proviron and winstrol? need answer today!

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 01:00 PM

Ok currently one week out from my first contest...im taking oral winny 50mg per day. I have been taking it for 3 weeks.

my question is would i benefit from taking proviron for the last week? I read that some people stack it, wish i would have known this from the begining. But would one week benefit me at all?

and no i am not taking any test because i am doing this precontest, i understand that it should be taking with test, but in my scenario i am cutting to 154 and i didnt' want test to gain mess with my weight loss

im 22, 161 currently, 5-9, no cycel experience, bf%- around 5%

**Gaspari1255** · 04-18-2009, 01:25 PM

Test weight gain is all based on your diet. Not a good idea running winny w/ out test. Clen should really all you should be using at this point. I wouldn't bother with the prov.

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by ******

Test weight gain is all based on your diet. Not a good idea running winny w/ out test. Clen should really all you should be using at this point. I wouldn't bother with the prov.

Im currently running clen , T3 and ephedrin

I just talked to a couple people and it seems the proviron is a waste...ill check back on the forum later if anyone does think it will be beneficial i would need to start it tonight

**Gaspari1255** · 04-18-2009, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by chitownhoker

Im currently running clen , T3 and ephedrin

I just talked to a couple people and it seems the proviron is a waste...ill check back on the forum later if anyone does think it will be beneficial i would need to start it tonight

clen and ephedrine...why?

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by ******

clen and ephedrine...why?

im precontest.....so to loose weight

**Gaspari1255** · 04-18-2009, 02:18 PM

Overkill and unhealthy.

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 02:23 PM

overkill by what means? they hit two different receptors and for me it has been nothing but beneficial

im preping for a CONTEST, its not healthy to get down to 4-5% bodyfat but im doing that too

**BIG_TRUCK** · 04-18-2009, 02:26 PM

proviron is a poor aas & a poor anti E.

**Gaspari1255** · 04-18-2009, 02:26 PM

Good luck with your CONTEST...Don't mess with steroids when you have no idea what you're doing.

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 02:29 PM

what are you talking about!? i have plenty of aas knowledge and took the winstrol full knowing the outcome of doing it with out test....

i wasn't going to use it as an anti-e im on winstrol so i don't have to worry about aromtization

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by ******

Good luck with your CONTEST...Don't mess with steroids when you have no idea what you're doing.

where do you get the idea about me not knowing what i am doing?

**Gaspari1255** · 04-18-2009, 02:30 PM

Using gear at 160lbs? If you need AAS at 160lbs, then you should step off the stage and spend some time researching diet.

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by ******

Using gear at 160lbs? If you need AAS at 160lbs, then you should step off the stage and spend some time researching diet.

I am in a bodybuidling contest. I started at 205 and i have cut to 160 pounds at about 5% body fat. the winstrol is being used to help give me a harden look on stage.

What do you recomend that i take to give me a hardened look on stage beside an aas?

I think my diet knowledge is plentyful since i have been on this diet for 12 weeks and have lost almost 40 pounds. so apparently my diet knowledge is good enough to get me into contest shape.

**Andro9** · 04-18-2009, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by ******

Using gear at 160lbs? If you need AAS at 160lbs, then you should step off the stage and spend some time researching diet.

i think he will get a rude awakening when he actually does step out there and embarasses himself

**Gaspari1255** · 04-18-2009, 02:38 PM

Years of training is going to give you that "hard" look for on stage. You can go do multiple cycles at your weight, I could careless. But I'm telling you, I highly doubt many people are going encourage steroid use at 160lbs. You made the choice, good luck with your contest.

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Andro9

i think he will get a rude awakening when he actually does step out there and embarasses himself

ha, ill let you know when i win man, im ****ing shredded right now, like granit, so what ever i am doing, its obviously working.

go look in the bodybuidling forum i got my log up there, check back in a couple weeks, maybe ill post an embaressing photo of me with a first place trophy

why do you think ill "embaress myself"

**BIG_TRUCK** · 04-18-2009, 03:09 PM

I looked at your pictures and I think you look good.

Keep up the hard work and good luck at your contest.

Like I said, proviron is a waste of money.

**chitownhoker** · 04-18-2009, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by BIG_TRUCK

I looked at your pictures and I think you look good.

Keep up the hard work and good luck at your contest.

Like I said, proviron is a waste of money.

thanks bro!!

ya that seems to be the consensus, but it couldn't hurt to ask

**Froggy** · 04-19-2009, 06:33 AM

At your level...Proviron is a waste...But, IMO...it has its uses...

**SilverTest** · 04-19-2009, 07:15 AM

love the proviron , with test it is just awsum . plus , no dont use it for a week its a bit of a waste right now . the winstrol will take care of hardening you up .

and guys cut the guy some slack will ya , what is this idea that you SHOULD take test whatever the hell you are doing , IMHO , the only time i SHOULD take it is with real suppressive compounds that screw your ding dong like deca and shit like that, and when i simple WANT to take it.

its BEST to use some form of test always , but we dont HAVE to . its the best way but not a necessity really.

just my opinion.

**Gaspari1255** · 04-19-2009, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by SilverTest

love the proviron , with test it is just awsum . plus , no dont use it for a week its a bit of a waste right now . the winstrol will take care of hardening you up .

and guys cut the guy some slack will ya , what is this idea that you SHOULD take test whatever the hell you are doing , IMHO , the only time i SHOULD take it is with real suppressive compounds that screw your ding dong like deca and shit like that, and when i simple WANT to take it.

its BEST to use some form of test always , but we dont HAVE to . its the best way but not a necessity really.

just my opinion.

Why run a half ass cycle with minimal gains when adding just a TRT dose of test can make it a tremendous cycle?

BTW- Checked out the OPs pictures, very impressive. Good luck.

**SilverTest** · 04-19-2009, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by ******

Why run a half ass cycle with minimal gains when adding just a TRT dose of test can make it a tremendous cycle?

BTW- Checked out the OPs pictures, very impressive. Good luck.

well , i couldn't have said it better lol , yes test will make a cycle that much better.

**hankdiesel** · 04-19-2009, 07:32 AM

I assume this is not a natural contest. That leads me to believe the other contestants will be on a lot more than winny tabs. I would be concerened about muscle loss running clen /ephedrine/ and especially T3 without any test.

**chitownhoker** · 04-19-2009, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

I assume this is not a natural contest. That leads me to believe the other contestants will be on a lot more than winny tabs. I would be concerened about muscle loss running clen/ephedrine/ and especially T3 without any test.

i defeniety agree, but i couldn't get a hold of any short ester test, so either way i did what i did, it was my first experience, next time i do a comp ill be a lot smarter about it.

Part of the major reason of not taking the test even if i could have got it was i wanted to get down to 154.25; lightweight division, im sure i lost more muscle than i planned but, if i didn't do that i would be comeing in around 160-165 or so and be one of the smallest in the next weight class up; middle weight...and i like to win, not just compete so i made the choice to do winny only, and my dick is paying the price, alonge with all the hard work to gain that muscle, but you gota do what you gota do to win!!

appreciate all the quick feedback, this board is great!

**british bulldog 1** · 04-19-2009, 12:08 PM

you dont run winny without test............basic rule dude.

**chitownhoker** · 04-19-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by british bulldog 1

you dont run winny without test............basic rule dude.

well i did, and im still here.....i think i explained myself in an earlier post.....its understood that its not a good idea....but you can still do it.

and thanks for repeating what 5 other people already said in this thread

**Gaspari1255** · 04-19-2009, 01:09 PM

yaaa the OP gets the point lol...And to the op- after this contest, I would bulk to about 180-185 and just hit something like Prop/Var/Winny...you'd look ridiculous.

**chitownhoker** · 04-19-2009, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by ******

yaaa the OP gets the point lol...And to the op- after this contest, I would bulk to about 180-185 and just hit something like Prop/Var/Winny...you'd look ridiculous.

thats kind of the plan...everyone says you grow crazy fast for the first 6 weeks after a comp. I figure ill put on 10 pounds right after just from fat, which will put me at 170, then 1800 or so over the next two months is possible. So about 2 months after im going to start just a strait test e cycle, low dose around 250-300 per week for about 14-15 weeks

the low dose is just to be on the safe side to see how i react and such

***FireGuy*** · 04-19-2009, 05:44 PM

Chi, please dont listen to half these fools in here. They obviously do not realize that standard protocols do not apply pre-contest.

***FireGuy*** · 04-19-2009, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Andro9

i think he will get a rude awakening when he actually does step out there and embarasses himself

You dont think there are some bad ass lightweights in the under 154? Have you ever stepped on stage? If not please save the flaming for yourself.

***FireGuy*** · 04-19-2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by british bulldog 1

you dont run winny without test............basic rule dude.

You are among the clueless as well, he is 7 days out from a show.

***FireGuy*** · 04-19-2009, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by ******

Using gear at 160lbs? If you need AAS at 160lbs, then you should step off the stage and spend some time researching diet.

75% of the guys on this board would be his weight too if they were as lean.

**chitownhoker** · 04-20-2009, 09:45 AM

[QUOTE=FireGuy1;4573591]Chi, please dont listen to half these fools in here. They obviously do not realize that standard protocols do not apply pre-contest.[/QUOT

hey fireguy! thanks for backing me up here!