Test under dosed? or just be patient?

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 09:52 AM

Its week 4 day 5 and Im not seeing dramatic results yet? I have gained about 4-5lbs since my first shot and my strength is up slightly but nothing extreme. My muscle feels full most of the time but I dont think I have put on much size....should I just wait it out?

Diet: 6 eggs
Veggies
1/3 cup oats

16oz hamburger (about 4 cups)
Veggies

4 scoops whey
2 bananas
1 cup blue berries
(Post work out meal)

2 chicken breast
brown rice
veggies

2 scoops whey
1 cup almonds

2 chicken breast

I also train very hard! 5 days a week.

**Phate** · 06-25-2009, 10:00 AM

whats your cycle?

stats?
age
weight
height
bf%
cycle exp
training exp

**seriousmass** · 06-25-2009, 10:05 AM

Dude... you're injecting like 325mg each week... and it's only week 5.. BE PATIENT.

1.) you are running it at a low-dosage. we've already gone over this

2.) it's the enanthane ester bro = LONG RELEASE.

AKA.... might take till week 6.

I didn't see any significant weight gain on my test-e only cycle until week 7 to be honest.

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 10:06 AM

Test enth 400mg a week. The first two weeks I shot 375 but then jumped to 400mg...not that the extra 25mg will do much haha but in my head it does.

weight:185

age: 21

training for about 7 years.

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 10:07 AM

P.s its my first cycle

**Phate** · 06-25-2009, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Test enth 400mg a week. The first two weeks I shot 375 but then jumped to 400mg...not that the extra 25mg will do much haha but in my head it does.

weight:185

age: 21

training for about 7 years.

now i remember you, as long as the gear is good then you just need to wait another 2-3 weeks for it to really kick in, if you don't notice a good difference by then it's either bad gear or bad diet

Originally Posted by awms

Its week 4 day 5 and Im not seeing dramatic results yet? I have gained about 4-5lbs since my first shot and my strength is up slightly but nothing extreme. My muscle feels full most of the time but I dont think I have put on much size....should I just wait it out?

Diet: 6 eggs
Veggies
1/3 cup oats

16oz hamburger (about 4 cups)
Veggies

4 scoops whey
2 bananas
1 cup blue berries
(Post work out meal)

2 chicken breast
brown rice
veggies

2 scoops whey
1 cup almonds

2 chicken breast

I also train very hard! 5 days a week.

judging by this your diet isn't too bad, though it could definitely use work

**garbageman18** · 06-25-2009, 10:26 AM

chill my son. I just finished week 5 of my test e of 500mgs a week with virtually no effects yet, I get antsy too and second guess the gear sometimes but just be patient.

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

now i remember you, as long as the gear is good then you just need to wait another 2-3 weeks for it to really kick in, if you don't notice a good difference by then it's either bad gear or bad diet

judging by this your diet isn't too bad, though it could definitely use work

Yeah im trying to eat clean and not take in more calories then my body needs...my cals are high but not stupid. I dont see the point in taking in 5000 cals when your only burning 3500? way over kill! I still take in high cals just nothing stupid and I more worry about the amount of protein, and quality of food Im taking in.

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 10:29 AM

my balls feel smaller, my muscle feels very full, and my sex drive is up so ther no dout in my mind that it is real...Im thinking give it another week before I can say its under dosed.

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 10:31 AM

I just dont feel that massive boost that every one talks about? like you could tear a bulls horns off and eat his belly for dinner lol by week 5 I should notice somthing.

**Phate** · 06-25-2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Yeah im trying to eat clean and not take in more calories then my body needs...my cals are high but not stupid. I dont see the point in taking in 5000 cals when your only burning 3500? way over kill! I still take in high cals just nothing stupid and I more worry about the amount of protein, and quality of food Im taking in.

you have to remember than one of the benefits of running AS is that your feed efficiency(which is measured by what percentage of the nutrients from food you actually use vs. the amount you process as waste) is increased, therefore you can process more food

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 10:39 AM

Yeah mabey I should up my cals a small amount and see what happens. I see alot of guys eating hamburgers, weight gainer, pasta ect....and yeah they put on great size but they looks bloated and fat. Just seems like they are over feeding ther bodies.

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 10:40 AM

See Im no to AS so this first cycle is reall teaching me alot about how my body works while on! I know my body well when im natural but being on sauce is a diffrent story!

**Phate** · 06-25-2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Its week 4 day 5 and Im not seeing dramatic results yet? I have gained about 4-5lbs since my first shot and my strength is up slightly but nothing extreme. My muscle feels full most of the time but I dont think I have put on much size....should I just wait it out?

Diet: 6 eggs
Veggies
1/3 cup oats
need to up the egg whites and cut out all but two of the yolks
16oz hamburger (about 4 cups)
Veggies
16oz of lean hamburger is close to 100g of protein which you can't digest in the amount of time allotted, cut to 10oz max
4 scoops whey
2 bananas
1 cup blue berries
(Post work out meal)
4 scoops? stats? again thats 100g of protein that you don't need at once
2 chicken breast
brown rice
veggies
need macros on this meal...how much brown rice, how many oz of chicken
2 scoops whey
1 cup almonds
no point to whey here, macros please
2 chicken breast
add an EFA here, fish oil would be nice

I also train very hard! 5 days a week.

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**awms** · 06-25-2009, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

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Thanks. Im taking fish oil and multi twice a day already.

Do you have any idea how much protein you can take in at one time while one as? If it is 20-40g when natural it has to be about double that when on? or mabey not? I had my diet down to a science when natural but now its hard to understand how my body is reacting to the hormones?

**Phate** · 06-25-2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Thanks. Im taking fish oil and multi twice a day already.

Do you have any idea how much protein you can take in at one time while one as? If it is 20-40g when natural it has to be about double that when on? or mabey not? I had my diet down to a science when natural but now its hard to understand how my body is reacting to the hormones?

taking how much fish oil daily?

i wouldn't go above 80g in a meal at max(and only up to 80 during PWO)

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

taking how much fish oil daily?

i wouldn't go above 80g in a meal at max(and only up to 80 during PWO)

Im taking about 5g of ***** 3 a day....about 8 tabs split up into 2-3 times a day with meals. Im also taking an organic multi by prgressive nutrtion twice a day, and green tea (egcg) 3 times a day at 200mg a tab.

**Phate** · 06-25-2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Im taking about 5g of ***** 3 a day....about 8 tabs split up into 2-3 times a day with meals. Im also taking an organic multi by prgressive nutrtion twice a day, and green tea (egcg) 3 times a day at 200mg a tab.

not near enough IMO, you should look at your ratio of good unsaturated fats to bad fats per day and compare to total amount, fish oil is one of the best things you can use to lose bf as it's beeen shown to actually activate one of your bodies fat burning genes( i have a study on it i think if you want to read it)

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

not near enough IMO, you should look at your ratio of good unsaturated fats to bad fats per day and compare to total amount, fish oil is one of the best things you can use to lose bf as it's beeen shown to actually activate one of your bodies fat burning genes( i have a study on it i think if you want to read it)

Yeah ther was a time when I was taking about 15 of fish oil a day but being a student it was costly! I follow alot of charles poliquin and john berardi's stuff but being a college student it is hard to follow it 100%. But the basic idea is what I follow. Once I get a solid pay check im gunna go buy a big bottle of udo's 369, and a couple bottles of fish oil and up my ***** 3 in take.

**Phate** · 06-25-2009, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Yeah ther was a time when I was taking about 15 of fish oil a day but being a student it was costly! I follow alot of charles poliquin and john berardi's stuff but being a college student it is hard to follow it 100%. But the basic idea is what I follow. Once I get a solid pay check im gunna go buy a big bottle of udo's 369, and a couple bottles of fish oil and up my ***** 3 in take.

lol, right now i have a bottle of udo's and a bottle of fish oil in my fridge, those two are my only fat sources

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 11:15 AM

My supplements that I will be taking once I get paid:

***** 3 fish oil
Multi vit
Greens powder (Veggie greens)
Green Tea (egcg)
Udo's 369 with flax
Whey isolate

**Paranoid** · 06-25-2009, 11:57 AM

Maybe that dose is a little to low for you. I am in week 5 of 750mg/week of Test E. and I feel like it is in its peak. I started to feel the effects at the end of week 3, and by week 4 they were quite pronounced. Strength is way up, so is recovery and appetite, pumps and endurance are crazy, and I'm up about 11lb.

**awms** · 06-25-2009, 12:47 PM

K well I just went and hit shoulders and had a great work out! pumps wer insane! strength still has not changed but endurance is up (more reps same weight)....so I guess you could say my strength is up a little. the thing I notice the most right now is just how full my muscle looks and feels...750mg of test vs 400mg would prob be much diffrent because by week 4 you would have almost double the test in your system. I really wish I would have front loaded now but I just was not sure how my body would react and I didnt want to start having crazy sides....I could always bump it up to 500mg? or should I just wait another week to see how things go? my next shot will be on sat.

**Paranoid** · 06-26-2009, 03:07 PM

I would just bump the Test to 500mg and stay at that dose till the end of the cycle. On my first cycle I started with 375mg and it was not till I raised to to 500mg that I started to get the effects I was looking for.

**awms** · 06-26-2009, 03:32 PM

Alright I think its starting to kick in....went to the gym today and had a very good work out! felt very strong! and Im up about 1lb from about 3 days ago. Im gunna stick with 400mg and just hope that I really start to feel it this week....for a first cycle imo I dont think the jump to 500 from 400 would make make much a diffrence? more sides if anything?