1st Cycle Winny (Stanabol)

**waterfalls11** · 06-02-2009, 07:23 AM

Hi,

I am about to start my 1st cycle and thought I'd share my experience with anyone looking to do the same. Firstly let me say that I am serious about bodybuilding and have been lifting now for nearly 4 years. I have sorted my diet and fully researched many different steroids and side so I have not taken this decision lightly. I am 27 years old, 6ft and weigh in at a hefty 12 stone... well perhaps not that hefty ha ha!

In the last 3 years I have put on 2 stone and I am naturally quite skinny. Unfortunately over the past 6 months my gains have tailed of and I am stuck in a bit of a rut. I really enjoy lifting and the buzz it gives me and got into it as a way of getting of class A drugs which were screwing up my life at the time. Now I am looking to push on a bit further!

My 1st Cycle:

30mg Winstrol everyday for 4 weeks.

I will be taking every precaution to protect my liver even though it is a small and very short cycle but this is just a trial and I am not expecting to become Arnie overnight, or ever in fact. So I am also taking Liv-52 for liver protection, Glucosamine Sulphate and cod liver oil (for joints), plenty of Cranberry juice (again for liver), and the usual multivits.

I will also be taking Pro-v's from the 14th day for 21 days.

As for PCT... there will be none. 'There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback' sourced from http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catwinstrol.htm among other places.

I am doing this cycle purely as a test to put my mind at rest before I try and source a test cycle. Also Winny was all I could source because I have always worked out at home so don't have many friends who are interested in bodybuilding although I think I still would have opted for a simple oral cycle for a 1st time tester.

My workout plan is as follows:

Mon - Chest & Abs

1- Bench Press Flat - 10 warm up, 10,8,6
1- Crunches Weighted - 25,25,25
2- Bench Press Decline - 10,8
2- Decline Crunches Weighted - 25,25,25
3- Bench Press Incline - 8,8
3- Leg Raises - 25,25,25
4- Dumbell Flyes Incline - 10,8,6
Finally For a good stretch...
5- Dumbell Pullovers 10,8,6

Tue - Back and Shoulders

1- Deadlift - 10 warm up, 10,8,8,6
1- Lateral Raises 10,8,6
2- Military Press 10,8,6
2- Bent Over 1 Arm Rows 10,8,6
3- Shrugs 10,8,6
For final stretch...
4- Supermen on floor or Back Hyper Extensions

Wed - Off (Cardio Biking)

Thu - Legs and Abs

1- Squats 10 warm up, 10,8,8,6
1- Leg Raises 25,25,25
2- Calf Rasies 20,18,15
2- Crunches Weighted 25,25,25
3- Leg Curls 15,12,10
3- Decline Crunches Weighted 25,25,25
4- Leg Extensions 18-15-12
For Stretching
4- Lunges with light weights

Fri - Biceps & Triceps

1- Barbell Curls EZ Bar 10,8,8,6
1- Dips 10,10,10
2- Decline Tricep Extensions 10,8,6,6
2- Dumbell Curl With Twist 10,8,6
3- Preacher Curls 10,8,6,6
3- Overhead Tricep Extensions 10,8,6
4- Tricep Pulldowns 10,10,10
4- Hammer Curls Light 10,10,10
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Any advice or help on this cycle or my next planned test cycle would be greatly appreciated. Please don't just tell me a Winstrol cycle only is pointless or a waste of money as I have read lots of the advise in previous threads and found it very helpful but also decided upon this oral cycle as a starting point.

Thanks in advance for any help given... I will keep the post updated with my progress for anyone looking at doing a similar starting cycle.

**tboney** · 06-02-2009, 07:53 AM

Its good to know that you are taking the time to research! However you need to continue with that before you start a cycle. If you do more research you will quickly discover that it is not a good idea to run winstrol alone. You need to have some test in your cycle. A first cycle of test e by itself would be a much better cycle!

**sigman roid** · 06-02-2009, 07:56 AM

agreed X2^^^^

**busaboy27** · 06-02-2009, 07:59 AM

best bet is a test only cycle.... only.. after you get a pct together...

**Big** · 06-02-2009, 08:01 AM

Your diet is sub-par, winny only is an awful idea, and of course pct is needed after a winny only cycle.

**waterfalls11** · 06-02-2009, 08:13 AM

Thanks for the replys. The reason for the winny only 1st cycle was 1st as a tester and also because it is all I can get. I have read a lot of posts suggesting a 1st cycle of test and I believe them and would be fine with that but I would rather do Winny than nothing as I am now at the stage where I want to push things forward after sorting my diet and training.

Any advice is appreciated...

**Reed** · 06-02-2009, 08:17 AM

They already gave you the best advice

You say your serious so you need to wait if you are.

30mg of winstrol is got gonna provide gains worth the shut down IMO.

Since your serious head down to the diet thread and work on that. Its obviously diet that needs to be tweaked

**waterfalls11** · 06-02-2009, 08:26 AM

Is it really that bad???

6.30am Meal 1 Upon Waking

Very large bowl of ready oats mixed with 1 ½ scoops protein shake
(when I say big I mean overflowing the bowl)
Piece of fruit
Portion of Walnuts

7:45am Meal 2

3 large egg whites
1 cup fruit juice
1 apple

9:00 Meal 3

1 wholemeal sandwich
½ pint milk

10:00 Pre-workout

1 banana
Pre-workout supplement shake (NO Xplode, Superdump, etc…)

Workout 10:30 – 11:30

11:45 Meal 4

Post Workout Protein Shake
Large bowl of wholemeal pasta
1 large chicken breast

2:00 Meal/snack 5

1 Low fat yoghurt
Cereal wholegrain

4:30 Meal 6 Dinner

Large serving of wholemeal Pasta/Rice/cous cous/ occasionally jacket potato (no butter)
1 large chicken breast/steak/pork
1-2 portions veg

6:30 Meal/snack 7

Small Bowl of cereal
1 peanut butter sandwich

8:30 Meal 8

Large bowl of protein shake cereal

9:30 Off to bed for 8 hours sleep

***T-MOS*** · 06-02-2009, 08:29 AM

First , at 6' and ONLY 168, you are NOT ready for steroids .

You should be able to get to and maintain 210 lbs NATURALLY. If you can not maintain your natural potential , then you will not be keeping any of the gains you may make off of your cycle.

Get your diet worked out and gain 40 lbs naturally before you ever start taking steroids or you will be wasting your time and money.

I think its funny that you get your information from another board then come here asking for advice as long as its not what you don't want to hear.

Why not get your advice from the board where you got your poor information from??

The profile you read said nothing about how Winny IS going to SHUT DOWN your natural testosterone production. So your body is going to be without the one hormone that really makes you a man!! NOT GOOD !!

PCT is most certainly needed IF you expect your body to restart production of testosterone.

30 mgs /ED for only 4 weeks is NOT gonna do much good for you at all whether you want us to tell you or not. But it will be enough to screw with your HPTA.

I will stop there...let us know if you have any interest in doing this correctly and we will be glad to help. If you choose to continue on your own path, well, then ...GOOD LUCK but please don't come crying when you have all kinds of libido and erection issues.

GOOD LUCK

***T-MOS*** · 06-02-2009, 08:30 AM

Yes your diet sucks for your goals, that is why you are not gaining any weight !!

**Reed** · 06-02-2009, 08:30 AM

Yes that diet is pretty bad. Whole meat sandwiches

You need to be eating 6-8oz of some type of meat so you know the portions, turkey, red meat, chicken, etc

And your carb sources are not smart. Sweet potatos, red potatos, brown rice, oats, etc

Cereal and PB sand is not a complete meal

**tboney** · 06-02-2009, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

First , at 6' and ONLY 168, you are NOT ready for steroids .

You should be able to get to and maintain 210 lbs NATURALLY. If you can not maintain your natural potential , then you will not be keeping any of the gains you may make off of your cycle.

Get your diet worked out and gain 40 lbs naturally before you ever start taking steroids or you will be wasting your time and money.

I think its funny that you get your information from another board then come here asking for advice as long as its not what you don't want to hear.

Why not get your advice from the board where you got your poor information from??

The profile you read said nothing about how Winny IS going to SHUT DOWN your natural testosterone production. So your body is going to be without the one hormone that really makes you a man!! NOT GOOD !!

PCT is most certainly needed IF you expect your body to restart production of testosterone.

30 mgs /ED for only 4 weeks is NOT gonna do much good for you at all whether you want us to tell you or not. But it will be enough to screw with your HPTA.

I will stop there...let us know if you have any interest in doing this correctly and we will be glad to help. If you choose to continue on your own path, well, then ...GOOD LUCK but please don't come crying when you have all kinds of libido and erection issues.

GOOD LUCK

Well put!

**waterfalls11** · 06-02-2009, 08:50 AM

OK... I didn't come on here to piss you all off and if I have done then sorry but telling me what I should be able to achieve naturally and that I'm not ready for steroids is surely just you making an assumption what my genetic make up is. I know plenty of people smaller than me who eat less than me but weigh alot more and vice versa. I will not be able to put on 40 pounds in my lifetime naturally nor am I aiming for that. I want to bulk but my frame would struggle to hold another 2-3 stone. I eat as much as possible but find as I have grown over the last 4 years I have been able to eat more in tandum.

I do agree that a sandwich isn't classed as a meal but I am only light and struggle to eat another full meal so soon after my first and see this just as a top up. I appreciate all of your comments and I do continue to fit more food in but we are all genetically different, are we not?

**waterfalls11** · 06-02-2009, 08:52 AM

OK... I didn't come on here to piss you all off and if I have done then sorry but telling me what I should be able to achieve naturally and that I'm not ready for steroids is surely just you making an assumption what my genetic make up is. I know plenty of people smaller than me who eat less than me but weigh alot more and vice versa. I will not be able to put on 40 pounds in my lifetime naturally nor am I aiming for that. I want to bulk but my frame would struggle to hold another 2-3 stone. I eat as much as possible but find as I have grown over the last 4 years I have been able to eat more in tandum.

I do agree that a sandwich isn't classed as a meal but I am only light and struggle to eat another full meal so soon after my first and see this just as a top up. I appreciate all of your comments and I do continue to fit more food in but we are all genetically different, are we not?

**Reed** · 06-02-2009, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by waterfalls11

OK... I didn't come on here to piss you all off and if I have done then sorry but telling me what I should be able to achieve naturally and that I'm not ready for steroids is surely just you making an assumption what my genetic make up is. I know plenty of people smaller than me who eat less than me but weigh alot more and vice versa. I will not be able to put on 40 pounds in my lifetime naturally nor am I aiming for that. I want to bulk but my frame would struggle to hold another 2-3 stone. I eat as much as possible but find as I have grown over the last 4 years I have been able to eat more in tandum.

I do agree that a sandwich isn't classed as a meal but I am only light and struggle to eat another full meal so soon after my first and see this just as a top up. I appreciate all of your comments and I do continue to fit more food in but we are all genetically different, are we not?

So why screw with your natty T levels if you can't hold weight. You plan to just stay on for the rest of your life to hold weight. How do you think you gain weight in the first place, surely not taking a pill.

You are making up poor excuses and if you can't hold weight then why use drugs that may or may not put it on and then it will come off once PCT time arrives, your shut down and cortisol levels are high. How will you hold the weight put on after the cycle?

If you're not looking to put on 40lbs of muscle then stay natural. I was able to get to 210 in 4 years and also had the same thoughts as you about "fast" metabolism and all

Here sample diet for you: Look at the difference in food choices and tell me you wouldn't be able to hold weight?

Meal 1:
8 egg whites
3 whole *****-3 eggs
3/4 cups oats
small apple

Meal 2: (pre workout)
7-8oz of chicken
cup of pearled barley
2 cups broccoli

Meal 3: (PWO)
50g whey
3/4 cups oats
banana

Meal 4:
7-8 oz Lean turkey
cup of brown rice
2 cups of broccoli

Meal 5:
7-8 oz of buffalo meat
10oz of red potatos
big salad (I don't count greens for my macros)

Meal 6: same as 5

Meal 7:
3/4 cups of cottage cheese
4 whole *****-3 eggs

Then in the middle of the night

Meal 8: Either a casein shake or more egg whites or cottage cheese

See the difference in food choices. Actual meat and potaotes, not yogurt, cereal, and sandwiches

**tboney** · 06-02-2009, 08:56 AM

Its not just about how much you eat it is WHAT you eat. How do you know you cant put on weight naturally if you diet is like that????? I guarantee you that if you get your diet and training in order you will put on lean muscle. I am assuming that you dont have any kind of metabolic disorder?

***T-MOS*** · 06-02-2009, 08:57 AM

^^ not pissed at you at all! sorry if you took it that way. We have just seen this a million times and a million times its the same story you are giving.

I am not assuming anything. I know from my EXPERIENCE what ANY person with a 6' frame should be able to weight NATURALLY. You are free to do whatever you would like to do to your body, WE are just trying to tell you how to do it CORRECTLY....your results will be what I said they will be

The facts are the facts. this is 89% Diet, 5 % training, 5% rest, then about 1% steroids

Your diet is the issue here, and as you state you struggle to eat. Well WE ALL STRUGGLE , but that is what makes the difference. I for one, use NO SHAKES at all in my diet, so it is even harder for me to get 6-8 solid meals in a day.....BUT I DO it all depends on how bad you want this. There is no easy way or short cut here.

You need to find ways to fix your diet. We have great diet guru's here that will help you if you get into the diet section and ask. This is a lifestyle, not a hobby. you need to be willing to make some changes in your life if you want this to work.

GOOD LUCK

**alpmaster** · 06-02-2009, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by waterfalls11

OK... I didn't come on here to piss you all off and if I have done then sorry but telling me what I should be able to achieve naturally and that I'm not ready for steroids is surely just you making an assumption what my genetic make up is. I know plenty of people smaller than me who eat less than me but weigh alot more and vice versa. I will not be able to put on 40 pounds in my lifetime naturally nor am I aiming for that. I want to bulk but my frame would struggle to hold another 2-3 stone. I eat as much as possible but find as I have grown over the last 4 years I have been able to eat more in tandum.

I do agree that a sandwich isn't classed as a meal but I am only light and struggle to eat another full meal so soon after my first and see this just as a top up. I appreciate all of your comments and I do continue to fit more food in but we are all genetically different, are we not?

So you struggle to eat more than a sandwich? The question is, what do you think steroid use can do for you? I'll tell you right now, if 170lbs is all you can manage on a 6' frame, and that is all the food you can get down in a day, you aren't going to make any gains with steroid use (let alone weak ass winny). It doesn't matter what you're genetics are, you ARE light for what your height can carry, no matter how you try to get around that with excuses.

These guys are helping you not waste your time and money, but I won't be as nice as them. Go run 4 weeks of winstrol , and in the end, when you're left with tiny balls, no gains, and some acne, you can come back and come to the diet section.

Best of luck!