advice on this cycle please

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 03:38 PM

I am trying a cycle from steroids .com. It is the intermediate level 3 cycle. I have done a few cycles before but not to this level.
It goes like this:
12 wks Test @500mg/week
12 wks EQ @400mg/week
4 wks D-bol @ 25mg/day or 175mg/week
the last 4 wks of the cycle 50mg/day anavar or winny
.5mg Arimidex for the entire cycle
My question:
Can I use Tren instead of winny or anavar as my cutting agent? Friends say it will work as good or better.
Can I take 600mg/week of EQ for better results? I read that the jump from 400 to 600 makes a great difference.
Can I take this cycle for only 8 weeks then when finished get onto a kit of GH?
If I do this cycle for only 8 weeks is there anything in this cylce I should increase or decrease due to the shortened time frame?

***D7M*** · 05-17-2009, 03:40 PM

wow. slow down with the compounds there...

what are your stats?
age?
height?
weight?
bf?
pct?
cycle experience?

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 04:03 PM

age: 32 Height: 6'3" Weight: 220lbs. BF: approx. 15-17% PCT: arimidex or nolvadex
Cycle Experience: I have done a test and deca cycle, a tren cycle all by itself and back in the day some pro hormones(superdrol). I have achieved some ok results from my past cycles but I am looking for better results. The info about this cycle says it will produce strength as well as size and will produce a nice hard look. They call it a lean bulking cycle.

**WARMachine** · 05-17-2009, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by dave325es

age: 32 height: 6'3" weight: 220lbs. Bf: Approx. 15-17%

that bf% is too high to cycle brutha.

pct: Arimidex or nolvadex bad bad bad pct bro...

cycle experience: I have done a test and deca cycle, a tren cycle all by itself and back in the day some pro hormones(superdrol). I have achieved some ok results from my past cycles but i am looking for better results. The info about this cycle says it will produce strength as well as size and will produce a nice hard look. They call it a lean bulking cycle.

bolds

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 04:18 PM

what do you mean by BF is too high to start a cycle? I should diet down before I start a cycle?
Why is arimidex or nolvadex a bad option for a PCT? I aslo have some HCG that I could use.

**fresh31** · 05-17-2009, 04:29 PM

if your using adex during cycle you wont need it for pct, most people would run nolva+clomid for pct. From what I've read winny doesn't do anything unless your about 10% bf or less. the higher your bf the more likely you are to get bad sides...

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 04:36 PM

Ok so if I am using tren instead of the winny I might get better results. My friends that are competitive b.b. tell me tren is better than the winny for me to get a hardened look.

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 04:37 PM

My other concern is that I searched on the web and now I am finding mixed reviews about the brand I purchased. SOme say it is fake depending on the batch number some older reviews say it is a great test. Any way of knowing if a particular brand is fake?

**WARMachine** · 05-17-2009, 04:38 PM

^ Lol...

yeah but thats not a good idea if your BF% is still that high.

And Nolvadex is a cornerstone of any good PCT. Adex is not. And you need another SERM like Clomid or Toremifine

**WARMachine** · 05-17-2009, 04:39 PM

EDIT THAT POST WITH THE LAB NAMES BUD.

We dont discuss prices or labs here.

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 04:47 PM

Sorry about that, new member here. Including the Adex throughout the cycle should keep aromitization to estrogen to a minimum, right? Then use the nolva and clomid at the end as a pct?

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 05:49 PM

I I use the clomid+nolva as my PCT what amounts should I be using??

**shadow21** · 05-17-2009, 05:54 PM

I personally dont think your ready for a cycle like this if you have all these questions still..

**WARMachine** · 05-17-2009, 05:56 PM

Read my sticky at the top of this section DAVE.

Itll inform you...

**busaboy27** · 05-17-2009, 06:11 PM

i think this is a common missunderstanding to people.. when they talk about leaning out and cutting in a steroid sense.. it cuts water.. dries you out.. not burn fat. u burn fat from working out... its not the actual steroid doing it... so if you want to lose weight(fat) change your diet.. winny will do nothing for youif body fat over 10%. eq does nothing for me. i said in another post i used the full bottles to wedge open my windows for a breeze.. looking at your previous cycles-u didnt do them correct to get the full potential. if your gonna cycle keep it simple and get a diet. adding all those compounds wont change a think

**WARMachine** · 05-17-2009, 06:12 PM

^ Damn straight!

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 06:23 PM

thanks for the info. I am trying to get all the information I can before starting. I have been training for 14 years started at 270lbs and 30% bf. At my best I was at 201lbs. 9%bf. I am starting the diet at the same time as this cycle. I have been juice free up until about a year or so ago. Now I want to get bigger but not just a bulky bigger. I am hoping to gain maybe 7 to 10lbs. but lean muscle mass not just water retention or fat.

**busaboy27** · 05-17-2009, 06:29 PM

why dont you start the diet now.. and run with that for a month or so or more... see what comes of that.. the leaner you are the more you will see happening. u can easily gain 7-10 pounds by doing test alone and doing it right.. and a pct to help you keep those gains..u should scratch that whole cycle stack u got there... keep it simple..

come to think of it u can gain 7-10 pounds in 16 weeks naturally.. the length of a long cycle

**dave325es** · 05-17-2009, 06:44 PM

thats a good idea. As I said before after all the years of training juice free and trying a variety of supplements and diets I am ready for the real deal. I am religious with going to the gym and training to the max 6 days a week but I have definitely hit my plateau a few years ago. Now I want more than I have been able to achieve naturally.

any ideas about gh?