Oral tren

[strength_addict14]

I am curious if other orals can be run with oral tren . I know it is very hepatoxic, just wondering. Winstrol is really what I was considering with it.

[ninesecz]

I was just going to open a thread over here for this! Anyone here ever used it or familiar with this product. The people on other boards are saying to run it at 500-750mcg a day for 4 weeks. wondering if there is any good gains to be made with this methylated trenbolone ? Any input would be great! It is inexpensive enough that I am thinking about givin it a try!

[strength_addict14]

Yeah four weeks is the agreed upon length of time, I just dont know about it in conjuction with other orals.

[Noles12]

I just saw it and im thinking of running it in september alongside some test. I probably wont run it with any other orals because like you said it is very harsh on your liver

[T-MOS]

I was just going to open a thread over here for this! Anyone here ever used it or familiar with this product. The people on other boards are saying to run it at 500-750mcg a day for 4 weeks. wondering if there is any good gains to be made with this methylated trenbolone? Any input would be great! It is inexpensive enough that I am thinking about givin it a try!

I just got some of the injectable methyl tren and will be logging an experiment with it next month

I don't like the idea of using another oral with the oral version as it is said to be highly liver toxic and jaundice is a known side with it

[Noles12]

Sorry to jijack on this but does anyone know the detection time of the oral tren

[strength_addict14]

I just got some of the injectable methyl tren and will be logging an experiment with it next month

I don't like the idea of using another oral with the oral version as it is said to be highly liver toxic and jaundice is a known side with it

I will be looking forward to your log T. I am very curious about this type of compound.

[Dukkit]

i have a feeling ill OD on this stuff

lol

im very interested in this compound

gotta do more research of course first

[strength_addict14]

I would assume that you could do two small 3-4 week runs of it in a standard 12 week cycle given you take a month or so break inbetween

[ninesecz]

Yes that was another ?? If I run 16 week cycle of my testosterone @ 5oomg Ew can I run this oral on lets say weeks 5,6,7 then again on week 10,11,12 the maybe weeks 14,15,16?? As long I run Liv 52 and Milk Thistle throughout the whole cycle!

[ninesecz]

I just got some of the injectable methyl tren and will be logging an experiment with it next month

I don't like the idea of using another oral with the oral version as it is said to be highly liver toxic and jaundice is a known side with it

What is the injectable Methyl Tren Vs Tren Acetate?

[T-MOS]

What is the injectable Methyl Tren Vs Tren Acetate?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199853

[Phate]

I am curious if other orals can be run with oral tren. I know it is very hepatoxic, just wondering. Winstrol is really what I was considering with it.

not a good idea, mg for mg winny is very hepatotoxic as well, not a good combo IMO

[Loaded61]

I just got some of the injectable methyl tren and will be logging an experiment with it next month

I don't like the idea of using another oral with the oral version as it is said to be highly liver toxic and jaundice is a known side with it

What is jaundice?

[Immortal Soldier]

Let this be said again and again:

Oral tren is not for the average steroid user. Just like Tren ace is not for the average steroid user, this should be done only by those who understand the compound and those who are veterans of steroid use. This is for safety purposes only since the amount of information on oral tren is limited and everything points to it being to harsh to even think about (ie. go read BigCat's write up on it)

Oral tren is very harsh on the liver, under no circumstances should other orals be combined with oral tren especially winstrol and anadrol. That is just stupid and you aren't giving oral tren the respect it deserves and you are falling into the "more is better" way of thinking

Yes that was another ?? If I run 16 week cycle of my testosterone @ 5oomg Ew can I run this oral on lets say weeks 5,6,7 then again on week 10,11,12 the maybe weeks 14,15,16?? As long I run Liv 52 and Milk Thistle throughout the whole cycle!

No offense, but you shouldn't even be thinking about oral tren from a cycle standpoint, experience standpoint, and where you are with your body at this point. But it is your choice.

And that protocol should def. not be followed it does not take the liver 4 weeks to to clean itself. You are putting the liver under constant stress along with the rest of your body, oral tren has sides that are even worse than tren ace from what I have read.

There is a reason why there is such little information available about oral tren and that is because it is not a compound any mainstream steroid user uses. People can really mess themeselves up on this compound. Even taking the recommended dosages there were be people who cant stand the sides and the symptoms of a liver under stress (smelly urine/dark urine) and will quit.


Please don't treat this compound like its nothing, treat it with respect and don't abuse it. This compound has been reported to have had a hand in around 200 deaths worldwide. It can cause the beginning symptoms of liver problems in as little as a month and liver failure in just a few months.

[Immortal Soldier]

Sorry to jijack on this but does anyone know the detection time of the oral tren

It has a half life of around 6 hours and its thought to be detectable for around 6 weeks, but since no extensive testing has not been done on it, the detection time period isn't completely known.

[strength_addict14]

It has a half life of around 6 hours and its thought to be detectable for around 6 weeks, but since no extensive testing has not been done on it, the detection time period isn't completely known.

Not to be an a-hole here, but you seem to have a lot of oppinions on a compound that you yourself admit has not had much testing. I just asked a question that i was curious about. No need to use the billboard font bro. Thank you for the info however.

[T-MOS]

What is jaundice?

Jaundice is a yellowish discoloration of the skin and of the whites of the eyes caused by abnormally high levels of the pigment bilirubin in the bloodstream.
Photographs

Jaundice
Jaundice

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Liver damage or a blockage in a bile duct can cause jaundice.
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The skin and whites of the eyes look yellow, the skin may itch, and urine is often dark.
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Laboratory and often imaging tests help identify the cause.
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Often, jaundice disappears as its cause resolves, but surgery or endoscopy is sometimes needed.

Old or damaged red blood cells are constantly being removed from the circulation, mainly by the spleen. During this process, hemoglobin, the part of red blood cells that carries oxygen, is broken down into a dark greenish yellow pigment called bilirubin. Bilirubin is then carried in the bloodstream to the liver and is excreted into the intestine as a component of bile (the digestive fluid produced by the liver). If bilirubin cannot be excreted into bile quickly enough, it builds up in the blood. The excess bilirubin is deposited in the skin, resulting in the yellowish discoloration called jaundice.


Did You Know...

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Eating too many carrots can make the skin look yellow but does not cause jaundice.

Causes

High levels of bilirubin in the blood may result from problems originating either within the liver or outside the liver. Damage to the liver, such as that due to inflammation or scarring, can impair its ability to excrete bilirubin into bile. Alternatively, the bile ducts, which carry bile from the liver to the small intestine, may be blocked, for example, by a gallstone or a tumor. Less commonly, overproduction of bilirubin, due to excessive breakdown of red blood cells, can overwhelm the liver with more bilirubin than the liver is capable of processing. Overproduction is most common in newborns with jaundice (see Problems in Newborns: Hyperbilirubinemia).

In Gilbert's syndrome, bilirubin levels are slightly increased but usually not enough to cause jaundice. This disorder, which is sometimes hereditary, is most often detected in young adults during routine screening tests. It causes no other symptoms and no problems.

The skin of people who eat large amounts of food rich in beta-carotene (such as carrots, squash, and some melons) may develop a mild yellow tint, but their eyes do not turn yellow. This condition is not jaundice and is unrelated to liver disease.

Symptoms

In jaundice, the skin and whites of the eyes appear yellow. Urine is often dark because excess bilirubin is excreted through the kidneys. People may have itching, light-colored stools, or other symptoms, depending on the cause of jaundice. For example, acute inflammation of the liver (acute hepatitis) may cause loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, and fever. Blockage of bile may result in abdominal pain and fever.

[T-MOS]

Not to be an a-hole here, but you seem to have a lot of oppinions on a compound that you yourself admit has not had much testing. I just asked a question that i was curious about. No need to use the billboard font bro. Thank you for the info however.

I have a lab rat that will be doing an extensive experiment and logging it. BUT

Immortal Soldier is correct.....this is NOT a compound for the average steroid user.......I have 10 years of cycle experience, and several Tren cycles under my belt. I know pretty much what every compound does to me in regards to side effects, and how gyno prone I am along with how to deal with those sides.


Please do not take this compound lightly. I chose to go with injectable JUST because Even I am afraid of the oral version.....not that the injectable will be much less toxic, but I would rather inject it

[Immortal Soldier]

Recommended proctocl for using oral tren (methyltrienolone)


Have blood work done before and after cycle

Keep cycles short 3-4, with 4 weeks being the maximum

Keep dosages within 500mcg-750mcg, split dosages up. Half life is around 6 hours. So one dose in the morning and one in the afternoon would be wise. (tabs are usually dosed at 250mcg)

First time users must watch their body very carefully for any signs of jaundice appearing (sign of weakening liver)

Liver support should be taken before and after the cycle begins. During will not help the liver enough as methyltren will continue battering the liver while on. It's like trying to build a house during a hurricane.

Methyltren has the ability to enhance the estrogenic side effects that may result from taking other aromatizing drugs while on cycle

Side Effects

• Harsh on the hair, if you are predisposed to MPB you will lose hair maybe even more than on Tren ace
• prostate enlargement
• oily skin
• acne (especially on the back/shoulders)
• breast growth and lactation (it is a progestin and like any 19-nor it increases prolactin levels)

Ancillaries that can help with side effects:

• caber or bromo
• vitamin b6
• Letro

WARNING: Methyltrienolone was deemed too hepatoxic for commerical human use by the company that originally developed it. This is one of the most harshest steroids on the liver if not the harshest. Liver values will be elevated while using methyltren. Liver damage can become a huge risk if the user does not follow necessary protocol and goes outside the recommended dosage and and time frame that has been outlined especially if the user has any liver abnormalities. The use of other 17-alpha alkyated steroids steroids at the same time or within the same proximity of the use of oral tren is prohibited for safety reasons.


Sources:

http://www.**********online.com/prof...ienolone.shtml

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catmetri.htm

[strength_addict14]

Good info Immortal. The reason this form of tren appealed to me is for competions. I could jump on maybe a couple of weeks out and then drop it after the meet. How do you guys feel that would work out? Hell most of the time 1st and second place are just 10-20 lbs from each other.

[Immortal Soldier]

Not to be an a-hole here, but you seem to have a lot of oppinions on a compound that you yourself admit has not had much testing. I just asked a question that i was curious about. No need to use the billboard font bro. Thank you for the info however.

I am sorry if I came off as being "overbearing" or "condescending", people truly don't understand this compound for what its worth. I do not claim to be expert and I want everyone to know that. I am not an expert on methyltrienolone

However, I have been researching and reading people experiences who have used it thus far across several boards and through articles with people who are steroid veterans. The knowledge I pass to you guys is from what i have read, heard, and been told.

This compound is not something to be joking around with, and sorry for the billboard font but when I see someone (in this case you) saying "I would assume that you could do two small 3-4 week runs of it in a standard 12 week cycle given you take a month or so break inbetween" it kind of pisses me off because you are giving people advice that can very well hurt them. This isn't you intention of course, because not many know about methyltren, but those who do know will say it isn't even a compound worth touching because of the effects. (Big Cat being one of them).

Even when people follow the recommend protocol and dosage, I have been told by someone that even at 500mcg/day by week 2 they couldnt take the side effects and the feeling like shit all day and had to stop. So this compound even while following properly protocol might be too much for some users.


I speak for the safety of those who use it, I have no other motives. If anyone finds something they find wrong or disagree with let me know, like I said I am not an expert on methyltrienolone use, I will be using it in my next cycle after researching. But everything I say is based off of what I have read, researched, and heard.

[Immortal Soldier]

Good info Immortal. The reason this form of tren appealed to me is for competions. I could jump on maybe a couple of weeks out and then drop it after the meet. How do you guys feel that would work out? Hell most of the time 1st and second place are just 10-20 lbs from each other.

Methlytren is good for cutting as well as bulking, one reason it is good for cutting is because it can bind to AR in adipose tissue which in turn result in higher than normal lipolytic action. Furthermore, it has has some unique anti-catabolic abilities. It binds to recptors that interact with glucocorticoid hormones (catabolic hormones). Thus by inhibiting cortisol and other catabolic hormones it can be ideal for those attempting to reduce body fat while minimizing muscle loss on when running a calorie deficit.

source:
http://www.**********online.com/prof...ienolone.shtml

[strength_addict14]

I am sorry if I came off as being "overbearing" or "condescending", people truly don't understand this compound for what its worth. I do not claim to be expert and I want everyone to know that. I am not an expert on methyltrienolone

However, I have been researching and reading people experiences who have used it thus far across several boards and through articles with people who are steroid veterans. The knowledge I pass to you guys is from what i have read, heard, and been told.

This compound is not something to be joking around with, and sorry for the billboard font but when I see someone (in this case you) saying "I would assume that you could do two small 3-4 week runs of it in a standard 12 week cycle given you take a month or so break inbetween" it kind of pisses me off because you are giving people advice that can very well hurt them. This isn't you intention of course, because not many know about methyltren, but those who do know will say it isn't even a compound worth touching because of the effects. (Big Cat being one of them).

Even when people follow the recommend protocol and dosage, I have been told by someone that even at 500mcg/day by week 2 they couldnt take the side effects and the feeling like shit all day and had to stop. So this compound even while following properly protocol might be too much for some users.


I speak for the safety of those who use it, I have no other motives. If anyone finds something they find wrong or disagree with let me know, like I said I am not an expert on methyltrienolone use, I will be using it in my next cycle after researching. But everything I say is based off of what I have read, researched, and heard.

No worries from me man. I know everyone on this board tries to help/protect everyone else which is of course good. I am like you in the fact that i read everything i can get my hands on, methyltrienolone was one compound that I have not had much luck digging up information on. Thats why I come here to ask questions if needed, and fortunately I always get the help need. If I have to endure a little sarcasm and bold print from time to time thats the price i am willing to pay, haha.

[strength_addict14]

Methlytren is good for cutting as well as bulking, one reason it is good for cutting is because it can bind to AR in adipose tissue which in turn result in higher than normal lipolytic action. Furthermore, it has has some unique anti-catabolic abilities. It binds to recptors that interact with glucocorticoid hormones (catabolic hormones). Thus by inhibiting cortisol and other catabolic hormones it can be ideal for those attempting to reduce body fat while minimizing muscle loss on when running a calorie deficit.

source:
http://www.**********online.com/prof...ienolone.shtml

Im a dummy .... I meant powerlifting comps bro.

[Immortal Soldier]

Im a dummy .... I meant powerlifting comps bro.

Eleven of the fourteen members of the Greek National Weightlifting Team [had] tested positve for the anabolic steroid methyltrienolone. Both samples A and B were positive for the steroid. This [resulted] in the expulsion of the entire Greek Weightlifting Team from the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

I hope that answers your question

[strength_addict14]

Damn dirty Greeks. Well you talked me out of it then back into it again.

[Immortal Soldier]

Damn dirty Greeks. Well you talked me out of it then back into it again.

Hey man, if you are competing and you are really serious about it. Do what you go to do. Just be careful that is all.

I just dont want n00bs jumping on this compound because they think it will make them the hulk and then they **** themselves up on it.

[T-MOS]

Eleven of the fourteen members of the Greek National Weightlifting Team [had] tested positve for the anabolic steroid methyltrienolone. Both samples A and B were positive for the steroid. This [resulted] in the expulsion of the entire Greek Weightlifting Team from the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

I hope that answers your question

Hey, Immortal,

What are your thoughts on the Injectable form of it. I know Tripmachine is using it now, and although he is using other compounds, he claims he is NOT having sides from it yet??

My experiment will be with the Methyl Tren alone with just a small amount of test to get a truer experience with it

[ninesecz]

Let this be said again and again:

Oral tren is not for the average steroid user. Just like Tren ace is not for the average steroid user, this should be done only by those who understand the compound and those who are veterans of steroid use. This is for safety purposes only since the amount of information on oral tren is limited and everything points to it being to harsh to even think about (ie. go read BigCat's write up on it)

Oral tren is very harsh on the liver, under no circumstances should other orals be combined with oral tren especially winstrol and anadrol. That is just stupid and you aren't giving oral tren the respect it deserves and you are falling into the "more is better" way of thinking



No offense, but you shouldn't even be thinking about oral tren from a cycle standpoint, experience standpoint, and where you are with your body at this point. But it is your choice.

And that protocol should def. not be followed it does not take the liver 4 weeks to to clean itself. You are putting the liver under constant stress along with the rest of your body, oral tren has sides that are even worse than tren ace from what I have read.

There is a reason why there is such little information available about oral tren and that is because it is not a compound any mainstream steroid user uses. People can really mess themeselves up on this compound. Even taking the recommended dosages there were be people who cant stand the sides and the symptoms of a liver under stress (smelly urine/dark urine) and will quit.


Please don't treat this compound like its nothing, treat it with respect and don't abuse it. This compound has been reported to have had a hand in around 200 deaths worldwide. It can cause the beginning symptoms of liver problems in as little as a month and liver failure in just a few months.

I never take offense to things said on here. I would never ru it like that especially my 1st time but I was just wondering if people were cycling it like that. I am not sure about not having the experience. I have a doctor who monitors me completely, I have used tren before and understand and know the sides! I know my body very very well and on top of that I am not an idiot who is going to see jaundice or something and not know what is going on! I was actually going to just run it at 250mcg for 4 weeks 125mcg in the am, 125mcg in the afternoon. I think this would show whether or not it was worth it for me to keep taking and then if it seems something worth doing, I can next time I cycle try it at 500mcg a day! I would never ever go above that for any reason! and at that dose I would probably only do 3 weeks not 4! I would also be on Liv X and milk thistle the entire time! I know that some of you here have much more experience than I do as there is people out there that have much more experience than you guys! but the simple fact is that even if I waited till next year or the year after to try it, I am not going to be any more suited or in any better situation than I am in now to do it! I do all the research I can, I always read everything there is to read about the compounds I do and I do not take the use of AAS lightly ! I am well aware they are dangerous and should be handled with "kid gloves" If you look you would see I am trying very hard to find even a few people that have ran the oral tren, I can not seem to find any! I would actually not touch it even if I have it in front of me until I at least see 1 or 2 posts from someone who has actually ran it for 4 weeks I have yet to see that though!

[T-MOS]

I never take offense to things said on here. I would never ru it like that especially my 1st time but I was just wondering if people were cycling it like that. I am not sure about not having the experience. I have a doctor who monitors me completely, I have used tren before and understand and know the sides! I know my body very very well and on top of that I am not an idiot who is going to see jaundice or something and not know what is going on! I was actually going to just run it at 250mcg for 4 weeks 125mcg in the am, 125mcg in the afternoon. I think this would show whether or not it was worth it for me to keep taking and then if it seems something worth doing, I can next time I cycle try it at 500mcg a day! I would never ever go above that for any reason! and at that dose I would probably only do 3 weeks not 4! I would also be on Liv X and milk thistle the entire time! I know that some of you here have much more experience than I do as there is people out there that have much more experience than you guys! but the simple fact is that even if I waited till next year or the year after to try it, I am not going to be any more suited or in any better situation than I am in now to do it! I do all the research I can, I always read everything there is to read about the compounds I do and I do not take the use of AAS lightly ! I am well aware they are dangerous and should be handled with "kid gloves" If you look you would see I am trying very hard to find even a few people that have ran the oral tren, I can not seem to find any! I would actually not touch it even if I have it in front of me until I at least see 1 or 2 posts from someone who has actually ran it for 4 weeks I have yet to see that though!

Have you read this log on Mtren??

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=364534

[Phate]

hmmmm...this stuff sounds fun, maybe i should run it as my first cycle?/

what ya'll think?

[T-MOS]

hmmmm...this stuff sounds fun, maybe i should run it as my first cycle?/

what ya'll think?

only if you run it without any test so we can really see its true effects

[Phate]

only if you run it without any test so we can really see its true effects

sounds good, you run with test and i'll run solo, whoever stops posting first loses, lol

i'll gonna follow that log of yours should be interesting, just take care of yourself bro

[ninesecz]

Have you read this log on Mtren??

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=364534

Holy cow Brotha man is a crazy fool! After reading that it makes me really want to try it! I will not do the injectable though! i will do the oral at 250mvg Divided into 2-3 doses! Higher dose might do more but for the 1st 10days until I know what it is doing to me, I think that will be plenty!! if all goes well I have already decide that regardless of how mild the side might end up, 500mcg total a day will be it for me! I refuse to go any higher that! If I get good gains I will run the 500mcg a day for 11 day ( 3 weeks total) I will then wait 6-8 weeks and then probably throw it back in for the last 3 weeks of my cycle if I feel all is good. If not, I will seal them away and If I decide to do another cycle next year, I will take them for another 3-4 week stint! If not they will probably have burial at sea (toilet)

[Immortal Soldier]

Hey, Immortal,

What are your thoughts on the Injectable form of it. I know Tripmachine is using it now, and although he is using other compounds, he claims he is NOT having sides from it yet??

My experiment will be with the Methyl Tren alone with just a small amount of test to get a truer experience with it

Ah good question, I wanted to clear this up.

There is a BIG difference between methyltren and injectable methyltren from what I see reading people who are running inj. methyltren on this board. First of all fi you take 1-2 mg of oral methyltren you are basically killing your liver (a guy actually did a log on it and he was pissing brown, liver values were off the charts, huge boil like pimples on his back, jaundice, etc.) however with injectable methyltren people take several mg of the stuff.

This leads me to one conclusion: Making methyltren injectable causes it to lose its potency or strength, hence why such a high dosage (compared to the oral) would be needed.

The reason oral methyltren is such a bitch, is because it is just that an oral. The methylation process and the process of having to go through the liver totally buttfvcks the body. Compare it to Superdrol (steroid analouge of masteron ) and masteron. Superdrol (di-methyl) is the harshest of all legal PH/PS and compared to oral steroids it is up in their in harshness. That is due to it being an dimethylated oral, but masteron is hardly known for its "harsh sides".

So I can very well see injectable methyltren not having sides that are alarming compared to the oral version just for the sheer fact it bypasses the liver breakdown the first time. Now someone who doesn't get sides with Tren ace, probably isn't going to blow up on sides with inj. methyltren.

So that is my theory on matter, I think taking it oral and in its original form (it was designed as an oral) will be much harsher on the body than making it an inject. which in my opinion causes it to lose potency (just guessing from the fact that dosages need to be increased considerably compared to the oral)

[T-MOS]

Thank you sir. I will make sure to document as detailed as possible when I start

[Immortal Soldier]

I never take offense to things said on here. I would never ru it like that especially my 1st time but I was just wondering if people were cycling it like that. I am not sure about not having the experience. I have a doctor who monitors me completely, I have used tren before and understand and know the sides! I know my body very very well and on top of that I am not an idiot who is going to see jaundice or something and not know what is going on! I was actually going to just run it at 250mcg for 4 weeks 125mcg in the am, 125mcg in the afternoon. I think this would show whether or not it was worth it for me to keep taking and then if it seems something worth doing, I can next time I cycle try it at 500mcg a day! I would never ever go above that for any reason! and at that dose I would probably only do 3 weeks not 4! I would also be on Liv X and milk thistle the entire time! I know that some of you here have much more experience than I do as there is people out there that have much more experience than you guys! but the simple fact is that even if I waited till next year or the year after to try it, I am not going to be any more suited or in any better situation than I am in now to do it! I do all the research I can, I always read everything there is to read about the compounds I do and I do not take the use of AAS lightly ! I am well aware they are dangerous and should be handled with "kid gloves" If you look you would see I am trying very hard to find even a few people that have ran the oral tren, I can not seem to find any! I would actually not touch it even if I have it in front of me until I at least see 1 or 2 posts from someone who has actually ran it for 4 weeks I have yet to see that though!

Ok I see where your coming from, the only reason I would not advise you to take it is because I understand that your already having amazing gains from your previous thread I was in and you are trying to get back to you "peak", so IMO right now would not be the best time to be experimenting with methyltren.

I mean if you do it, I will not hold it against you or think less of you in anyway. I mean I am just saying from what I gather you are having great gains right now and are losing fat and gaining muscle and trying to get back to the "old you", and throwing methyltren and who knows you end up getting sick or something and it delays you.

I just realized your an 06 member for some reason I thought you had just joined recently which led a part in my decision making to say no for you