i add on some nolva ??

also should i be taking any think durring the cycle. i tooksome liquidex durring my last sust cycle but didnt know if its needed for this cycle.
i know i dont have to worry about the winny v as far as estrogen sides but the poise could cause some gyno which i obviously want to avoid.

so let me know what you think. i have the stuff but im going to diet for a little wile and wait till i do a little more research before starting.

thanks for the help and take it easy guys
EC

[sfour_tay]

i talked to a friend and i might be able to get some test E. if i can i will add 200mg a week to the cycle. what are your thoughts on this amount?

[peachfuzz]

whats up guys.

i have recently got my hands on 40cc's of winstrol v and 40 cc's of equipoise .

this is my second cycle and i want to think it out a little more than my first.

so far so good

i have been lifting for 4 years now pretty much every day. im 6ft and 200 pounds. not sure my bfi. can you give us a rough estimate? 3%? 40%?
i just wanter to get some thoughts on what im planning.

before i get started i want to make clear i do not compete nor do i plan on competing. im doing this for my self and that good enough for me.

the equipoise i have is 300 mg per cc and the winny v is 50mg per cc.

i am going to shoot half a cc of poise EOD and .5 cc of winny v every day.

Equipoise should be run a minimum of 12 weeks and ideally 14 weeks. shooting 2x a week is more then enough. the winstrol i would bump to 1cc everyday and run the last 6 weeks of your cycle.

i know its alot of pinning but no pain no gain plus i want to keep my test levels as smooth as i can.

now i know alot of people recomend running test with this cycle but i cant get any...... at all. i know it sux but again im not looking for astronomical results nor do i want to get near 1000mg like my last cycle.

YOU NEED TEST IN THIS CYCLE.

you mentioned you may be able to get a hold of some. good. dont start your cycle untill you do. 200mg a week is a good dose. you mentioned your not trying to be a bodybuilder. noted. but you need to replace the testosterone that your suppressing if you want to function properly

i have some areomasin left over from my first cycle and i want to use that since from what i have read completely stops the production of estrogen.

the idea is not to completely suppress estrogen. you need to keep it in check. too low is just as bad as too high. i like arimidex on cycle as it is milder then aromasin, however with this cycle i dont forsee you running into any estrogenic sides.

will the areomasin be enough of a pct an in what dose ? or should i add on some nolva ??

you can use the aromasin but your gonna need some nolva and clomid

also should i be taking any think durring the cycle. i tooksome liquidex durring my last sust cycle but didnt know if its needed for this cycle.
i know i dont have to worry about the winny v as far as estrogen sides but the poise could cause some gyno which i obviously want to avoid.

see above

so let me know what you think. i have the stuff but im going to diet for a little wile and wait till i do a little more research before starting.

thanks for the help and take it easy guys
EC

i talked to a friend and i might be able to get some test E. if i can i will add 200mg a week to the cycle. what are your thoughts on this amount?

answers in bold...

[sfour_tay]

thanks for the words of wisdom.

it looks like i can get a hold of some test e. he says its 200mg a cc.

as far as shooting eod with the poise. this is how i figure. by doing half cc shots its alot easier to shoot and have it absorbe than a full cc. im on my feet all day an moving around and being sore was a big problem in my first cycle. i think by doing less more often it will regulate my levels so they dont spike then drop off. i dont mind the shot its just after when the oil is all built up.

as far as how long im running the poise 10 weeks is to sort??

i can get more of the poise, looks like i would need 4 more cc's of poise to run it for 12 weeks. how often do i need to shoot the test?


how many calories would be sutable to take in to give me enough energy but not over kill.

thanks
EC

[sfour_tay]

bump

[MMArmour]

Peachfuzz lined this all out for you bro.

No real need to inject EQ eod. Pair it up with your test e and inject them both same day. I find it hard to believe that you were so sore you couldnt even walk???

yes 10 weeks of EQ is too short.

Inject Test E @ e3.5d. Same as EQ.

Mon. morning and thursday night. or whatever days you want to set it up.

If youre sore on this its going to be from the winnie. Instead of injecting it you can still take it oral to avoid soreness.

As far as caloric intake we are going to need stats. But energy is going to be dependent on carb intake.

[sfour_tay]

so im getting more cc's of poise and 20cc's of test e. i only need 4 more cc's of the poise to run it for 12 weeks at 600mg a week. not sure if i shoudl use the rest and just run the cycle longer or just up the dossage. same with the test e. i plan on running 200mg a week for 12 weeks but in thinking just up the dosage a little and run it for 14 weeks and do the same with the eq.

as far as pain from shooting it was my first cycle and i was still getting usto shooting. im not as nervious now since i know some tricks to make it better.

i was doing sust 250 for my first cycle and i was told that it was better to shoot it every other day to keep the levels steady. is eq different than this ? i thought the more often you shoot the smother your levels are and you dont have peaks and valleys.


i plan on using 21 gauge needles at 1.5 inches. are these suitable or is it over kill.

thanks for the help.

my next step after getting the rest of the gear is to start getting my pct stuff.
how much ameridex would be good to run during this cycle ? if its even necessary.
looks like im going to be breaking the 1000mg a week mark so i want to make sure i take care of my self and dont end up with bad sides. better safe than sorry.

thanks for all the help.

EC

[Phoenix7]

I would try using 23G or even 25G youll like it much better 21G is kinda BIG.As the lenth on you some people perfer inch others perfer inch and a half also depending were were putting it good luck show some pics threw your cycle.

[hankdiesel]

No wonder you get so sore. Lay off the 21g needles. 23g is good for delts and glutes.

[sfour_tay]

i was pinning my delts, quads and glutes. this time i want to hit calves as well. i would shove the needle all the way in on my first cycle, is this necessary?

i was told drawing eq up into needle any smaller than 21 would take for ever.

thanks guys
EC

[british bulldog 1]

i woud definately add test e for maximum results

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

i was pinning my delts, quads and glutes. this time i want to hit calves as well. i would shove the needle all the way in on my first cycle, is this necessary?

i was told drawing eq up into needle any smaller than 21 would take for ever.

thanks guys
EC

I always use a 20g to draw out of the vial then switch it for a 23g or 25g to inject, try it then you won't have a problem drawing it out

[peachfuzz]

yes use the 21g to draw with then switch pins and shoot with a 23g or 25g. EQ and Test E are different from Sust. Sust is a combination of esters and it should be shot EOD to maximize the shorter esters in it. This is not the case with EQ/Test E. they are both long esters and 2x/week is fine. I reccommend running the Test a week longer then the EQ and then waiting two weeks after last injection to start post cycle. Personally I would bump the test to 400mg a week but ill leave that up to you. arimidex should be kept on hand but i dont think youll need it.

[sfour_tay]

im thinking i may do 300mg of the test.

i dont think i can reuse the 21g after i draw but i figuered i would ask. it seems kinda expensive to buy all those syrenges and then just use the needle, that is unless they just sell sterile needles with out he syrenge.
can i use the ameridex ed just to be on the safe side or is it better to wait and use it if you think you are starting to feel some sides.

speaking of sides what could i encounter on this cycle if i see any at all. my last cycle i was fine but when i started my pct i got acne and hair growth on my back.

thanks guys

[sfour_tay]

scratch that about buying just the needles. found some.

[sfour_tay]

so i will be getting 20cc of eq and 20 cc of test e next week.

obviously i will have more tha 14 weeks of both.

here is what i have been pondering.

either run 600mg a week of eq with 300-400 mg of test e for longer than 14 weeks ( untill i finish all the gear, but not sure how safe this is since i would be running 1kmg a week for over 3 months)

or just bump the dosage up and run it for 12-14 weeks and then just end it there.

as for the winnie if i do 1cc ed i will only have enough for 3 weeks and would be using 350mg a week that on top of 1kmg of other stuff would put me at 1350mg which seems pretty high.

would running 25mg of winnie ed for 6 weeks work or is the dosage too low?

i have already spent more than i intended which is fine as long as i do it right and safe but i deff dont have the money for more winnie.

thanks

EC

[peachfuzz]

How many mg is your test?

[peachfuzz]

And for the winny you said you have 40cc. If you do 1cc/day thats 5.7weeks not 3 weeks.

[peachfuzz]

You have more then enough equipoise for 2 cycles. I would have got more test instead of equipoise.

It should look something like this

week 1-14
eq-600mg/week (you can up this if you want but id advise bumping the test)
* split this up into two shots per week

week 1-15
test-200 or 250mg/week
* shoot with the EQ on the same day every week

week 12-17
winstrol -50mg ed

week 18-21
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolvadex 20/20/20/20

if you plan on using hcg i suggest using throughout cycle in small doses.

To answer your question on how long you can run equipoise you can run it as long as you like. Personally i dont like going past 16 weeks or over 600mg a week as i become very sluggish (probably do to rbc). This is only personal preference tho.

[sfour_tay]

i beleive the test is 200mg
what do you think about runing the eq at 600mg per week for 19 weeks and runing the test at 400mg a week for 20 weeks ?

and winstrol for the last 5.7 weeks



if i run it this long do i increase my chances of sides?


what are some of the comon sides that people see when using eq and or test ?

thanks

[Anabolios]

I LOVE the idea of a high dose of EQ with a maintenance dose of test in there. Just drink the winny @ 50mg/daily. .5ml EOD would put you at 600mg weekly..why not do 1cc of the EQ with 100mg of test every 3.5 days. I like this cycle you should be able to lean out and make some very keepable gains!

[Anabolios]

i beleive the test is 200mg
what do you think about runing the eq at 600mg per week for 19 weeks and runing the test at 400mg a week for 20 weeks ?

and winstrol for the last 5.7 weeks



if i run it this long do i increase my chances of sides?


what are some of the comon sides that people see when using eq and or test ?

thanks

Little long for the test but people do it with no problem. EQ min 14 weeks as earlier stated.

[sfour_tay]

im excited about it. i want to make sure i am ready for this cycle. my last i wasnt conditioned enough and it was kinda a waste.


im want to run ameridex just to be safe. whats an good dose. i ran it last cycle i think ed 1cc

[sfour_tay]

i know you can mix oils and inject them together. im a little nervious about shootingg 2 ccs as far as the break down and absorbtion of the oils.


i have read that most of the pain is due to oil being trapped.
i learned its good to use a heating pads and running the shot under hot water

i was only injecting 1.5 ccs and it was pretty tight a couple days after

[peachfuzz]

i beleive the test is 200mg
what do you think about runing the eq at 600mg per week for 19 weeks and runing the test at 400mg a week for 20 weeks ?

and winstrol for the last 5.7 weeks

thats fine. a little long without HCG in my opinion but not terrible. remember you have two weeks clearance time after last shot of test and you want the winny to be run through those two weeks up untill post cycle.


if i run it this long do i increase my chances of sides?

not really just makes recovery a little harder.

what are some of the comon sides that people see when using eq and or test ?

well test can produce about every side there is but under 500mg a week a doubt youll run into any problems. just have an AI and a SERM on hand.

thanks

im want to run ameridex just to be safe. whats an good dose. i ran it last cycle i think ed 1cc

.25mg ED or .5mg EOD

i know you can mix oils and inject them together. im a little nervious about shootingg 2 ccs as far as the break down and absorbtion of the oils.

the oils will break down and absorb fine. you should have no problem with 2cc in glutes or quads and with delts you can easily work your way to 2cc comfortably

i have read that most of the pain is due to oil being trapped.
i learned its good to use a heating pads and running the shot under hot water

i was only injecting 1.5 ccs and it was pretty tight a couple days after

there are some good stickies and educational threads on injection technique, reducing pain and so on. give them a look.

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[sfour_tay]

you da man!!

my last question is something ive been trying to research on my own but im still a little fuzzy.

im trying to understand more about hcg and other pct sups. i am confused as to how ot determine what sup is best to use for a certain cycle. i know some is personal prefrence but im just a little confused.

is ameridex a hcg ?

is it better to use dex right off the bat at .25mg ed or wait till you think your starting to see sides ?

i have been reading like a mad man and im learning alot but im still confused as to how one would go about determining weather a certain pct chem would work better than an other for a certain type of gear.


thank again for all the help. i ordered the steroid bible so it should be here soon and hopefully i will gain more from that.

ps has any one ever herd of some one running a winstrol cycle in the middle of there cycle instead of at the start or the end. just curious because my birth day is right in the middle of this thread and i know it sounds kinda dumb but i would love to look shreeded for the big day. just a stupid thought, feel free to shoot it down. i would rather do something right and be safe and effective than to do it to soon just for my ego.

thanks guys
EC

[sfour_tay]

.25mg ED or .5mg EOD



....

i have been looking for these stickies and threads and only really find some newbies complaining about pain.

are there any threads that you know of that you would be able ot direct me to

thanks
EC

[peachfuzz]

you da man!!

my last question is something ive been trying to research on my own but im still a little fuzzy.

im trying to understand more about hcg and other pct sups. i am confused as to how ot determine what sup is best to use for a certain cycle. i know some is personal prefrence but im just a little confused.

is ameridex a hcg ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_c...c_gonadotropin


Here is what I feel is an excellent write-up on HCG use. There are a million different protocols and some prefer other methods but this is what i believe to be the most effective.

Swale's HCG advice


Swale's HCG advice

by swale (MD / hrt specailist). originally posted at ************

I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid -induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn't enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn't mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex , is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERMs at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel , or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a "bridge". Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can't "fool" the body? it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground?and we don?t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other


JC: Dr. John has updated the original paper you published. Here it is:

My New HCG Protocol Paper
This paper is about to be published in The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine 2004 Clinical Updates:

AN UPDATE TO THE CRISLER HCG PROTOCOL

By John Crisler, DO

In my paper “My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men”, published in A4M’s 2004/5 Anti-Aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows, along with a new improvement I wish to share:

Any physician who administers TRT will, within the first few months of doing so, field complaints from their patients because they are now experiencing troubling testicular atrophy. Irrespective of the numerous and abundant benefits of TRT, men never enjoy seeing their genitals shrinking! Testicular atrophy occurs because the depressed LH level, secondary to the HPTA suppression TRT induces, no longer supports them. It is well known that HCG—a Luteinizing Hormone (LH) analog—will effectively, and dramatically, restore the testicles to previous form and function. It accomplishes this due to shared moiety between the alpha subunits of both hormones.

So, that satisfies an aesthetic consideration which should not be ignored. Now let’s delve into the pharmacodynamics of the TRT medications. For those employing injectable
testosterone cypionate , the cypionate ester provides a 5-8 day half-life, depending upon the specific metabolism, activity level, and overall health of the patient. It is now well-established that appropriate TRT using IM injections must be dosed at weekly intervals, in order to avoid seating the patient on a hormonal, and emotional, roller coaster. Adding in some HCG toward the end of the weekly “cycle” compensates for the drop in serum androgen levels by the half-life of the cypionate ester. Certainly the body thrives on regularity, and supplementing the TRT with endogenous testosterone production at just the right time—without inappropriately raising androgen OR estrogen (more on that later)—approximates the excellent performance stability of transdermal testosterone delivery systems for those who, for whatever reason or reasons, prefer test cyp.

But there’s another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones, glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of lowered testosterone levels , commensurate increases in LH production would serve to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or even partially, HPTA-suppressed.

It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their IM shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

I made this change after realizing that the previous HCG protocol was boosting serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise, approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of supporting serum androgen levels with HCG had overshot its mark.

Those TRT patients who prefer a transdermal testosterone, or even testosterone pellets (although I am not in favor of same), take their HCG every third day. They needn’t concern themselves with diminishing serum androgen levels from their testosterone delivery system. These patients will, of course, notice an increase in serum androgen levels above baseline.

While HCG, as sole TRT, is still considered treatment of choice for hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism by many , my experience is that it just does not bring the same subjective benefits as pure testosterone delivery systems do—even when similar serum androgen levels are produced from comparable baseline values. However, supplementing the more “traditional” TRT of transdermal, or injected, testosterone with HCG stabilizes serum levels, prevents testicular atrophy, helps rebalance expression of other hormones, and brings reports of greatly increased sense of well-being and libido. My patients absolutely love it. As time goes on, we are coming to appreciate HCG as a much more powerful--and wonderful--hormone than previously given credit.

Copyright John Crisler, DO 2004. This article may, in its entirety or in part, be reprinted and republished without permission, provided that credit is given to its author, with copyright notice and 2. www.AllThingsMale.com clearly displayed as source. Written permission from Dr. Crisler is required for all other uses.

is it better to use dex right off the bat at .25mg ed or wait till you think your starting to see sides ?

again down to personal preference. if you are not prone to estrogenic side effects and your bodyfat is low then just employ if needed. if your a better safe then sorry kind of guy then the doses i listed can be ran throughout.

i have been reading like a mad man and im learning alot but im still confused as to how one would go about determining weather a certain pct chem would work better than an other for a certain type of gear.

Post cycle drugs dont change depending on what you run. IMO the traditional clomid/nolva combo should be the base of any post cycle. the addition of aromasin or HCG is again down to preference.

thank again for all the help. i ordered the steroid bible so it should be here soon and hopefully i will gain more from that.

ps has any one ever herd of some one running a winstrol cycle in the middle of there cycle instead of at the start or the end. just curious because my birth day is right in the middle of this thread and i know it sounds kinda dumb but i would love to look shreeded for the big day. just a stupid thought, feel free to shoot it down. i would rather do something right and be safe and effective than to do it to soon just for my ego.

thanks guys
EC

you can run it whenever you want but the two weeks after your last injection are hell from my experience. you feel like crap as test levels drop but you cant begin post cycle either.

i have been looking for these stickies and threads and only really find some newbies complaining about pain.

are there any threads that you know of that you would be able ot direct me to

thanks
EC

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1272
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4177202
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=358617

[sfour_tay]

so why go for 2 weeks instead of 1 ??
so i shouldnt be taking any sups for those 2 weeks even dex?

[peachfuzz]

are you asking why wait two weeks before starting your post cycle?

[sfour_tay]

yes. from what i gathered from research is your suposto wait a week after your last shot. is this because you want to make sure that the gear is out of your system or that your levels have began to drop??

ps fuzz i sent you a pm

thanks
E

[sfour_tay]

also what are the pros and cons of using Letrozole over ldex??

[peachfuzz]

yes. from what i gathered from research is your suposto wait a week after your last shot. is this because you want to make sure that the gear is out of your system or that your levels have began to drop??

ps fuzz i sent you a pm

thanks
E

you are somewhat correct but with Test E and EQ the active life is around 14 days so you need to wait 2 weeks before starting post cycle. winny you only have to wait a day so run it while your test and EQ levels are plunging up untill post cycle. just what i prefer.

also what are the pros and cons of using Letrozole over ldex??

letro is way too strong and should only be used if absolutely neccessary. but again you should have minimal estrogen issues on this cycle. nothing adex cant cover IMO.

[Babby Grizzley]

thats 2 much poise u are wasting it the winstrol amount you have planned is fine.450-600 mg of poise is a lot,just tring 2 give u some advise equipoise is my favorite.I have been training for about 4 years now and have used eq for long periods of time.My stack now=600mg poise,200mg trend,200mg primo,50 mg winstrol tab once daily.GREAT STACK try it some time .LATER BRO

[peachfuzz]

thats 2 much poise u are wasting it the winstrol amount you have planned is fine.450-600 mg of poise is a lot,just tring 2 give u some advise equipoise is my favorite.I have been training for about 4 years now and have used eq for long periods of time.My stack now=600mg poise,200mg trend,200mg primo,50 mg winstrol tab once daily.GREAT STACK try it some time .LATER BRO

[sfour_tay]

my thoughts exactly

[sfour_tay]

whats the deal with filtering. my last gear was in ampuls and this time its just in vials.

is filtering a must or only when you dont trust the gear??

would running some clen through this cycle or twords the end be benifitial. im talking about a low dose like my 75 mg ( starting off with 20 ) and only going for 2 weeks on?

my buddy was telling me about it today and said he liked it for its fat burning capibilitys.

thanks
Ec

[sfour_tay]

bump

[sfour_tay]

also was thinking about this today.

let me know if this would be a waste of gear and time.

start the test a week or two before the test then when i finish the 20th week ill still have 2 more weeks of test to help with my levels not crashing. and maybe i would give the eq time to load up ????


idk just a thought.

i hear 5 weeks to pretty much "load up" on eq. whats the consensis about test ?

thanks
E

[sfour_tay]

bump