3rd cycle

[JCLadson]

Critique if you like

weeks 1-12 800mg test cyp
weeks 1-10 600mg deca
weeks 1-4 50 mg dbol
HCG throughout cycle @ 500 iu every 3 days

Last cycle was
week 1-8 test e 600 mg
week 1-4 35 mg dbol

I blast and cruise. I cruise on 200 mg when not blasting

[Bigmax]

Looks like a basic cycle bro...whats to critique on it??....besides your HCG ... pct?

[JCLadson]

No I do not have a pct as I thought it wasnt as needed due to cruising on test cyp 200mg/ week. I like to keep it pretty basic. I think a lot of the guys get caught into trying to added everything possible to a cycle but yet a lot of guys do not tend to focus on their diet more than anything. I just wanted some .02 here.

[seriousmass]

Critique if you like

weeks 1-12 800mg test cyp
weeks 1-10 600mg deca
weeks 1-4 50 mg dbol
HCG throughout cycle @ 500 iu every 3 days

Extend the Deca to 12 weeks, and then just return to blasting dose of 200mg. Deca takes forever to kick in, and week 10 is kinda short IMO, as it'll only be build it up fully in your blood-concentrations by week 5ish.

Last cycle was
week 1-8 test e 600 mg
week 1-4 35 mg dbol

I blast and cruise. I cruise on 200 mg when not blasting

500iu of HCG is unneccessary IMO. You might want to start at 250iu every 3 days... and then alter the protocol to 500iu every 5 days. But if you've had good experiences with this dosage of 500iu/3 days then continue.


Pretty basic cycle bro, I'd definitely extend that deca though... or perhaps subsititue it for NPP (fast-acting deca). Otherwise, it looks simple. Have fun.


Also, perhaps substitute the d-bol for anadrol... since you already ran d-bol last cycle. But if you've got a big stock-pile of d-bol / really like it... then stay with it. no probs, just a suggestion.

[JCLadson]

Thanks bro. Anadrol is not a problem to get but it gives me a little more water retention than I like. My last cycle I ran 250 iu 3xs a week but still noticed testicular atrophy so I bumped it up this go around. As for extending the deca phase...what do you suggest?

[seriousmass]

Thanks bro. Anadrol is not a problem to get but it gives me a little more water retention than I like. My last cycle I ran 250 iu 3xs a week but still noticed testicular atrophy so I bumped it up this go around. As for extending the deca phase...what do you suggest?

I understand what you're saying about the bloat from a-bombs. You could consider running an AI like arimidex on cycle, to help reduce water retention. But once again, D-bol, is a fine compound for kick-starting the cycle.

Regarding the HCG , that's totally fine. I find that you should use less HCG at the beginning (IE 250iu every 5 days... and then bump up the dosage every couple of weeks)... HCG can lose it's effectiveness when used for a prolonged period, so you might want to consider doing this.

Regarding the deca , I would keep the dosage @ 600mg each week. You could consider front-loading the deca in the first week, if you want it to kick-in quicker (frontloading isn't really a science though.. many are skeptical of it). Otherwise, if you don't want to frontload, then just extend the cycle IMO.. deca should be run 12 - 14 weeks to see the best results. So in other words, you may want to consider blasting with test/deca for 14 weeks, and then returning to TRT dosage after that.

This would be the cycle I'd run:

(weeks 1 - 14) Test-C @ 800mg EW
(weeks 1 - 14) Deca @ 600mg EW
(weeks 1 - 5) Anadrol @ 100mg ED

Then return to TRT dosage in week 15..

Hope that helps bro.

[peachfuzz]

Deca 12 weeks

why hcg if your cruising? are you on HRT?

first run with a 19nor?

[peachfuzz]

stick to dbol

[seriousmass]

why hcg if your cruising? are you on HRT??

Maybe because he wants to be able to see his nut-sack... duh

WTF do you think the majority of TRT patients use HCG ???

stick to dbol

.... good reason for that choice bro..

[peachfuzz]

Anadrol is not a problem to get but it gives me a little more water retention than I like.

sounds like good enough reason to me.

i have an idea!

why not go around and completely switch the compounds in the cycle everyone has proposed.

your reason to switch to anadrol was because he has ran the dbol before. you didnt bother to ask if he has used anadrol (which he has) or if it is his first run with deca , in which case if it was, your advocating a higher dose of test then he is used to along with 2 new compounds.

smart cycle

[seriousmass]

i have an idea!

why not go around and completely switch the compounds in the cycle everyone has proposed.

your reason to switch to anadrol was because he has ran the dbol before. you didnt bother to ask if he has used anadrol (which he has) or if it is his first run with deca , in which case if it was, your advocating a higher dose of test then he is used to along with 2 new compounds.

smart cycle

I have an idea; how about you learn to READ the entire thread, before posting your 0.02

If you had, you would know:

a.) I never advocated a higher dosage of test. Read my posts.

b.) I switched one oral for another, and gave reasoning for it. ALSO, I wrote: "Also, perhaps substitute the d-bol for anadrol... since you already ran d-bol last cycle. But if you've got a big stock-pile of d-bol / really like it... then stay with it. no probs, just a suggestion." --- doesn't really sound like I'm forcing him into anything.

But yah, my cycle does look pretty damn good. Thanks for contributing nothing to this convo bro!

[Dancer]

An AI is not gonna shut down the water rentention/gyno issues from drol... deca /drol on the same cycle might be a back idea specially for the second cycle...

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I can keep going but I'll stop there

[Dancer]

I understand what you're saying about the bloat from a-bombs. You could consider running an AI like arimidex on cycle, to help reduce water retention. But once again, D-bol, is a fine compound for kick-starting the cycle. Again an AI and bloat from drol are parrell thoughts

Regarding the HCG , that's totally fine. I find that you should use less HCG at the beginning (IE 250iu every 5 days... and then bump up the dosage every couple of weeks)... HCG can lose it's effectiveness when used for a prolonged period, so you might want to consider doing this.

Regarding the deca , I would keep the dosage @ 600mg each week. You could consider front-loading the deca in the first week, if you want it to kick-in quicker (frontloading isn't really a science though.. many are skeptical of it). Otherwise, if you don't want to frontload, then just extend the cycle IMO.. deca should be run 12 - 14 weeks to see the best results. So in other words, you may want to consider blasting with test/deca for 14 weeks, and then returning to TRT dosage after that.

This would be the cycle I'd run:

(weeks 1 - 14) Test-C @ 800mg EW
(weeks 1 - 14) Deca @ 600mg EW
(weeks 1 - 5) Anadrol @ 100mg ED

There so much wrong ther I give up, I am gonna leave to a mod

Then return to TRT dosage in week 15..

Hope that helps bro.

The basic principles of the cycle especially for a second/third run is so off I really don't know where to begin

[peachfuzz]

I have an idea; how about you learn to READ the entire thread, before posting your 0.02

If you had, you would know:

a.) I never advocated a higher dosage of test. Read my posts.

His last cycle was 600mg of test. you outlined 800mg. where i come from that is a higher dose. i never said a higher dose then he proposed. just that you are advocating a higher dose.

b.) I switched one oral for another, and gave reasoning for it. ALSO, I wrote: "Also, perhaps substitute the d-bol for anadrol ... since you already ran d-bol last cycle. But if you've got a big stock-pile of d-bol / really like it... then stay with it. no probs, just a suggestion." --- doesn't really sound like I'm forcing him into anything.

i already addressed switching orals. maybe you need some help with reading comprehension? ill post it again just for you.

But yah, my cycle does look pretty damn good. Thanks for contributing nothing to this convo bro!

your reason to switch to anadrol was because he has ran the dbol before. you didnt bother to ask if he has used anadrol (which he has) or if it is his first run with deca, in which case if it was, your advocating a higher dose of test then he is used to along with 2 new compounds.

i apologize to the OP

now maybe we can get back on track designing your cycle.

did you say you have or have not run a 19nor in the past?

[JCLadson]

I have not ran a 19nor in the past. I have never been in need of them. I am keep HCG so I can continue to see my nuts, like he said. Thanks so far guys

[peachfuzz]

I have not ran a 19nor in the past. I have never been in need of them. I am keep HCG so I can continue to see my nuts, like he said. Thanks so far guys

Being your first run with deca i would not change the dbol nor would i change the dosage of test from previous cycles. you know how you react to the two and you need to be able to accurately evaluate what, if any, problems the deca poses for you.

I understand the HCG use i was just asking YOUR reasoning for it.

also 400mg is usually recommended for a first run with deca. your call.

what ancillaries are you going to have on hand.

[peachfuzz]

also can you post some stats for us please?

i should have asked for this already.

[JCLadson]

I never said this was my first run with deca , though not the frist deca cycle.
I do not suffer any gyno so I do not find the need of any anitestrogens

[peachfuzz]

I have not ran a 19nor in the past. I have never been in need of them. I am keep HCG so I can continue to see my nuts, like he said. Thanks so far guys

Deca IS a 19nor

[JCLadson]

also can you post some stats for us please?

i should have asked for this already.

I am sorry, I do not want to sound like a doosh, but I like to keep some of that to myself. As I do not need to hear any bashing from some guys on here if my stats do not meet someone expectation. NO OFFENSE BRO

Didnt realize deca was a 19nor...i guess that answers your question then

[HIITB$]

this cant end well

[peachfuzz]

Critique if you like

weeks 1-12 800mg test cyp I would keep at 600mg
weeks 1-10 600mg deca I would extend to 12 weeks minimum
weeks 1-4 50 mg dbol
HCG throughout cycle @ 500 iu every 3 days

Last cycle was
week 1-8 test e 600 mg
week 1-4 35 mg dbol

ok. lets start over....

other then the few changes in bold the cycle looks ok.

would still consider having the proper ancillaries on hand, you never know.

[Mass22]

hcg only for the pct not on the cycle.

[peachfuzz]

I am sorry, I do not want to sound like a doosh, but I like to keep some of that to myself. As I do not need to hear any bashing from some guys on here if my stats do not meet someone expectation. NO OFFENSE BRO

Didnt realize deca was a 19nor...i guess that answers your question then

No offense takin but and dont take this the wrong way but dont expect a whole lot of help from here on out. nobody can safely tell you how to run your cycle without some basic information. if your stats arent where they should be well then guess what?

a doctor is not going to diagnose without evaluating...and while im no doctor the same concept applies here.

[Dancer]

ok. lets start over....

other then the few changes in bold the cycle looks ok.

would still consider having the proper ancillaries on hand, you never know.

+2

by ancillaries I am sure you mean both nolv for the hcg and adex while on cycle...

[JCLadson]

Thanks peach. Though is there a reason why a lot of guys keep test to a 2:1 or 1.5:1 ratio with deca ?


AS FOR MY STATS ( i will throw myself out there)
23 yr old 5'7'' 170lb lifting since 15

[Dancer]

No offense takin but and dont take this the wrong way but dont expect a whole lot of help from here on out. nobody can safely tell you how to run your cycle without some basic information. if your stats arent where they should be well then guess what?

a doctor is not going to diagnose without evaluating...and while im no doctor the same concept applies here.

And he is posting all this shit from Dukky's trunk... amazing, juts amazing, I need to call Dukky and have him drive like an ahole while you post

[peachfuzz]

23 and on trt? dang.

i already posted the changes i would make.

and no reason for the ratios other then people are parroting old rhetoric.

seriousmass this thread got off track real quick. not fair to the OP. please in the future keep your challenges and smart remarks OUT of the threads.

[peachfuzz]

+2

by ancillaries I am sure you mean both nolv for the hcg and adex while on cycle...

as well as some caber.

[JCLadson]

Thanks guys

[peachfuzz]

any other questions just ask.

[HIITB$]

as well as some caber.

Im not the most experienced but people say not to run Nolva while on Tren or Deca , good rule of thumb"? Is that why you said the caber?

[peachfuzz]

yes.

AI on cycle like Dancer said. caber just incase.