puffy nips

[hav it]

i suffer from puffy nipples, and have done since teens. Is there any way to get rid of them apart from surgery.

[peachfuzz]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

[hav it]

thats all cool, but my problem started as a teen and not because of aas. Will it still apply???

[peachfuzz]

Yes. Some of those studies are on pubertal gynecomastia specifically.

[matt9]

i have a little gyno under one nip that swells up every time i do a cycle. It always goes back down to where its not noticable but i am a week into a cycle right now of m-drol and extreme tren for competition prep and its swelling up. I have some nolva, rebound XT and dhea. Can any of these be ran for the rest of my cycle to help the gyno go down or do I need to wait until I start pct?
thanks

[hav it]

will my doc be able to do anything?? i.e prescribe me anything to treat it,even tho iv had it for 15 years or so. Its only now its an real issue due to working out and it make my chest look crap.

[peachfuzz]

Very unlikely a dr will do anything for you.

[peachfuzz]

i have a little gyno under one nip that swells up every time i do a cycle. It always goes back down to where its not noticable but i am a week into a cycle right now of m-drol and extreme tren for competition prep and its swelling up. I have some nolva, rebound xt and dhea. Can any of these be ran for the rest of my cycle to help the gyno go down or do i need to wait until i start pct?
Thanks

as to you, dont thread hijack. You already have your own. With the compounds your running its hard to tell what is causing the gyno. Tren is supposed to have progestinal properties. If so and that is the cause then nolva wont help, youd need an ai. Problem with ai is some people believe superdrol acts like a powerful ai and it wouldnt be wise to introduce another.

Thats the problem with ph/ds...

[hav it]

any ideas then ???

[peachfuzz]

Did you read the thread i posted?

Nolvadex

[hav it]

i ran tamoxifen on my last pct and it done nothing.

[HIITB$]

i have a little gyno under one nip that swells up every time i do a cycle. It always goes back down to where its not noticable but i am a week into a cycle right now of m-drol and extreme tren for competition prep and its swelling up. I have some nolva, rebound XT and dhea. Can any of these be ran for the rest of my cycle to help the gyno go down or do I need to wait until I start pct?
thanks

Competition for what?

[matt9]

bodybuilding... and i know the symptoms are from the superdrol and not the tren ... so should i run rebound xt for rest of cycle? Its supposed to be an ai.. just over the counter

[HIITB$]

bodybuilding... and i know the symptoms are from the superdrol and not the tren... so should i run rebound xt for rest of cycle? Its supposed to be an ai.. just over the counter

NO! First, puffy nips are pretty common with PH's and it's pretty hard to avoid but kind of depends on HOW puffy? You really need to throw a pic up (no homo) so people can help. You have Nolva (not Gaspari) ready for PCT?

Im no expert but ive done my fair share of PH's and some AAS. What are you running right now? SD doesnt aromatize so you prolly wouldnt see any gyno until AFTER using it if anything. Can you get A-dex or anything like that? How old are you and what level are you competing at?

edit: sorry read SD and Tren X...

[matt9]

age: 24
4th cycle
running m-drol: 20/20/20
extreme tren : 105/105/105 (actually tren-v 700)
saw palmeto
red yeast rice

3 years ago i ran superdrol alone and gyno occured about 3-4 months after cycle and now every time i do a cycle it flares up. It is the type of gyno thats like a hard lump under nipple.

I do have the REAL nolva, rebound xt and dhea for pct and on cycle if needed. I was going to run my pct like this..
nolva: 30/20/20
rebound xt: 75/50/25
dhea: 50/50/50

I plan to start my pct about 3-4 days before the cycle ends to overlap a little. The show date is the day of the end of my cycle (4-5 days after starting pct)

[hav it]

its official my tread had been hijacked

[matt9]

previous cycles:
superdrol- 30/30/30/30
testanate-50: 100/100/100/100
promagnon-25: 50/50/50/50

[matt9]

my bad dude... continue

[peachfuzz]

i ran tamoxifen on my last pct and it done nothing.

please read the sticky. your not likely to reduce gyno in post cycle and you need to run it for a few months. not 4 weeks.

[hav it]

thanks

[peachfuzz]

Here are five different case studies that provide us with the info that Tamox does, and more importantly CAN cure gyno.

Ill post up the first one for everyone to see.

"Management of physiological gynecomastia with tamoxifen

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H. N. Khan, , R. Rampaul and R. W. Blamey

Professorial Unit of Surgery, Department of Surgery, Nottingham City Hospital, Nottingham NG5 1PB, UK


Abstract
Aims: We aimed to confirm suggestions that tamoxifen therapy alone may resolve physiological gynaecomastia.

Methods: A prospective audit of the outcome of tamoxifen routinely given to men with physiological gynaecomastia was carried out at Nottingham. Men referred with gynaecomastia had clinical signs recorded, e.g., type (diffuse ‘fatty’ or retro-areolar ‘lump’), size and possible aetiology. They were offered oral tamoxifen 20 mg once daily for 6–12 weeks. On follow-up patients were assessed for complete resolution (CR), partial resolution where patient is satisfied with outcome (PR) or no resolution (NR). Success was either CR or PR.

Results: Thirty-six men accepted tamoxifen for physiological gynaecomastia. Median age was 31 (range 18–64). Tenderness was present in 25 (71%) cases. Sixteen men (45%) had ‘fatty’ gynaecomastia and 20 had ‘lump’ gynaecomastia. Tamoxifen resolved the mass in 30 patients (83.3%; CR=22, PR=8) and tenderness in 21 cases (84%; CR=21, PR=0). Lump gynaecomastia was more responsive to tamoxifen than the fatty type (100% vs. 62.5%; P=0.0041).

Conclusions: Oral tamoxifen is an effective treatment for physiological gynaecomastia, especially for the lump type"

*This is just the abstract, for the full article click on the link.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...67cb56f35979ec

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3664552

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3123765

http://www.cababstractsplus.org/abst...No=20043004430

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...7bea0fc991c05b



Now to make it clear. Can Tamox cure gyno? It seems it can. Does that mean its a fool proof method that will work for anyone? No of course not. To put it frankly, im very skeptical about the Gyno Reversal method as a whole. Weather it be with Tamox or Letro. The point is, its not a proven method. In reference to the Letro Reversal, it was put together by someone who had first hand experience, and until some medical researchers put it to the test, we cannot definitively say it does or does not work.

As for the Tamox reversal, ive found countless articles stating its success. It should be noted however that it doesnt mean that the gyno cannot reoccur. As a matter of fact ive found that it likely will return if the proper precautions of prevention arent taken before you cycle again. And even if you dont cycle, it still can return. Here is a source for this below.

"Am Surg 2000 Jan;66(1):38-40
Comparison of Tamoxifen with danazol in the management of idiopathic gynecomastia.

Ting AC, Chow LW, Leung YF.

Department of Surgery, The University of Hong Kong, Queen Mary Hospital, Pokfulam.

Idiopathic gynecomastia, unilateral or bilateral, is a common physical finding in normal men. Successful treatment using Tamoxifen (antiestrogen) and danazol (antiandrogen) has recently been reported. We compared the efficacy of Tamoxifen and danazol in the treatment of idiopathic gynecomastia. We reviewed the clinical records of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia presenting to the Department of Surgery, University of Hong Kong, between August 1990 and September 1995. Medical treatment with either Tamoxifen (20 mg/d) or danazol (400 mg/d) was offered and continued until a static response was achieved. The treatment response was compared. Sixty-eight patients with idiopathic gynecomastia were seen in the Breast Clinic. The median age was 39.5 years (range, 13-82), with a median duration of symptoms of 3 months (range, 1-90). The median size was 3 cm (range, 1-7). Twenty-three patients were treated with Tamoxifen and 20 with danazol.Complete resolution of the gynecomastia was recorded in 18 patients (78.2%) treated with Tamoxifen, whereas only 8 patients (40%) in the danazol group had complete resolution. Five patients, all from the Tamoxifen group, developed recurrence of breast mass. In conclusion, hormonal manition is effective in the treatment of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia. Although the effect is more marked for Tamoxifen compared with danazol, the relapse rate is higher for Tamoxifen. Further prospective randomized studies would be useful in defining the role of these drugs in the management of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia."

Basically what it says is that i can be reversed with Tamoxifen. But it does have a high % chance to reoccur. Supporting my claim that it will certainly shrink and possibly remove gyno, but its not 100% accurate method. The only way to have that is surgery. But thats not to say if you catch it while its forming you have a chance at reversing, once its formed the best you can hope for is some shrinkage, you aren't going to make it disappear. It will always be there even if you cant feel it, it will come back on your next cycles if you don't take proper precautions. Which is my main point in writing this thread.