How should I run this cycle? >>>

[MuscleFX]

Just picked up the following...

2 bttls Test400
2 bttls Stanazol 100
20 amps of Primo 100
1 bttle liquid clen

I'm curious about what you all suggest on how i should run this cycle?

Thanks again.

[peachfuzz]

stats?

tell me what you think you should do and ill tell you what i would do

pct?

[Big]

stats?

tell me what you think you should do and ill tell you what i would do

pct?

good answer as always^

[MuscleFX]

6ft, 230lbs, 13%bf

I was thinking this...

Test400 2cc/wk
Stanazol100 1cc every other day
Primo 100 1cc every other day

Clen (.025mg/ml)
1st week: 1cc 2x/day
2nd week: 2cc 2x/day
3rd to 8th week: 3cc 2x/day MAX DOSAGE

PCT: HCG (need to research this more)

[peachfuzz]

6ft, 230lbs, 13%bf

I was thinking this...

Test400 2cc/wk
Stanazol100 1cc every other day
Primo 100 1cc every other day

Clen (.025mg/ml)
1st week: 1cc 2x/day
2nd week: 2cc 2x/day
3rd to 8th week: 3cc 2x/day MAX DOSAGE

PCT: HCG (need to research this more)

800mg of test is alot for most people. what cycle number is this for you?

winstrol and primo (im assuming acetate by the concentration) need to be shot every day.

your clen dosing is off. reed this...Clen Faq. You better like it it took me ages.

post cycle definitely needs work as well.

HCG should be run ON cycle

clomid and nolva for post. spend some time reading the post cycle stickies.


store your gear in a locked safe and start researching. stats wise you are ok. now you need to put the research time in as well. (which you are doing)

[MuscleFX]

Thanks for the feedback!

This is my 3rd cycle.

What do u recommend for the Test400 then?

Also, do you know if there is any FAQ on the Winstrol and Primo???

[Phate]

Thanks for the feedback!

This is my 3rd cycle.

What do u recommend for the Test400 then?

Also, do you know if there is any FAQ on the Winstrol and Primo???

we have profiles on them in the steroid profile forum(located two under this), great reads

[MuscleFX]

I wasnt asking for recommendations about sources, i was asking about dosage.

[peachfuzz]

nobody said you were....

he was telling you to go here and read the profiles on the compounds you are asking about. http://forums.steroid.com/steroid-profiles/

[ninesecz]

How can you be on your 3rd cycle but you still have no idea on how you should run your compounds? Not being rude but did you just say.. Give me 2 of those and 2 of those and etc. and after 2 cycles how could you possibly still need to research PCT? That should have been purchased with your gear!. Did you make any gains / or keep any gains from your 1st 2 cycles?

[c-Z]

^^^ good question. Personally I don't think you ready for a 3rd cycle. If your questioning PCT. Get steroids out of your head for a few months. And start reading about what you are putting into your body!!!

As well as when we want stats we need to stop being so lazy and type out what we want. Age is very important. And we get many teens in here on a daily basis. We shouldn't be offering knowledge to those youths for their own safety. I see many stat replies but many seem to leave out there age.

[MuscleFX]

First of all, thank you to everyone who has taken the time to post replies to my message. Many thanks to each of you. Some great advice and opinions!!!

I am 44yrs old.

I havent started my cycle yet, and wont do so until i have completed my research, which I am still doing now (thanks to all of your advice).

And the first two cycles were foolishly and blindly done on the trust, advice and supervision of a local guy who provided me with gear which not only yielded inadequate results, but I also suspect it was not legitimate, and caused some unheard of side effects! NEVER AGAIN!!!!

I have some questions about the outcome of my previous 2 cycles and whether or not they had any longterm negative effects on me - I just need to know where is the best place to ask these questions. I recently had FULL bloodwork done and the doctor gave me a green light.

My body is my temple and I have learned that from you all, and want to be certain about what I am putting into my body and the ramifications involved. So again, thank you for your help.

I am continuing to READ many of the stickys in these forums, I have printed many of them and it has become some of my favourite reading lately. Its amazing that so many people have taken the time to make all this information available to us.

I am now trying to research and decide on PCT, so once again, your guidance, IN ADDITION to what I am reading in these forums, is important to me. The PCT sticky is GREAT!

***** I have attached a PDF version of my Cycle Chart for you to comment on. IT IS NOT COMPLETE - Its a work in progress, so changes can and will be made.

Remember, I am certainly not an expert, as some of you are, BUT, with your help, I will endeavor to gather ALL the information necessary for me to know AND UNDERSTAND everything I should know.

Thanks again guys, awaiting your replies.

[seriousmass]

***** I have attached a PDF version of my Cycle Chart for you to comment on. IT IS NOT COMPLETE - Its a work in progress, so changes can and will be made.

Remember, I am certainly not an expert, as some of you are, BUT, with your help, I will endeavor to gather ALL the information necessary for me to know AND UNDERSTAND everything I should know.

Thanks again guys, awaiting your replies.

Alright. I just reviewed your cycle bro. You need to change a couple of things:

a.) You don't want to be shooting 800mg of Test per week. This is your 3rd cycle bro; there should be no need to go that high. IMO, you should just be shooting (0.6mL of test x 2 times per week) = ~500mg each week. (at your age, your body should respond drastically to this dosage, as it is still MANY, MANY times more testosterone , then your body would produce naturally)

b.) Since I'm suggesting a lower dosage, I also suggest extending the cycle. You may want to consider running it for 16 weeks. (the extra 4 weeks can usually continue to provide solid gains; and recovery of natty-test shouldn't be much harder whatsoever)

c.) Primo should be run for a longer period of time. 6 weeks is not suffice in my opinion..

d.) I don't like the way you've got the Winstrol set up, WHATSOEVER. Basically, if it was me, I'd use the winstrol to backload the cycle. (So assuming you're going to run a 16 week cycle, like I suggested, you would run the winstrol from weeks 12 - 18 @ 50mg each day.

e.) That's a LOT of clen . You're literally going to be sweating your brains out for the next 3 months. I don't personally advocate staying on clen for such a prolonged period of time... but many BB's like using the extended protocol... so go for it, if you're comfortable.

Soooo... Basically here is a summary of the VAST (lol) amount of changes I'd make to your cycle:

(weeks 1 - 16) Test-400 @ 0.6cc x 2 = (1.2cc per week)
(weeks 1 - 10) Primo @ 1cc x EOD
(weeks 12 - 18) Winstrol @ 50mg ED
(weeks 10 - 18) HCG @ 250iu (every 3rd day)

For PCT.... run it like this...

(weeks 18 - 22) Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20
(weeks 18 - 22) Clomid @ 100/50/50/50

(IE week 1 of PCT = 40mg nolva + 100mg clomid EACH DAY for the entire week)

Hope that helps. Peace.

[MuscleFX]

a.) You don't want to be shooting 800mg of Test per week. This is your 3rd cycle bro; there should be no need to go that high. IMO, you should just be shooting (0.6mL of test x 2 times per week) = ~500mg each week. (at your age, your body should respond drastically to this dosage, as it is still MANY, MANY times more testosterone, then your body would produce naturally)

My 1st cycle was two years ago, my 2nd cycle was spring 2008. I hear what your saying about too much, but does the scheduled injection days look ok?

b.) Since I'm suggesting a lower dosage, I also suggest extending the cycle. You may want to consider running it for 16 weeks. (the extra 4 weeks can usually continue to provide solid gains; and recovery of natty-test shouldn't be much harder whatsoever)

I dont mind doing the extra 4 weeks, its just that many people have said it was too long on a cycle.

c.) Primo should be run for a longer period of time. 6 weeks is not suffice in my opinion..

Again, I'm cool with that.

d.) I don't like the way you've got the Winstrol set up, WHATSOEVER. Basically, if it was me, I'd use the winstrol to backload the cycle. (So assuming you're going to run a 16 week cycle, like I suggested, you would run the winstrol from weeks 12 - 18 @ 50mg each day.

Ok. Point Taken. Can you give me your thoughts on why at back-end as opposed to front-end?

(weeks 1 - 16) Test-400 @ 0.6cc x 2 = (1.2cc per week)
(weeks 1 - 10) Primo @ 1cc x EOD
(weeks 12 - 18) Winstrol @ 50mg ED
(weeks 10 - 18) HCG @ 250iu (every 3rd day)

I would ideally like to minimize the number and frequency of injections. Truthfully I am a wimp when it comes to pins, and usually have a buddy help me out. Is it feasible to go every other day with 100mg of Winstrol instead of the 50mg everyday?? And can I run the HCG on the same schedule as the TEST400 in my chart?

BTW, do you recommend separate syringes for each injection or can I load it all into one syringe and inject it at all at once on the given day? And does time of day matter? What about time of day in relation to a workout?

Hope that helps. Peace.

Damn right it helps brother, THANKS for your reply!!! I wonder if anyone shares a different opinion? Or if everyone else agrees? I know its tough on these boards cause often people don't want to contradict other members or cause heated debates... but I am always open to other opinions. Thanks again!!!

[peachfuzz]

How can you be on your 3rd cycle but you still have no idea on how you should run your compounds? Not being rude but did you just say.. Give me 2 of those and 2 of those and etc. and after 2 cycles how could you possibly still need to research PCT? That should have been purchased with your gear!. Did you make any gains / or keep any gains from your 1st 2 cycles?

I get where you are coming from but im willing to bet there are more of us here who had similar first cycles then those of us who had everything in order. the only thing that matters now is making sure this one is done correctly. at least he is asking the questions now.

First of all, thank you to everyone who has taken the time to post replies to my message. Many thanks to each of you. Some great advice and opinions!!!

I am 44yrs old.

I havent started my cycle yet, and wont do so until i have completed my research, which I am still doing now (thanks to all of your advice).

And the first two cycles were foolishly and blindly done on the trust, advice and supervision of a local guy who provided me with gear which not only yielded inadequate results, but I also suspect it was not legitimate, and caused some unheard of side effects! NEVER AGAIN!!!!

I have some questions about the outcome of my previous 2 cycles and whether or not they had any longterm negative effects on me - I just need to know where is the best place to ask these questions. I recently had FULL bloodwork done and the doctor gave me a green light.

My body is my temple and I have learned that from you all, and want to be certain about what I am putting into my body and the ramifications involved. So again, thank you for your help.

I am continuing to READ many of the stickys in these forums, I have printed many of them and it has become some of my favourite reading lately. Its amazing that so many people have taken the time to make all this information available to us.

I am now trying to research and decide on PCT, so once again, your guidance, IN ADDITION to what I am reading in these forums, is important to me. The PCT sticky is GREAT!

***** I have attached a PDF version of my Cycle Chart for you to comment on. IT IS NOT COMPLETE - Its a work in progress, so changes can and will be made.

Remember, I am certainly not an expert, as some of you are, BUT, with your help, I will endeavor to gather ALL the information necessary for me to know AND UNDERSTAND everything I should know.

Thanks again guys, awaiting your replies.

youll be glad you took the time to do it right in the end. keep learning and post up any questions as you go.

[MuscleFX]

I get where you are coming from but im willing to bet there are more of us here who had similar first cycles then those of us who had everything in order. the only thing that matters now is making sure this one is done correctly. at least he is asking the questions now.

youll be glad you took the time to do it right in the end. keep learning and post up any questions as you go.

Thanks peachfuzz, kind words of encouragment are well received!

Peace bro.

[Phate]

First of all, thank you to everyone who has taken the time to post replies to my message. Many thanks to each of you. Some great advice and opinions!!!

I am 44yrs old.

I havent started my cycle yet, and wont do so until i have completed my research, which I am still doing now (thanks to all of your advice).

And the first two cycles were foolishly and blindly done on the trust, advice and supervision of a local guy who provided me with gear which not only yielded inadequate results, but I also suspect it was not legitimate, and caused some unheard of side effects! NEVER AGAIN!!!!

I have some questions about the outcome of my previous 2 cycles and whether or not they had any longterm negative effects on me - I just need to know where is the best place to ask these questions. I recently had FULL bloodwork done and the doctor gave me a green light.

My body is my temple and I have learned that from you all, and want to be certain about what I am putting into my body and the ramifications involved. So again, thank you for your help.

I am continuing to READ many of the stickys in these forums, I have printed many of them and it has become some of my favourite reading lately. Its amazing that so many people have taken the time to make all this information available to us.

I am now trying to research and decide on PCT, so once again, your guidance, IN ADDITION to what I am reading in these forums, is important to me. The PCT sticky is GREAT!

***** I have attached a PDF version of my Cycle Chart for you to comment on. IT IS NOT COMPLETE - Its a work in progress, so changes can and will be made.

Remember, I am certainly not an expert, as some of you are, BUT, with your help, I will endeavor to gather ALL the information necessary for me to know AND UNDERSTAND everything I should know.

Thanks again guys, awaiting your replies.

here ya go, have fun

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