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    letro not doing its job

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    tren A 75mg ED. for 8weeks but i stopped trenA on week 4 due gyno promblems and im using masteron 100mg a day instead of the trenA. im on week 6 of my cycle.

    i ordered letro from lion and been taking 2.5mg a day am everyday for 2weeks and my lump under my right nipple hasnt shrink any smaller
    should i carry on at the same dose?
    his there any other options or remedies out there?
    ive got tamox/novla, arimadex,clomid should i take any of them?

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    You may need bromo or caber.

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    where can get bromo or caber from?,

    if i cant get hold of it should i stop the letro or half the dose for the rest of my cycle if 2.5mg not doing anything i might aswell stop taking it do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
    where can get bromo or caber from?,

    if i cant hold of it should i stop the letro or half the dose for the rest of my cycle if 2.5mg not doing anything i might aswell stop taking it do you think?
    NO. I'd be patient and wait for the letro to work. You've only been on it for 2 weeks. I'd wait at least 4 weeks in my opinion. Your sex drive might be f*cked during the next 2 weeks, but a lower-sex drive is WAY better then gyno.

    If the letro doesn't make the gyno subside begin investing in bromo...

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    my sex drive is ok at the moment thank f**k so carry on then, hope it works its doing my head in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
    my sex drive is ok at the moment thank f**k so carry on then, hope it works its doing my head in.
    Yup. wait another 2 weeks at least.

    After that if it doesn't subside you can PM me and I'll review bromo / caber protocols with you.

    Peace. good luck

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    cheers seriousmasss,

    Thanks alot

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    That letro has always worked for me. Your nipples can't possibly still be sore, right? That is a pretty heavy dose you're on. I'm taking 1.25mg eod and I'm good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
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    600mg of test e 16weeks
    tren A 75mg ED. for 8weeks but i stopped trenA on week 4 due gyno promblems and im using masteron 100mg a day instead of the trenA. im on week 6 of my cycle.

    i ordered letro from lion and been taking 2.5mg a day am everyday for 2weeks and my lump under my right nipple hasnt shrink any smaller
    should i carry on at the same dose?

    Explain the area, Is it swolen? has it got bigger since on letro? Does it itch?

    his there any other options or remedies out there? prolactin is a possible bie product, the old "milking hormone" bromo at low dosages should stop 600mg of test from prolactin
    ive got tamox/novla, arimadex,clomid should i take any of them?
    answer the first question first...
    Lets see what we got...

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    i got a grape size lump under my right nipple it was soar but its not now.

    no it dont itch
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    size is still the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
    i got a grape size lump under my right nipple it was soar but its not now.

    no it dont itch
    Thats all the letro is going to do in the beginning! Stop the estrogen from effecting the tissue, that is all not anything else...

    I understand after reading some of these posts you might be confused, Lets look at letro:


    http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treat...pies/Letrozole

    It does what aromatase inhibitors do, simply stop the estrogen... In the firstt two weeks even three or four all that will happen is the itching will stop. The water retention from estrogen will stop. The soreness will subside.

    Have people used it to address gyno? Yes, it is meant to remove gyno? No.

    There are many aas user that have gyno, and no matter what they used/use they will never/have removed it by use of a AI.

    The funtion of an AI is not to remove a lump from under your skin in a few weeks or even a month.

    The prior post are misleading you. Sorry.

    The lump 'may' go away in time but not over night or in the short term.

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    should i stop the letro? cause i need estrogen to grow

    i think it will go down a bit after my cycle and pct, i hope so

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
    should i stop the letro? cause i need estrogen to grow

    i think it will go down a bit after my cycle and pct, i hope so
    Estrogen does cause your body to increase the production of hGH and Igf-1 (in male cows and a few other animals it does), With out estrogen you might not gain as much. However, if you are prone to gyno that estrogen will cause your gyno to grow... The choice is yours.

    Post cycle there is a negative feedback mech that might occur, your body might produce excess cortisol and estrogen... It is possible for the existing gyno to grow post cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
    should i stop the letro? cause i need estrogen to grow

    i think it will go down a bit after my cycle and pct, i hope so
    Estrogen does cause your body to increase the production of hGH and Igf-1 (in male cows and a few other animals it does), With out estrogen you might not gain as much. However, if you are prone to gyno that estrogen will cause your gyno to grow... The choice is yours. Keep in mind you don't need estrogen to grow<<<< you have been misinformed.

    Post cycle there is a negative feedback mech that might occur, your body might produce excess cortisol and estrogen... It is possible for the existing gyno to grow post cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancer View Post
    Estrogen does cause your body to increase the production of hGH and Igf-1 (in male cows and a few other animals it does), With out estrogen you might not gain as much. However, if you are prone to gyno that estrogen will cause your gyno to grow... The choice is yours.

    Post cycle there is a negative feedback mech that might occur, your body might produce excess cortisol and estrogen... It is possible for the existing gyno to grow post cycle.
    Actually bro. It looks like you're the one being to confuse / mislead the OP.

    He should stay on his letro course right now. That protocol is excellent for gyno reversal. Once off the letro, I would suggest staying on an AI like A-dex until the conclusion of the cycle. Then run PCT... (which could even include an AI). Moreover, I already mentioned that if the letro is not successful he should look into caber or bromo.

    No need to over-complicate things Dancer.

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    ok should i half my dose for the rest of my cycle then carry on with my pct which would be clomid/nolva

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    now im confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
    ok should i half my dose for the rest of my cycle then carry on with my pct which would be clomid/nolva
    I would continue with the letro @ 2.5mg each day for the next two weeks. Then I would gauge where your gyno is at.. IE if it has shrank or not. If you satisfied, and belief the gyno has subsided then discontinue the use of letro, and being running A-dex @ 0.25mg each day. Then finish cycle / start PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
    now im confused
    I honestly have no idea how to make it more clear man. I think I've explained it throughly, step-for-step, a couple of times now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    Actually bro. It looks like you're the one being to confuse / mislead the OP.

    He should stay on his letro course right now. That protocol is excellent for gyno reversal.

    Are you reading the original post, the OP wants to know why in the last two weeks it has not reversed gyno and you are not addressing it

    Once off the letro, I would suggest staying on an AI like A-dex until the conclusion of the cycle. Then run PCT... (which could even include an AI). Moreover, I already mentioned that if the letro is not successful he should look into caber or bromo.

    Would you like to point at what point I suggested he gets of letro

    No need to over-complicate things Dancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    NO. I'd be patient and wait for the letro to work. You've only been on it for 2 weeks. I'd wait at least 4 weeks in my opinion. Your sex drive might be f*cked during the next 2 weeks, but a lower-sex drive is WAY better then gyno.

    If the letro doesn't make the gyno subside begin investing in bromo...
    1) Letro will not reverse gyno in a few weeks

    2) It is your choice to stay on the letro, if you get off you might gain more weight but you risk a worse gyno issue

    3) the bolded print is just uneducated BS waiting 4 weeks in his opinion is still not going to address a removal of gyno

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    2 weeks?

    It takes 3-4 weeks for Letro to KICK IN. Tests have shown it takes around 60 days for it to build up in blood plasma levels.

    Letro isn't an instant cure, continue the course. Keep taking until symptoms get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier View Post
    2 weeks?

    It takes 3-4 weeks for Letro to KICK IN. Tests have shown it takes around 60 days for it to build up in blood plasma levels.

    Letro isn't an instant cure, continue the course. Keep taking until symptoms get better.
    I hope your right...been on it for a little over a week now (2.5mg ED) and my nips seem to be getting itchier by the day three weeks into my Prop cycle. This crap sucks ass...been 4 years since I have done a cycle and as soon as I start up again this junk flares up on my left side.

    I keep hearing different things from people, a couple guys at the gym say that letro is super powerful and you will feel it within a few days, one guy said it makes you feel like superman lol! Only difference I notice is a little more dehydrated during the day and hunger has gone way up (but that could be the test kicking in). Was starting to think my online orals were bunk...we will see.

    Next cycle taking .5mg arimadex two weeks before and throughout the whole cycle, looks like I am a magnet for gyno

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnq View Post
    cycle
    600mg of test e 16weeks
    tren A 75mg ED. for 8weeks but i stopped trenA on week 4 due gyno promblems and im using masteron 100mg a day instead of the trenA. im on week 6 of my cycle.

    i ordered letro from lion and been taking 2.5mg a day am everyday for 2weeks and my lump under my right nipple hasnt shrink any smaller
    should i carry on at the same dose?
    his there any other options or remedies out there?
    ive got tamox/novla, arimadex,clomid should i take any of them?
    Im guessing that your need something like BROMOCRIPTINE or DOSTINEX if the LETROZOLE isnt working for you.

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