My first cycle

**ranging1** · 07-01-2009, 05:51 AM

hello everyone
this is my first cycle n have just started it
im trying to get asmuch info or knowledge from experienced or knowledgeable people regarding my complete cycle and plan
i would like some opinions from people on how i could adjust my plan to acheive better results

my stats are
age:25
bodyweight:88 kilograms
bf% 12 at most, 6 feet tall
lifts: bench press 90 kilograms 8 reps, deadlift 180 kilograms 6 reps, barbell shoulder press 70 kilograms 10 reps, 45 degree leg press 420 kilograms, 10 reps
i only said this so people could have an idea on my body condition as obviously training and nutrition would vary

i will be running
weeks 1-4 30mg dbol daily
weeks 1-10 500 test ethanate, i was thinking for 12 weeks?

my diet will be approx 500-600 grams of carbohydrates
300 grams protein
fat i will not count but i eat lean foods anyway, e.g chicken breat, wholemeal bread, kidney beans so fat will occour naturally from them

feel free to critisize my diet

my workout split
day 1: back/ biceps/forearms/traps
2 sets lat pull down
2 sets of dumbell or upright rows
1 or 2 sets of deadlift
2 sets of shrugs
2 sets of lower back raises
3 sets of different types of biceps curls (will focus on hammer and barbell curls)
2 sets wrist curls

REST day

days 2 legs/ calves
3 sets of 45 degree leg press
2 sets squats
2 sets leg curls
2 sets calf raises

REST day

day 3 chest/shoulders/triceps
3 sets bench press
2 sets of dips
2 sets of dumbell shoulder press
1 set of barbell shoulders press
2 sets of bench dips
1 or 2 sets of tricep extensions (depending on how i feel)
2 sets of lateral raises (drop sets)

REST day
REPEAT

i copied this workout off a forum

being my first cycle i am not to sure how much volume or frequency i should use, is this workout suitable or should i increase my intensity to acheive better results
im currently afriad to do those workouts of 9 sets per body part as ive tried them before and they never worked for me, all i did was over train and get fat
i found that my body seems to respond well to 6 sets for large muscle, and 2 or 3 for smaller muscles
now that im starting my cycle and a higher calorie diet im not to sure how high i should increase my volume and intensity
anyone whos run a cycle please make sum suggestions

**Free Will** · 07-01-2009, 06:05 AM

^^^^ looks like you have done your research bro ...good to see for a change , umm maybe it being your first ever cycle you might want to stick with just the test , 500mg a week for 12 weeks ....get your body use to the effects of steroids and see what you can get out of that ....and with your training i like the way you have set that up but i think you should take your bis and tries out of the split days and give tham a day to themselves .....just my 0.02c ...but i like the fact that this is your first post and you have given all the info needed ...congrats and welcome to AR

**ranging1** · 07-01-2009, 06:46 AM

thanx guys
with the dbol ive got 4 weeks worth just becoz i heard test takes awhile to build up in ur system, so im jus running the dbol until i notice the test well, im presuming no more then 2 weeks of dbol should be enough

currently ive been running that workout for past 2 weeks, but with a little less volume, i added 2 or 3 sets to that routine coz i thought anabolics would atleast help with that, but like i said i do want to increase the intensity jus not sure how far, how many sets you guys usually do while on anabolics?
i was thinking instead of adding sets to my workout i could jus workout more often instead

ill prob stick with this routine for now n see how i go,
i was thinking of using the routine that i found on this website http://www.steroid.com/workout.php
coz it seems to have relativaly a good theory behind it AND has a scienced based approach to it, its also easy to follow, simple and not confusing, but seems to me to have not enough frequency, eg 8 days break between bodyparts, thought that was abit long if i was running anabolics, any thoughts?

wat are ur thoughts of my diet, i want to gain some good size on this diet but obviously dont wanna gain alot of fat
obviously i know im going to have to gain some fat but dont wanna blow up, wat do yous think is a good calorie intake for best gains with minimal fat
i usually consume 3500 calories wen bulking naturally

**chuckt12345** · 07-01-2009, 08:04 AM

Cycle looks good but what is your pct? And if you dont know about it go read on the stickies

**sigman roid** · 07-01-2009, 08:31 AM

Also you wont start noticing any effects from the test till around week 4-5 imo

**ExtremeDude** · 07-01-2009, 08:37 AM

Test En takes about 4 weeks to kick in so you may want to take DBol for 4 weeks.

The guide line is 1.5 - 2g protein per pound body weight,
88kg x 2.2 = 193.6lbs x 2 = 387.2g protein.
So you could increase your protein a little.
Make sure you giving your body enough fats (flax seed oil, nuts, olive oil, *****, etc)

If you have the time you could change your workout from 3 days to 4 or even 5 days.
If you worried about fat add some cardio.

Agree with Free Will, run Test En for 12 weeks and 14 days after last pin start your PCT.

Good luck bud.

**ranging1** · 07-02-2009, 01:23 AM

cheers mates, for PCT i have both nolvadex n clomid, prob only use nolvadex
and ill prob run a little clen (40mcg) during my PCT to help keep cortisol levels down,
well if test takes 4 weeks den ill stay on the dbol for those 4 weeks

with the workout i was thinking stay with the workout im with now jus maybe change 1 or 2 exercises here and der to keep the body guessing e.g ill swap tricep press down for tricep extensions (nothing fancy)

with workoing out 4-5 times a week, im guessing ur talking about a longer split e.g monday back, bis, tuesday chest, tris, thursday legs, friday shoulders
dont really like those kind of splits since i believe personally in a push, pull, legs split just because it emphasises recovery and prevents overtraining

depending on my recovery abilities i was just going to workout more often if i recover fast, eg instead of a day break between each workout day i could eliminate 1 rest day

also thanks for the protein tip, any tips on how many carbs would be a good number?
im doing 500-600 atm, i think thats about right, any thoughts?
could people please tell me how many carbs they consume while der bulking on anabolics, also tell me ur weight since obviously if ur 300 pounds ur going to eat alot more carbs then me to bulk

**amateur88** · 07-02-2009, 01:30 AM

nice one bro, looks like you've done your research! makes a change tbh! Good luck with your cycle, my first was also dbol and test e. any questions just ask, there are some good blokes on here!

**xo3et** · 07-02-2009, 01:58 AM

Hi ranging1, you seem to have done a good amount of research which is a lot more than most who come here.

I am 5ft 11" 190lbs and my diet looks like this
Protein 364g
Carbs = 401g
Fat = 70g

Be sure to get EFA's into the diet, ie flax seed etc etc etc

You will want to run the dbol for 4 weeks and split the dose throughout the day, ie 10mg morning,10mg afternoon and 10mg in the evening before bed. I personally will be taking 40mg per day, i am still a cycle virgin so i am only commenting on what research i have done.

For PCT i would run the Clomid and Nolva, they both work in there own way, here is a thread so do some reading on it.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

Good luck man your need to spent a bit more time on your diet and get this SPOT ON as this is and will be the deciding factor in your gains and mostly keeping them.

**ranging1** · 07-03-2009, 01:58 AM

thanks guys
well yes ive been spliting up my dosages on the dbol , breakfast, lunch, dinner
was thinking about 40mg dbol but where im from steroids are FUKIN EXPENSIVE
my cycle and PCT combined are costing me 2000 australian $ at the monet
so upping the dosage to 40mg dbol rather costly lol, plus 30mg seems to be doin me alright so ill stik with that for now, might to 40mg in my 3rd n 4th week just coz antrogens become less sensitive so might up it for that week or 2
BUT not keen on that idea coz water this talk about water retention from dbol is im definetaly getting it around my waist line, ive gone from nice slim to havin a fanny pack sittin around my lower abdomine, dont mind though, i thought it looked funny, girlfriend doesnt care either

also jus thought i might aswell keep a log of how im progessing to c wat yous think
my theory is if i dont get stronger jus change my exercises n start uping the calories by 300-400
had leg workout 2day
machine squat: 185 kilogramsx9 thats 10 kilograms up from previous
45 degree leg press 430 kilograms, 10 kilograms up again
leg curls:88 kilograms, up 7
calf raises using 45 degree leg press: 200 kilograms x 15 up 20 kilograms
i also did normal leg press+bodyweight BUT the weight stack wasnt heavy enough, only goes up to 200 pounds not including my bodyweight, did 20 reps but couldve gone further n realsied find a better exercise
my gyms not exactly a bodybuilders gym either so not all the machines go up to 500 pounds (joke)

also diet was like this
breakfast: 4 cups cocopops, 1 litre skim milk (1 bowl cereal), 1 cup honey corn flakes with half litre skim milk, can of tune
PRE WORKOUT: NO XPLODE
POST WORKOUT: whey protein shake and powerade (sports drink) with creatine in it
LUNCH: 1 cup of uncooked rice (obviously i cooked it) with 3 tins of tuna
snack: wholegrain sanwich with chicken breast
2nd snack: wholegrain sandwhich with chicken breast
DINNER: misses cooked lean beef strips in a stew with rice, rekon i ate 3 fists size of meat with 3 cups of cooked rice
BEFORE BED:half litre skim milk with scoop of weigh protein
i felt i consumed adequate calories
think i totaled 280 protein, carbs 500, fat dunno

**xo3et** · 07-03-2009, 02:10 AM

ranging,1

Dude you need to weigh and keep on top of your macros. I really think you should get a set diet dude and spend a few hours working this out with Macros.

DIET is the key, can not stress this enough. Have a look at my diet as we are near the same height and weight. Got a idea what you can eat and stick too and plan it.

Here is my diet as an idea to start. POST 13
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=375972

**ExtremeDude** · 07-03-2009, 07:52 AM

Dude drop the cocpops & the cornflakes.
Get on over to the Diet section, lots of info.
You eat 6 cups of cooked rice a day ?
Let's sort youir diet then you good to go.

If you want, you can run DBol at 20mg per day (I jnow most of the guys here say take 40 - 50mg) but I find 20mg/day works for me & no sides.

**ranging1** · 07-03-2009, 09:11 PM

hey thanx guys
yea i know the coco pops n cornflakesd arent that good, but its my treat
im sort of one of those people that loves food and dont believe in really really strict diets just coz i enjoy eating food,
also as much as i love bodybuilding i dont live to have the perfect physique
i like to enjoy eating food, i know not the best BUT id be miserable if i had to eat alll wholegrain natural organic foods etc etc
also the rice is for carbs, its long grain so its lower in GI, also i have hard time eating huge amounts of calories n rice is pretty carb dense so makes life easier
also i know lot of people are saying 350 grams protein but i do think thats to much even on gear
im running this cycle for 12 weeks
i did lillte math
eating a minimum of 350 grams protein a day for 7 days a week over 12 weeks, taking into account proteins 30% thermogenic effect wen its digested (its broken down n not obsorbed) is equal to about 21 kilograms
convert that to pounds if 46 pounds
in all fairness i do not believe my body on anabolics will be able to add on 46 pounds of lean muscle from my protein consumption, theres also the fat and water retention to add into that
so safe number if say is 52-55 pounds minimum
i believe that to be a little extreme for weight gain considering how much anabolics im running
basically what im trying to say is i dont beleieve my body can utalise that much protein on anabolics, instead id think it would burn alot of that protein consumption
i think that much protein would onloy help me stay lean
id rather consume more carbs since it would improve glycogen levels (increase protein sysnthesis) and and since insulin is anabolic assist in growth and allow me to train harder n recover faster
i may gain more fat but i think id have better strength n mass gains
any thoughts?

**mize** · 07-04-2009, 07:34 AM

hello i'm new to this forum,and i'm just starting off with winstrol 45 mg tablets,i read some posts but just wondering the for best results,should i start with whole tablet or half? what about off days?
thx

**xo3et** · 07-04-2009, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by mize

hello i'm new to this forum,and i'm just starting off with winstrol 45 mg tablets,i read some posts but just wondering the for best results,should i start with whole tablet or half? what about off days?
thx

Start your own thread dude

**ranging1** · 07-05-2009, 01:38 AM

lol yea please start ur own thread lol
other people help me out here on my cycle
opinions, suggestions, ideas on either my diet or workout please reccomend
im looking for experiences with anabolics so i can get more out of my cyle
ALSO omg dbol is great, makes ur muscle glycogen stores so fukin high n full
dont think my muscles have even felt this good ever
still waiting for the test to kik in, injected another 250mg 2day
2dai had my back workout
all lifts have gone up
except my one arm dumbell rows which i only got 46kilograms, down from 48
but i think thats because my arms were fatigued from doing chin ups and lat pull downs before it, or maybe i might have overtrained slightly
also my pumps are great, my bodyweight hasnt gone up yet, maybe a kilogram or 2 but strength is growing
going to increase my calorie intake in a day or 2 if the scale doesnt go up
so side effects except water retention so far, but ive got alot of water retention i must admit that
my workout 2day was as follows
2 sets lat machine rows: 110 kilograms 8 reps, 103 kilograms 10 reps
1 set weighted chin ups: 12 reps with 20kilograms added
2 sets one arm dumbell rows: 46 kilograms 10 reps
1 set upright rows: cant remmeber wat weight
2 sets shrugs: 56 kilograms 15 reps
2 sets hammer curls, cant remeber wat weight again
2 sets hyper extensions: 15 reps plus holding 45 kilograms
2 sets forearm dumbell curls
i didnt do my deadlifts just because i did my leg workout 2 days previously n legs still feel a litlle sore, so didnt wanna risk overtraining

also as i outlined previously in my workout, i said i would have rest days between each workout
turns out this was my last 5 days schedule
days 1 : chest, shoulders triceps
day 2: back, biceps, forearms
day 3: legs, calves
day 4: chest, triceps, shoulders
day 5 (2day): back, biceps, forearms
as u can see no rest day

probably not the best idea, i wasnt going to train 2day, but i woke up and just felt so good n strong i thought id train again
2morow WILL be a day off

also 2days diet was as follows
10am: BREAKFAST, 2 litres skim milk with 4 cups of cereal, 1 tin tuna
11am : preworkout no xplode BSN, 2scoops
12:30 post workout, 45 grams whey protein, sports drink with creatine
1:30 LUNCH: 1 cup uncooked rice with 3 tins tuna
3:00 SNACK: wholgrain sandwich with fat free cheese slices (its awesome basically its got some carbs, close to no fat, and heaps of protein each slice)
5:00 SNACK: wholgrain sandwhich with turkey
7:00 DINNER: 2 bowls pasta, 2 chicken breasts
11:00 BEFORE BED: glass skim milk n tin of tuna

**ranging1** · 07-05-2009, 11:58 PM

ok so i said 2day would be a rest day
didnt end up happening
woke up n again felt great
so thought id train legs n calves again 2day
i know again wrong idea, i need a recovery day but felt to good
this was my workout
2 sets machine leg press
1 set 45 degree leg press
2 sets legs curls
2 sets calf raises
and sum ab work, crunches, lying leg raises, crunches with legs raised, double crunch (superset)
i know its not alot of vulume but my last leg workout was 3 days ago
also i think im going to train with a higher frequency then higher volume.
meaning less sets per body part but workout more often
this principle has worked well for me in the past
anyways it was a great workout
machine leg press 195 kilogramsx9 reps, up 10kg again
45 degree leg press, 440 kilograms, up 10kg again
leg curls: 88 kilograms but 15 reps, so reps have increased
calf raises using 45 degree leg press: 240 kilogramsx15, up 40 kg!!!!!!

my bodyweight 89.3 kg, up 1.3
by the way dbol has been increased to 40mg daily

diet for 2day cant outline fully but heres it so far
BREAKFAST: 4 cups cereal, 2 litres skim milk and a protein bar
lunch: cup of uncooked rice, 2 chicken breasts
preworkout: nano vapour, changed product coz it was on special, figured it aint steroids so why spend alot of money for a supplements marketing skills
have to admit though love seeing them chuk on a 300 pounds bodybuilder ****** to shreds saying i got HUGE and gained 40 pounds in 1 month through this product, lmfao even better wen the sales man tryed to sell me some protein powder telling me itll get me huge like the guy on the cover, i laughed n told him he was full of shit,
funny thing was what he said was exactly what the tub said on it
clearly telling me this guy had no idea what he was talking about
not to mention he was one fat bastard with about the same muscle mass as a high scool cheerleader
neways back to my diet
POST WORKOUT: protein shake, sports drink and creatine
the rets of the day not to sure yet
but ill eat alot

**ranging1** · 07-06-2009, 12:02 AM

by the way dont forget to give me advice, opinions, suggestions while im running my cycle on diet, anabolics, workout, rest, sleep etc etc
i will consider everything and listen to anything

**ninesecz** · 07-06-2009, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by mize

hello i'm new to this forum,and i'm just starting off with winstrol 45 mg tablets,i read some posts but just wondering the for best results,should i start with whole tablet or half? what about off days?
thx

If you are doing oral winstrol only i will tell you how to take them....STOP that is horrible for you and will not do anything! need test to run that and an oral only cycle is no good to do ever!

**ranging1** · 07-06-2009, 08:21 PM

ok so 2day results
body weight 89.8kg
2day workout was chest/triceps/shoulders
workout was as follows
2 sets bench press
2 sets dips added weight
2 sets barbell shoulder press
1 set arnold press
2 sets bench dips added weight
2 sets lateral raises
2 sets flys
1 set tricep press down
again all lifts have gone up
best increases are in my dips 10 reps with 24kg added, up +4kg
bench dips 12 reps with 85kg added, up 10kg
bench press was weird, bench 90kg 12 reps, not much of an improvment but felt alot easier the first few reps den previously
the rest of my exercises have gone up by small amounts of rep increases

i think 2day i shouldve probably had a rest day since didnt feel fantastic, or thats probably coz i got home late from work last night n had to get up early 2day to workout before went back to work
either way happy with my strength improvments, seems that my strength is going up faster then what my weight is, which i wasnt expecting considering im using dbol

any opinions or suggestions anyone?

**CptAmericaX** · 07-06-2009, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by ExtremeDude

Test En takes about 4 weeks to kick in so you may want to take DBol for 4 weeks.

The guide line is 1.5 - 2g protein per pound body weight,
88kg x 2.2 = 193.6lbs x 2 = 387.2g protein.
So you could increase your protein a little.
Make sure you giving your body enough fats (flax seed oil, nuts, olive oil, *****, etc)

If you have the time you could change your workout from 3 days to 4 or even 5 days.
If you worried about fat add some cardio.

Agree with Free Will, run Test En for 12 weeks and 14 days after last pin start your PCT.

Good luck bud.

he defniatly had dbol for 4 weeks posted

**ranging1** · 07-07-2009, 03:47 AM

yea obviusly the dbol was posted

also i was thinking of increasing my test ethanate doseage to 600mg for weeks 9 and 10
and running 400mg weeks 11 and 12
since antrogens become less responisve and sensitive to my hormone levels over time and thats mainly why gains usually tamper off the further into a cycle
so i thought raise it to 600mg for weeks 9 and 10 to compernsate for this, and then 11 and 12 run 400mg just coz wen i begin my PCT its easier to recover since theres less test in me
wat do u guys think?

**starboots** · 07-07-2009, 12:14 PM

I am currently taking Test-E and no dbol the first 4 weeks. Don't think that you need the dbol for your cycle to work, just taking test-e alone is more than enough. You will still grow like a weed.

**ranging1** · 07-07-2009, 08:12 PM

thanks mate
i think i do need the dbol just because i havent felt anythin from the test e just yet
havent had an increase in sex drive or any side effects wat so ever, nothing thats showing signs of the test ethanate just yet, but i am only a week and a half into my cycle so far, ill drop the dbol once i think i feel ANYTHING from the test, only because its costing me more n more, for every dbol i take lol
also had my back workout 2dai
if anyone wants to know i train body parts twice a week but with lower volume
my bodyweight 2dai was 90.4kg
lifts were
2 sets lat row 110kg for 9 reps, 1 rep up

1 set chinups, i got 2 extra reps then last time
i started to do dumbell rows but felt sore from last workout so didnt do them, i think ill do dumbell rows only once a week so i recover better, meaning ill do them next workout, just because i do think there being overtrained, which is weird i thought considering im on 40mg of dbol daily
2 sets of dumbell shrugs, 58kg 15 reps, up 2kgs each
2 sets of hyper extensions: 15 reps with 45 kg, up 5 kg
didnt do deadlifts just becuase my legs and ass were still sore, so ill do them next workout with my shrugs
i also did sum ab work
thats it
any suggestions?

**ranging1** · 07-08-2009, 07:25 PM

ok 2day was my leg workout
bodyeight 90.6
my leg workout was as follows
1 set machine squat
2 sets squat
1 set 45 degree leg press
2 sets leg curls
2 sets calf raises using 45 degree leg press
my strength gains were
squat 150kg 6 reps, up 10kg
machine squat 200kg 9 reps, up 5kg again but i think ill change exercise since its really hurting my shoulders
leg curl 92kg, 15 reps up 4kg
calf raises using 45 degree leg press machine 260kg, 15 reps, up 20kg

SUGGESTIONS anyone?
i think im starting to feel th test, its neally been 2 weeks into my cycle
i dont really feel it well BUT wen i first started taking the dbol i lost ALOT of my sex drive, it was prett bad, wen first started using it i had to stall sex wif my misses for about 20mins of foreplay before i could get it up, n it was a pretty lousy phat
last night came back home from movies after watching BRUNO, funny movie by the way
and just mauled ma misses

she couldnt walk wen i was done with her, have to say never felt so proud in my life

anyways abut my program, diet and cycle anyone have some suggestions?

**ranging1** · 07-09-2009, 09:20 PM

ok so 2dai was my chest, shoulders, tricep workout
bodyweight 91.2kg
2dais workout was as follows
2 sets decline bench press
2 sets weighted dips
2 sets barbell shoulder press
1 set dumbell shoulders press
2 sets bench dips wih added weights
1 set lateral raises
2 sets skull crushers
2 sets machine flys
then abdominal work
strength again had gone up
decline bench press is now 90kg, the same as my flat bench

bench dips are now with 85kg added, up 5kg
dips with 26kg added, up 2kg
the rest of my lifts have also gone up
my legs feel great from yesterdays workout, hardly any pain so i think ill do deadlifts
2morow,
diet so far is as follows
BREAKFAST: 4 cups of cereal(usually muesli, cocpops, wheat honey fakes, etc, they all have aprox same nutrition values} with 2 litres skim milk
PRE WORKOUT: 2 scoops nano vapour
post workout: protein shake, sports drink with creatine
LUNCH: cup of uncooked rice (obviously cooked) with 40-50gram protein source
snack: wholegrain sanwich with chicken breat
snack 2: wholegrain sandwich with lean ham or turkey
dinner: its varies, last night i had beef raviollli, a good large bowl serving, with a steak
before bed: protein shake mixed with skim milk
diet hasnt changed much since im still gaining strength and weight
ill up th calories en i see weight gain slowing, or strength gain slowing
recovery abilities are getting better and better so i think the test is starting to have a small effect, also wen dbols active life use to end it felt like all my muscle glycogen had left me, now it seems im holding onto more glycogen in my muscles wen dbols where off, im guessing thats from the test building up in me
im 2 weeks into my cycle now
water retention is becoming abit annoying, i go from looking very full and strong sometimes, to puffy and small belly, but the belly looks weird coz it doesnt look like a fat belly, nor does it feel like it
i can suk my abs in and have wat i call a spare tire around my waist
im not fussed but it comes and goes
usualy gets bad towards the end of the night after dinner wen im relaxing n chugging down few litres of diet soft dirink, i seem to hold onto everything i drink at nighttime
,owell
any comments anyone or suggestions?
also dont need a comment on my diet soft drink intake, its wat keeps me sane from eating all healthy foods, and stops me from cravinf junk food

**Reed** · 07-09-2009, 09:25 PM

The diet could use tweaking big time. You don't have any idea the amounts you are eating, how much protein, carbs, fats, or calories.

No protein source in the morning. Egg whites maybe a steak. And how many carbs is that in the 4 cups of cereal.

Its best to figure these things out in order to know that you will grow as you will gain strength and weight but will it be water weight or lean muscle and will you be able to hold it come PCT time????

**ranging1** · 07-10-2009, 12:53 AM

soz yea i do know my diet intake here it is
breakfast: 200 carbs with 60 gram protein
pre workout 20 carbs
post workout 45 protein, 45 carbs
lunch 50 protein, 130 carbs
snack 30 carbs, 40 protein
snack 2 30 carbs, 40 protein
dinner 100-150 carbs with 50-60 grams protein
before bed, 30 grams protein, 10 carbs
fats wuldnt know, but i eat all lean carb and protein sources so fats just come naturally

also if u d have an opinions on my diet, pleae dont recommend more protein
i am a strong believer in u dont need that much protein, 400 grams or so is ridiculous, u body cant utalise that much, also i find i dont gain much size on a higher protein ratio and i cant train as hard or recover as fast

**ranging1** · 07-10-2009, 08:17 PM

ok back, traps, forearms 2day
2 sets dumbell rows
1 set upright rows
2 sets deadlifts
2 sets shrugs
2 sets forearm curls
body weight 91.4kg
dumbell rows are back up to 48kg, ive fixed my probem of overtraining by spliting my 2 back workouts, one workout i focus on rhomboids, lower back and traps (2dai), and second i focus on laterals and biceps
anyways deadlift was 180kg for 12 reps clean 2dai, didnt even touch the ground
had great pumps also

had ma test shot last night, fukin hurt this one, worst pain ever, i could feeel the liquid running into my ass, dunno why this one hurt so much
im exactly 2 weks into my cycle now also
i woke up this morning and i looked GREAT, alot of the water weight ive been carrying seems to be cycling, one hour im carrying heaps, the next im lean again
really weird
thismorning i looked prob leaner then i ever have been, i also looked alot bigger, definealty made me feel GREAT and motivated
suggestions?

**ranging1** · 07-12-2009, 01:35 AM

OK so ive noticed alot of people are viewing this post to see what progress ive made n how my cycle is going
MAY I REMIND U IF UR READING THIS, I ALSO WANT ADVICE
SO IF U THINK OF ANYTHING OR HAVE AN OPINION, (POST IT)
i will consider it, and think about it no matter what

aslong as its not stupid

anyways 2day was my legs, and calves day
last night it was mates 21st and we all got together n hit the clubs
me n the missesn rest ma friends thought we would drop a few bikis (xtc)
anyways we did
we all rocked out from about 10pm to id say 5 in the morning
by time i got home it was neally 7am
went to bed n took like 5 times the reccomended dosage of sleeping tablets n hope id put me to sleep
didnt do shit for sleep turns out
what it did do was make my body weigh like concrete, basically i was pinned to my bed because i couldnt lift ma self up or open my eyes coz i felt so heavy, felt like der was a fukin truck ontop of me
couldnt even get up to go toilet, everytime i tried i got about a centimetre off ma bed, then bang, bak down
wasnt till about 12 noon i could get up
i was going to skip ma workout but friend weanted to go gym so thought might aswell, even though i was soooooooooooooooooooo tiered and wrecked
i call it scattered
went gym
UNBELIEVABLY i had a great workout
2 sets machine squat
2 sets sqaut
2 sets leg curls
2 sets calves raises using 45 degree leg press
squat was 153kg for 10 reps, couldve gone further but i was to tiered
i also did DEEP machine squats, i got 155kg for 10 reps
leg curls were 98kg, 15 reps
calves were 280kg for 15 reps
so i was happy that my strength had gone up
weighed maself and came in at 90.2 so i lost a kilogram but im guessing thats mostly water weight ive lost, that was caused by my night out
eating today was a pain considering ma appetite had been crushed by bikis, so i literally force fed myself my cereal,a dn my post workout shake
im sooooooooo NOT looking forward to dinner, its going to be a struggle
owell
BY THE WAY, dont post saying dont do drugs while on a cycle, i know this already,
but even ona cycle i wanna enjoy maself once in an occasion, so no comments der PLEASE

**ranging1** · 07-13-2009, 01:55 AM

ok so 2dais workout was chest, shoulders, triceps
2 sets decline
2 sets dips
2 sets bench dips
2 sets barbell shoulders press
1 set barbell shoulder press behind neck
2 sets lateral raises
1 set tricep extensions
2 sets machine flys

ok so al my lifts went up EXCEPT ma triceps extension and bench dips
bench dips i was stuck on 85kg added in my lap, i wasnt able to lift more becoz training partner took neally 2 minutes to put the weight in my lap, and he alo put them off balance so i ws struggling to keep them on my lap
DOES ANYONE HAVE A SUGGESTION? or different exercise to fix this problem
my tricep extensions also didnt go up but i think thats becoz they were fatigued from my decline presses, and dips

my decline press was 12 reps of 92kg 2dai
my dips were 28kg added, for 10 reps
and y flys have gone up also
bodyweight is now 92.4 kg
but i think alot of that is water weight as 2dai i woke up looking rather puffy n soft, s could have been due to that

**ranging1** · 07-13-2009, 09:20 PM

ok so 2dai bodyweight 92.2 kg
down in weight but not fussed because yesterday i was carrying alot of water weight wen i weighed maself
2dai i woke up feeling a lot leaner and less puffy and bloated
i did my back, traps, and fprearms 2dai
lat row i was able to get 117 for 12 reps, so ive improved again by 7kg
chinups i was able to get anther 5 or 6 reps out extra
im now doing barbell shrugs, i was able to get 15 reps of 110 kg
stength continues to improve so im happy

im also looking alot more fuller and glucosed up

had ma test shot last night, went in alot smoother then usual, so helped