do you inject test by knowing your levels or do you just guess

[ninesecz]

just started TRT and had a question..

when you guys do a cycle that includes test do you just pick a number (I.E. 350mg wk) or do you base your injections on what your natural levels are??

Just curious because if you are a person that has a low test level (around 300) and you inject 250mg EW you would not really be getting any better gains that someone who is all natural and has a test level naturally of 800-900

I know no matter what gains are going to be made. just thinking that if you knew your levels before hand you could plan your cycles to have a test level of 1500-2000 at all times instead of maybe having levels no higher than someone out there who is not even "on"

Just wondering because I am on TRT and my levels are 260 and I am going to try and wait 6 months and get 3-4 vial stacked up. I will know what my levels are and right after my blood work I am going to do a 8 weeker and keep my levels Double + of what the test shows

[WARMachine]

You are confused bro.

On average, healthy young men produce about 7 mg of testosterone a day. ...
Nobody has a natural test level of 800mgs a week.

[Phate]

You are confused bro.

On average, healthy young men produce about 7 mg of testosterone a day. ...
Nobody has a natural test level of 800mgs a week.

7mg? i thought it was higher than that? any studies bro?

[WARMachine]

Ive seen numbers as low as 3.7 +- 2.2 mg/day up to 7 mg/day on average as well as ranges like 3-7 mg/day or 3-10 mg/day.


"The testes produce testosterone regulated by a complex chain of signals that begins in the brain. This chain is called the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis. The hypothalamus secretes gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) to the pituitary gland in carefully timed pulses (bursts), which triggers the secretion of leutenizing hormone (lh - leutenizing hormone - ) from the pituitary gland. Leutenizing hormone stimulates the Leydig cells of the testes to produce testosterone. Normally, the testes produce 4–7 milligrams (mg) of testosterone daily."

So when i said young healthy males, i was actually quoting on the high side.

[Phate]

Ive seen numbers as low as 3.7 +- 2.2 mg/day up to 7 mg/day on average as well as ranges like 3-7 mg/day or 3-10 mg/day.


"The testes produce testosterone regulated by a complex chain of signals that begins in the brain. This chain is called the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis. The hypothalamus secretes gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) to the pituitary gland in carefully timed pulses (bursts), which triggers the secretion of leutenizing hormone (lh - leutenizing hormone - ) from the pituitary gland. Leutenizing hormone stimulates the Leydig cells of the testes to produce testosterone. Normally, the testes produce 4–7 milligrams (mg) of testosterone daily."

So when i said young healthy males, i was actually quoting on the high side.

interesting....i'll have to look into this more

[JiGGaMaN]

interesting....i'll have to look into this more

i can vouch for him as well. mean test levels are ~5mg/day, which is why androgel is dosed the way it is.

[Phate]

i can vouch for him as well. mean test levels are ~5mg/day, which is why androgel is dosed the way it is.

i don't doubt him, or you for that matter, just interesting to me because of the way cyp/enth is dosed in trt

[WARMachine]

^ Exactly.

Well, Androgel is dosed in G's, but since it you only receive 1%, it averages properly.

Im positive Phate. But by all means, find us some studies. Good references to have.

[WARMachine]

i don't doubt him, or you for that matter, just interesting to me because of the way cyp/enth is dosed in trt

Well, ive looked into it for me personally, and the doc wanted to give me a 100mg injection once a week.

I was like WTF? lol

The point being was just that, TRT doses are often over dosed.

[JiGGaMaN]

i don't doubt him, or you for that matter, just interesting to me because of the way cyp/enth is dosed in trt

yeah, it will put you in the higher end. standard is 100mg/wk -> 70mg hormone -> ~10mg/day, then include a waste factor etc and you are just a bit higher. its just some hrt docs are pretty liberal with their scripting. my box says 100mg ever 1-4 weeks.

[WARMachine]

^ Lol @ saying the same thing i just did...

[Phate]

Well, ive looked into it for me personally, and the doc wanted to give me a 100mg injection once a week.

I was like WTF? lol

The point being was just that, TRT doses are often over dosed.

yeah, it will put you in the higher end. standard is 100mg/wk -> 70mg hormone -> ~10mg/day, then include a waste factor etc and you are just a bit higher. its just some hrt docs are pretty liberal with their scripting. my box says 100mg ever 1-4 weeks.

that sounds better than, i'm going to have to do a conversion tonight from ng/dL to mg/dL and then from there to whatever i want

i know deuce is running 250mg/wk for a trt dose, but i take it that's self dosed

[Papa Smurf]

War and Phate..... Im curious about this as well and just as confussed.

At 47 years of age, 200mg ew cyp puts me at normal test levels per my doc.
He doesnt share my numbers with me, but over a year now we have setteled at 200mg and its workin.(wish i could be more tech. here sorry)

So, Im thinkin my current cycle of 500mg cyp/300mg deca ew would not be as effective on me as it would on a younger man with normal test levels without TRT if he were taken the same dose.
Im thinkin I would have ta do 700mg of cyp to get the same results.
Please help me understand this. I may want to up my cyp on this cycle.

[JiGGaMaN]

^ Lol @ saying the same thing i just did...

i said it before you did. dont be stealin my credit or ill make your laptop disappeared again.

[WARMachine]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phate
i don't doubt him, or you for that matter, just interesting to me because of the way cyp/enth is dosed in trt

yeah, it will put you in the higher end. standard is 100mg/wk -> 70mg hormone -> ~10mg/day, then include a waste factor etc and you are just a bit higher. its just some hrt docs are pretty liberal with their scripting. my box says 100mg ever 1-4 weeks.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phate
i don't doubt him, or you for that matter, just interesting to me because of the way cyp/enth is dosed in trt

Well, ive looked into it for me personally, and the doc wanted to give me a 100mg injection once a week.

I was like WTF? lol

The point being was just that, TRT doses are often over dosed.

i said it before you did. dont be stealin my credit or ill make your laptop disappeared again.

Ill make YOU disappear!

[bjpennnn]

so even a dose of 250mg a week of lets say prob is higher then your body makes?