Steroids and my heart(please help if you know something)

[LLsoldier]

hi all.
let me be clear.
i've done cycles before for about more than 10 times in past 5 years.
4 months ago i was in a cycle for 4 days(actually i injected the starting dose)
and in the 4th day i came home.ate lunch drink cup of coffee and unfortunately i smoked Edited after i smoked that Edited i had panic i guess and i thought i am dying then feelings like heart attack came to me 2 or 3 times.and my heart rate rose and this came to me 2 more times.and i went to 2 good doctors and one said i have a disease that is with me since born and the other said it is a panic attack.the doctor said dont drink coffee or tea anymore.but i drink them and nothing bad happens to me.now after 4 months i have only some minor pains in my chest and this occurs when i think a lot about my heart .and my blood test was normal.

THE QUESTION IS: if i start a cycle would it be harmful to my heart?and will i experience those things again?

thanks

[T-MOS]

I am sorry, but will you please edit your post and take out any rec drug words as they are NOT allowed to be on this site....

THANK YOU

[lovbyts]

Is this something you bought or grew yourself? Could it had been laced????
Sounds like you just had a panic attach or it had a little something extra in/on it.

I would say it has nothing to do with the cycle but the other thing you where doing.

[LLsoldier]

Is this something you bought or grew yourself? Could it had been laced????
Sounds like you just had a panic attach or it had a little something extra in/on it.

I would say it has nothing to do with the cycle but the other thing you where doing.

i guess if cycles do not have effects like caffeine on heart they are fine for me.I HOPE

[LLsoldier]

and Sorry T-MOS i did not know.
and yes lovbyts i bought it and i think it was very strong.never seen something like that.and when i used this alone this happened to me.

[bene7422]

sounds like anxiety to me which can and will trigger panic attacks.I get that when I'm on cycle.I used rec drugs one time when I was on and it was not a good experience,I'll never do it again

[LLsoldier]

sounds like anxiety to me which can and will trigger panic attacks.I get that when I'm on cycle.I used rec drugs one time when I was on and it was not a good experience,I'll never do it again

yeah it was the worst experience in my life and i wont do it again.but i want to go on cycles

[KAEW44]

Man i had a panic attack before and it felt like a mild heart attack, just pain in my heart and chest because i had some major drama situation which was the first of its type in my life...i was scared man i really thought i was done for because thats your heart man its the big V in vital organs!!

So i started to party harder thinking my life was gonna soon end...but it slowly went away! it got less and less and i really stayed away from stress and people who stress me i actually left the country for a while and then it went and i got an EKG and saw a doctor and everything is fine now...its been two years i think and everything is fine i train hard everyday and i aslo smoke that edited word from your post.

[LLsoldier]

Man i had a panic attack before and it felt like a mild heart attack, just pain in my heart and chest because i had some major drama situation which was the first of its type in my life...i was scared man i really thought i was done for because thats your heart man its the big V in vital organs!!

So i started to party harder thinking my life was gonna soon end...but it slowly went away! it got less and less and i really stayed away from stress and people who stress me i actually left the country for a while and then it went and i got an EKG and saw a doctor and everything is fine now...its been two years i think and everything is fine i train hard everyday and i aslo smoke that edited word from your post.

yeah mine is fading too.but you know it is body and it is always with you and heart is something vital i guess.and i still think about my heart everyday.i wish this little pain goes away too.

[LLsoldier]

haha funny.
i wanted to inject the first dose today.
and last night i woke up from sleep with my heart beating fast and my body shaking.
i felt i need to pee.then i came back to bed but i couldn't sleep.every time i yawn my muscles contracted.
then i watched tv and focused on my breath till the feeling went away.
but thank god to heart attack like feeling or pain. just fast beating.
now i dont know inject or not to inject...

[lovbyts]

It is sounding more and more like you are having a panic attack.

[Justin332]

I suffer from panic attacks and when I smoke you know what sometimes I panic.

There's nothing wrong with your heart dude, you had a panic attack.

Be careful mixing caffeine and other stuff.

[DarKOmeN]

sounds to me like a panic attack quit the smoking bro..

[seriousmass]

I suffer from panic attacks and when I smoke you know what sometimes I panic.

There's nothing wrong with your heart dude, you had a panic attack.

You hit the nail on the head there.

That particular drug can cause extreme anxiety in certain people. Even disrupt rhythmic palpitations temporarily.

[CHAP]

I have a major panic condition. I had to take xanex folr years to help. I finally had to detox of the meds. This is a very mentall and physically draining condition I dont think people understand. I have to deal with it everday.

Im on TRT and it does not effect my panic attacks, But I am 100% certain that others such as Tren . From what I have heard.

If you have had your cardiac enzmes checked , had an EKG done and all came back clear than anything that does not set off panic attacks should be o k

[LLsoldier]

thanks errbody.
i went to another doctor today and he checked my heart and my blood preasure and echo and ...
he said that i am completly fine and can do sports.and i asked can i use steroids ?
he said yes but they normally bring higher heart rates.

is he right? steroids are not stimulants like caffeine?or nicotine?

i guess these daily pains will not kill me.and i will try to focus more on my mind fitness too.

[inky-e]

Panic attack.....must have been some good stuff though......a few months ago I went to the doc and he did an echo cardiogram and he detected that my heart was enlarged...was it the juice?? Maybe....but he told me that its common in athletes and most people live their whole life without even knowing they have an enlarged heart.

[stillandbox]

i went to 2 good doctors and one said i have a disease that is with me since born and the other said it is a panic attack.the doctor said dont drink coffee or tea anymore.but i drink them and nothing bad happens to me.now after 4 months i have only some minor pains in my chest and this occurs when i think a lot about my heart .and my blood test was normal.

THE QUESTION IS: if i start a cycle would it be harmful to my heart?and will i experience those things again?

thanks

What did the Doctor say the condition you were born with was? If you are having Chest pains, that is not normal. Was your EKG normal? Care to post it? I'd be happy to take a look at it.

If your doctor told you not to drink coffee or tea anymore, why risk it? Why hurt your heart? Last I heard you can't live without one.

Did you tell the doctors that you are using gear?

And isn't using rec. drugs counterproductive to being healthy and fit (not trying to start a debate but smoking anything isn't good for you).

Did they prescribe you any meds?

Hope all stays well!

[LLsoldier]

What did the Doctor say the condition you were born with was? If you are having Chest pains, that is not normal. Was your EKG normal? Care to post it? I'd be happy to take a look at it.

If your doctor told you not to drink coffee or tea anymore, why risk it? Why hurt your heart? Last I heard you can't live without one.

Did you tell the doctors that you are using gear?

And isn't using rec. drugs counterproductive to being healthy and fit (not trying to start a debate but smoking anything isn't good for you).

Did they prescribe you any meds?

Hope all stays well!

thanks brother for your attention.
my EKG is normal.(i can scan it and post it if you like)
i do not smoke anything for about 4 months.
the first doctor gave me amiodarone and verapamil and some herbal drops.
this doctor siad that my heart have an extra electrical wire on it.
the second doctor said this is normal and most young ppl have this condition.he wrote on the prescription something like pmc attack or panic attack i guess.

the doctor i went to yesterday said that i am completely fine according to the EKG and echo and said i can use steroids .
but i guess he did not understand that i have daily minor chest pain and heart beat.

my blood test also showed 5.3 T3. the maximum normal amount is 5.0.

thanks again

[stillandbox]

Wow, if the first doctor gave you amiodarone and verapamil (which are some heavy duty cardiac drugs) and the next TWO said you were fine, I'd never go back to the first guy.

Are you in the US?

The 5.3 suggests HYPOthyroidism. Do you have a heard time losing weight?

[Zookl]

hi all.
let me be clear.
i've done cycles before for about more than 10 times in past 5 years.
4 months ago i was in a cycle for 4 days(actually i injected the starting dose)
and in the 4th day i came home.ate lunch drink cup of coffee and unfortunately i smoked Edited after i smoked that Edited i had panic i guess and i thought i am dying then feelings like heart attack came to me 2 or 3 times.and my heart rate rose and this came to me 2 more times.and i went to 2 good doctors and one said i have a disease that is with me since born and the other said it is a panic attack.the doctor said dont drink coffee or tea anymore.but i drink them and nothing bad happens to me.now after 4 months i have only some minor pains in my chest and this occurs when i think a lot about my heart .and my blood test was normal.

THE QUESTION IS: if i start a cycle would it be harmful to my heart?and will i experience those things again?

thanks

Its an anxiety attack. Thats what can happen if you smoke for too long. IT just kinda creeps up on ya and bamm.. you start getting anxiety attacks. Don't smoke so much and so often anymore....Can I even say this??? Am I going to get introuble from the mods?

[LLsoldier]

Wow, if the first doctor gave you amiodarone and verapamil (which are some heavy duty cardiac drugs) and the next TWO said you were fine, I'd never go back to the first guy.

Are you in the US?

The 5.3 suggests HYPOthyroidism. Do you have a heard time losing weight?

I dont live in US.
i was wrong sorry. The TSH is 5.3 that in the paper it suggests the max amount to 5.0.
and no i dont have hard time losing weight i actually dont go much further from 75 KG or before it.
these are My EKG and Echo.
the EKG was taken when i was using amiodarone and verapamil.

recently i can not train.i have very very fast heart beats and i fear to train.i feel i do not have energy and ...

[LLsoldier]

and this is my echo.
and i dont smoke anything anymore brother.not even drinking tea or coffee these days.

[stillandbox]

Your EKG looks great, better than most peoples. I'm not really sure about the echo.

Unless you recently stopped your cycle without PCT, that could account for you being tired due to low test levels (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong on this)

The heart medications could as well if you are still taking them. The are causing a drop in BP, thus making you tired. When your blood pressure is low, your heart rate does up. But having a very rapid heart beat could be a sign of a panic attack.

All in all I would say your EKG shows your are in good health. You have gone to several Doctors and no one has said anything is life threatening. Whenever you feel up to it, I would start training again. And maybe have a cup of coffee and see how you feel!

Good luck!

PS. Are you in India?

[LLsoldier]

Your EKG looks great, better than most peoples. I'm not really sure about the echo.

Unless you recently stopped your cycle without PCT, that could account for you being tired due to low test levels (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong on this)

The heart medications could as well if you are still taking them. The are causing a drop in BP, thus making you tired. When your blood pressure is low, your heart rate does up. But having a very rapid heart beat could be a sign of a panic attack.

All in all I would say your EKG shows your are in good health. You have gone to several Doctors and no one has said anything is life threatening. Whenever you feel up to it, I would start training again. And maybe have a cup of coffee and see how you feel!

Good luck!

PS. Are you in India?

Thanks for all your attention brother.
i live in iran.
so you say this beats and pains are not my heart and are just mental?

okay i will go on a very light cycle like just test prop for 4 weeks to gain some weight.
i hope this will not suck.
thanks again.

[stillandbox]

Yeah, I'm just a paramedic, so I have knowledge, but not as good as a doctor. From what I can tell, you are good to good. Just be careful. I can't say for 100% that your pains are only mental. But it sounds like it to me.

Stay safe over there!

Side note...is it really as bad over there right now as they say it is? (riots everywhere, protesters being thrown off bridges) The only info. the US news really has is stuff posted on twitter and snuck out.

[seriousmass]

Side note...is it really as bad over there right now as they say it is? (riots everywhere, protesters being thrown off bridges) The only info. the US news really has is stuff posted on twitter and snuck out.

LOL!! I was about to ask the EXACT same thing.

I doubt this poster is from Shiraz, or Esfahan though (the main cities currently in protest)... because there internet / phone service has been completely disconnected there, from what my friend in Rasht tells me..

Rasht has had some brutal protests recently. My friend Beso said he saw 2 people mutilated being dragged down the street, away from the Iranian national guard. scary stuff..

[seriousmass]

And on a side note.... NEVER move to BC, Canada... if you can't take the pot being grown over there in Iran... well, you're going to get absolutely OWNED by the B.C. bud we've got growing here lol.

If you got a panic attack from Iranian weed you'd probably die from BC cronic!! hahaha

[stillandbox]

And on a side note.... NEVER move to BC, Canada... if you can't take the pot being grown over there in Iran... well, you're going to get absolutely OWNED by the B.C. bud we've got growing here lol.

If you got a panic attack from Iranian weed you'd probably die from BC cronic!! hahaha

Remove the Rec. drug names before Big gets to ya!

[LLsoldier]

LOL
here is calm now and the sms is not working here for a while.
many websites like youtube and facebook are filtered.
it is impossible to call other countries.
some ppl died here.but things are calm here.
i am not Muslim but the government is and they wont let anything bad happen to them.
and i am leaving iran soon. so these things does not concern me a lot.

[LLsoldier]

Yeah, I'm just a paramedic, so I have knowledge, but not as good as a doctor. From what I can tell, you are good to good. Just be careful. I can't say for 100% that your pains are only mental. But it sounds like it to me.

Stay safe over there!

Side note...is it really as bad over there right now as they say it is? (riots everywhere, protesters being thrown off bridges) The only info. the US news really has is stuff posted on twitter and snuck out.

what you mean be careful? i heard steroids can raise blood pressure and higher blood pressure leads to slower heart beats.uless steroids do not act like caffeine or stuff like it i guess it is ok for me.

[liftpro]

Is this something you bought or grew yourself? Could it had been laced????
Sounds like you just had a panic attach or it had a little something extra in/on it.

I would say it has nothing to do with the cycle but the other thing you where doing.

i agree. prob something extra in the EDIT.

[LLsoldier]

just shot 50mg test prop today.i feel a bit warmth in my chest and i am anxious but i will endure.and the day after tommorow i will inject another 50mg to see what happens.
if this do something wrong with my heart is there anything to clean it fast from my blood?
and my friend STILLANDBOX i read in a medical book that steroids can be used instead of amiodarone!

[stillandbox]

and my friend STILLANDBOX i read in a medical book that steroids can be used instead of amiodarone!

haha, best justification for steroid use ever!

Not sure about the cleaning out of your system though...anyone else have any input?

[LLsoldier]

haha, best justification for steroid use ever!

haha

men i just came back from gym and i feel just perfect.in the morning when i injected i was dying of fear i guess but now i am good and i hope this stays this way

[Arizona38]

hi all.
let me be clear.
i've done cycles before for about more than 10 times in past 5 years.
4 months ago i was in a cycle for 4 days(actually i injected the starting dose)
and in the 4th day i came home.ate lunch drink cup of coffee and unfortunately i smoked Edited after i smoked that Edited i had panic i guess and i thought i am dying then feelings like heart attack came to me 2 or 3 times.and my heart rate rose and this came to me 2 more times.and i went to 2 good doctors and one said i have a disease that is with me since born and the other said it is a panic attack.the doctor said dont drink coffee or tea anymore.but i drink them and nothing bad happens to me.now after 4 months i have only some minor pains in my chest and this occurs when i think a lot about my heart .and my blood test was normal.

THE QUESTION IS: if i start a cycle would it be harmful to my heart?and will i experience those things again?

thanks

Hello...

Kinda glad i seen this post as ive been going threw the same thing and for me its a little more complicated as ive already suffered a heart attack (35 years old) a few years back (artery clogged up) and stent was added to keep open (3 years ago). NOTE: Doctor said i didnt hurt it in any way and blamed it on my horrible diet.

Since that happened in my life ive lost a considerable amount of weight 30+ pounds (currently weigh 253) as ive been hitting the GYM 5 days a week and look and feel great now but want more muscle mass and cutt, so ive decided to buy SPAWN and try it for 1 month or cycle. (i dont plan on doing it again as i only want that 1 time boost)

So my question is will one month or cycle have negative effects on my heart or worse kill me?

Thx M1

[stillandbox]

Hello...

Kinda glad i seen this post as ive been going threw the same thing and for me its a little more complicated as ive already suffered a heart attack (35 years old) a few years back (artery clogged up) and stent was added to keep open (3 years ago). NOTE: Doctor said i didnt hurt it in any way and blamed it on my horrible diet.

Since that happened in my life ive lost a considerable amount of weight 30+ pounds (currently weigh 253) as ive been hitting the GYM 5 days a week and look and feel great now but want more muscle mass and cutt, so ive decided to buy SPAWN and try it for 1 month or cycle. (i dont plan on doing it again as i only want that 1 time boost)

So my question is will one month or cycle have negative effects on my heart or worse kill me?

Thx M1

Before you start anything, esp. Spawn, which is hard on your liver. I would check with your cardiologist. Are you on Warfarin? Lipitor? Those, along with many cardiac drugs, are hard on your liver as it is. Also, I'm not sure what interactions blood thinners would have with Spawn or even gear.

Better to be safe rather than sorry, esp. with your heart.

Keep us posted!

tisk tisk lol

[Arizona38]

Before you start anything, esp. Spawn, which is hard on your liver. I would check with your cardiologist. Are you on Warfarin? Lipitor? Those, along with many cardiac drugs, are hard on your liver as it is. Also, I'm not sure what interactions blood thinners would have with Spawn or even gear.

Better to be safe rather than sorry, esp. with your heart.

Keep us posted!

tisk tisk lol

Hello...

Well when that happened (3 years ago) i used the Lipitor & other crap till the script was finished (30 days) and then stopped as i didnt want my body to get addicted or used to those drugs and also not having insurance was a main reason i stopped using the meds.

Ive been on Spawn now for 5 days and havent had any trouble but will take your advice and go see a cardiologist to give me a check up to make sure everything is kool with my heart. (appreciate the advice)

PS ... wasnt trying to hijack the thread but figured he already got his answer, it was a "panic attack" from smoking "stuff" and mind was playing tricks on you... nothing more...

thx
M1

[stillandbox]

Hello...

Well when that happened (3 years ago) i used the Lipitor & other crap till the script was finished (30 days) and then stopped as i didnt want my body to get addicted or used to those drugs and also not having insurance was a main reason i stopped using the meds.

Ive been on Spawn now for 5 days and havent had any trouble but will take your advice and go see a cardiologist to give me a check up to make sure everything is kool with my heart. (appreciate the advice)

PS ... wasnt trying to hijack the thread but figured he already got his answer, it was a "panic attack" from smoking "stuff" and mind was playing tricks on you... nothing more...

thx
M1

You should still be taking your meds after 30 days. If insurance and pill cost is an issue, walmart has many cardiac drugs for $10 for a 90 day supply. You won't develop an addiction to those drugs. They are to insure that you do not form a clot around the stent in your heart. If money is an issue I would not buy the Spawn, and focus on your heart.

Sorry to sound like an ass, but really, being fit and in shape starts with your heart, if it's not working properly, you're not going to oxygenate your muscles properly. Oh, and the fact you could die...

Just my 2 cents!

P.S. Here is the PDF location from Walmart on the drugs they offer for discount, they have mail order too (in case you don't have one around you).

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/if/hmp/...tomer_list.pdf

[Arizona38]

You should still be taking your meds after 30 days. If insurance and pill cost is an issue, walmart has many cardiac drugs for $10 for a 90 day supply. You won't develop an addiction to those drugs. They are to insure that you do not form a clot around the stent in your heart. If money is an issue I would not buy the Spawn, and focus on your heart.

Sorry to sound like an ass, but really, being fit and in shape starts with your heart, if it's not working properly, you're not going to oxygenate your muscles properly. Oh, and the fact you could die...

Just my 2 cents!

P.S. Here is the PDF location from Walmart on the drugs they offer for discount, they have mail order too (in case you don't have one around you).

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/if/hmp/...tomer_list.pdf

Hello...

Thx for the info as its very much appreciated, but the heart issue happened "3 years ago" so its been a while now
and what i did (and still do) is take 2 aspirin daily to thin my blood to prevent clots. Appreciate the walmart link but
like i mentioned above its been 3 years now and when the doctor discharged me (2 days later) and he said my heart
suffered no injury or scaring so it would seem futile to start up on the meds now.

Like i mentioned my concern is that my heart enlarges and that stent gets pushed in to where it kills me.
As you recommended i will be seeing a doctor this week to ensure my safety...(thx 4 that)

Ps... You not sounding like an ass bro, but more cautious then what i am
which is the smart thing to do. (and i appreciate your imput and remarks)

Thx
M1