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    Seeking advice on planned Cycle after long Hiatus

    Seeking advice/feedback from vets on this planned cycle.
    Here is my history: After a long 6 year hiatus I started seriously working out again this year. 6 yrs ago when I did my first cycle, I was 30 YO; 5'6 and very skinny at 125 lbs. in 16 weeks I went up to a very toned 150 lbs on
    AD50/ Deca / Sust 250 Combo.

    Basked in my new found attention and slowly but surely started slacking on Gym. Last 3 years I've been inconsistent with working out.
    Poor diet. Lost muscle gained fat. etc..
    Dec 2008 167 lbs 16% body fat.

    Last 4 months have been working out hard.
    6 days a week. (3 strength / 3 cardio.)
    Balanced high protein Diet.
    Supplementing Hydroxadrine, L-Caritine & Colleus Forskolii.
    Lost fat gained muscle.
    Today: 5'6 157 lbs between 12% -13% body fat.

    My goal this time around is some size with good definition.
    Gain 10 to 15 lbs well defined.
    The 300 Spartan definition with maybe just a little more size.

    The tools at my disposal:
    Deca 400mg 10 ml . Sust 250mg 10 ml. Winni 50 mg 20 ml.
    PCT:
    120 tabs Proviron 25mg, 120 tabs Nolva 20 mg, HCG 10,000 IU.
    And 20 Arimidex 1mg tabs on way just in case I need it.

    This is my planned Cycle:

    Week 1: Deca 200 /Sust 250
    Week 2: Deca 200 / Sust 250
    Week 3: Deca 300 /Sust 250
    Week 4: Deca 400 /Sust 500
    Week 5: Deca 400 / Sust 500 /Proviron 50mg ED
    Week 6: Deca 300 / Sust 250 / Winnie 50 EOD /Proviron 50mg ED
    Week 7: Deca 300 / Sust 250 / Winnie 50 EOD /Proviron 50mg ED
    Week 8: Deca 200 / Sust 250 / Winnie 50 EOD /Proviron 50mg ED
    Week 9: Winnie 50 EOD /Proviron 50mg ED / Nolva 100mg ED / HCG 2500 iu
    Week 10: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 80mg ED / HCG 2500 iu
    Week 11: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 60mg ED / HCG 2500 iu
    Week 12: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 40mg ED / HCG 2500 iu
    Week 13: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 40mg ED
    Week 14: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 15: Proviron 25mg ED
    Week 16: Proviron 25mg ED

    Please advise or make recomendations.

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    I advise you don't do it. Workout commitment aside, there are so many things in the cycle I would change... I mean, if you can't see that then some time researching is in order.

    I don't see that you need all that to reach your goal of 10-15 more pounds anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErnstHatAngst View Post
    I advise you don't do it. Workout commitment aside, there are so many things in the cycle I would change... I mean, if you can't see that then some time researching is in order.

    I don't see that you need all that to reach your goal of 10-15 more pounds anyway.

    Thanks for the feedback.
    Work out commitment: I currently go 6 days a week.
    Have been for 4 months now in order to lose fat and increase LBM ratio.
    I would of course cut back on the cardio once on cycle.

    Last cycle I did was similar but I did AD50 first two weeks and no Winnie.
    After the first cycle I maintained 145 lbs well defined for 2 yrs after.

    What specifically would you change and why?
    PCT? Stacking order or amount? Please specify
    and explain why so I understand the reasoning.
    I thank you for your feedback. Your input is much appreciated.

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    How about not pyramiding dosages.
    Run Deca 400/Sust 500 the entire cycle.
    Run these a min of 10 weeks, better run at 12. Proviron can be run up until the day before PCT. Use HCG between last injection and prior to PCT and run nolva for 4-6 weeks at 20mgs ed (no higher than 40mgs)?

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    I would want you to be back in the gym a solid year before you start cycling again. that being said, your cycle needs completely reworked, especially the pyramiding of doses. Pick one dose and stick with it throughout the entire cylce

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    what were your previous cycles, lengths , dosages

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    Thank you for taking this time and giving me feedback.
    I greatly appreciate the advice.

    Last Cycle was 6 yrs ago.
    I had been working out solid strength training for 5 months prior to gearing up on that cycle.

    Week 1 -10 Test400 400mg W
    Week 1 -10 Deca 200 400mg W
    1 week after last injection started PCT:
    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
    Day 2 - 11 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
    Day 12 - 21 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

    Went from athletic but skinny 125 lbs to slighty bulky but toned 157 lbs.
    Went back down to 145 lbs after and kept for 2 yrs. Very toned look then after some water loss. To this day I still have some of those gains plus some fat I still am working off. Since January I have lost 2% to 3 % body fat and have increased muscle naturally through dieting and training. But I wish to look great for the summer.

    I have spent hours reading material in order to get it right.
    There is some room for variation but the general consensus seems to be:

    High Deca at the beggining and end two weeks before Sust.
    (Not sure I want to use more Deca than that)
    Run Sust at 500 a week.
    I did not want to go more than 10 weeks on, but can go to 12 if that works better.
    Concerned that if I go longer my normal HTPA will take longer to recover as well.

    Use HCG and Proviron while on Cycle not PCT

    Use Nolva or Clomid PCT. ( I only have Nolva though)
    Can I get away with using more Nolva or is it essential I have Clomid as well?

    What about Arimidex ? Should I save that for PCT in case I need it?
    I read it helps to hastens HTPA function after cycle b/c of A I in conjuction with Nolva.
    Since the Proviron is working as an AI during cycle will it make more sense to use the Arimidex during PCT or is that overkill?

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