4th cycle advice please guys

[tinytom777]

age: 26:
height: 5'8
weight: 185lbs
bf: 12%
diet in check
cycle history: 1st cycle - test e 500mg, d-bol 10 weeks, 2nd cycle - sus and deca ( not a good choice!) 3rd - test e 500mg, decca 400mg, hcg , 12 week cycle

pct was excellent for all 3 cycles and have kept nearly all of my gains, started using insulin , humalog 5-8ius pwo, towards end of 3rd cycle and throughout pct with excellent results although bf did go up slightly, as expected.

have been training for 5 years religiously, cycling for 2 years, 1 to 2 cycles per year

time has nearly come for my 4th cycle and i am looking into Trenbolone Acetate possibly stacked with and test pro, looking something like this,

tren ace: 50mg ed 8 weeks
test prop: 75mf ed 10 weeks
and prob hcg 500ius weekly

anything i need to include in this cycle? t3 for prolactin? bromocriptine or cabergoline, letrzole or fulvestrant to combat any progestenic sides as i have no exp with the use of these.

any advice welcome, and esp on the s/e of tren, particularly concerned about the sweating on tren as my last cycle, i sweated buckets towards end of my cycle! and anyone tried melatonin to help sleep restlessness with also affects me!

cheers again guys

[WARMachine]

Youve done 3 cycles and are only 185lbs? Thats a red flag bro.

But staying on topic, id have an AI on hand, as well as some Caber.

Otherwise, it looks fine to me. Whats your PCT gonna look like?

[Juice Authority]

Youve done 3 cycles and are only 185lbs? Thats a red flag bro.

But staying on topic, id have an AI on hand, as well as some Caber.

Otherwise, it looks fine to me. Whats your PCT gonna look like?

Huh? He is 5'8 and 185 at 12% BF and you feel that's a red flag?? I'm 5'10, 200 and 6% BF. Is that red flag too? Some of us are looking to maintain functional mass and look good.

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE LAST TIME I WARN YOU. EITHER STICK TO THE TOPIC OR STOP POSTING IN THE THREAD. IF YOU BREAK OUR RULES YOU WILL BE SUSPENDED OR BANNED. IF YOU FEEL SOMEONE ELSE HAS BROKE THE RULES, FEEL FREE TO REPORT IT

[WARMachine]

^ No 200lbs at 6% BF is not a red flag at all.

But 185 @ 12% is. After 3 cycles anyway.

If he looked like you, i wouldnt have said anything.


But of course you wouldve found another reason to post a half naked picture of arrogant self. So i guess it doesnt make much of a difference.

[Juice Authority]

^ No 200lbs at 6% BF is not a red flag at all.

But 185 @ 12% is. After 3 cycles anyway.

If he looked like you, i wouldnt have said anything.


But of course you wouldve found another reason to post a half naked picture of arrogant self. So i guess it doesnt make much of a difference.

You don't know his starting point. He could have weighed 130 for all you know.

[D7M]

But of course you wouldve found another reason to post a half naked picture of arrogant self. So i guess it doesnt make much of a difference.

agreed.

*sigh*. yes, you have a nice physique, JA.

We know this because you post it in every thread you give your opinion on.

Maybe I shall start a JA appreciation thread for you.

[Matt]

Youve done 3 cycles and are only 185lbs? Thats a red flag bro.

But staying on topic, id have an AI on hand, as well as some Caber.

Otherwise, it looks fine to me. Whats your PCT gonna look like?

100% agreed lol, 3 cycles and 185lbs?? You might want to post your diet lol as you may not be eating correctly...

[WARMachine]

You don't know his starting point. He could have weighed 130 for all you know.

Which would indicate a RED FLAG! Obviously he would have problems with his diet.

[Juice Authority]

Which would indicate a RED FLAG! Obviously he would have problems with his diet.

Oh yeah, that must be it. Genetics has nothing to do with it. You're right ole Great One. You're judging a person, the OP, without any knowledge of his background or where he started before his 3 cycles.

[WARMachine]

Lets see, he is asking for help and opinions on a steroid board. And after 3 AAS cycles and still stuck at 185 w/ 12% BF? Yes, i think judgement of his diet is warranted.

[Juice Authority]

Lets see, he is asking for help and opinions on a steroid board. And after 3 AAS cycles and still stuck at 185 w/ 12% BF? Yes, i think judgement of his diet is warranted.

Yeah, and you're just the board appointed 'Guru' he needs advice from, right? And who the fvck are you to judge anyone? You can't even come up with your own shit. All you do is regurgitate false and grossly inaccurate information that can’t be confirmed and/or verified.

age: 26:
height: 5'8
weight: 185lbs
bf: 12%
diet in check
cycle history: 1st cycle - test e 500mg, d-bol 10 weeks, 2nd cycle - sus and deca ( not a good choice!) 3rd - test e 500mg, decca 400mg, hcg , 12 week cycle

pct was excellent for all 3 cycles and have kept nearly all of my gains, started using insulin , humalog 5-8ius pwo, towards end of 3rd cycle and throughout pct with excellent results although bf did go up slightly, as expected.

have been training for 5 years religiously, cycling for 2 years, 1 to 2 cycles per year

time has nearly come for my 4th cycle and i am looking into Trenbolone Acetate possibly stacked with and test pro, looking something like this,

tren ace: 50mg ed 8 weeks
test prop: 75mf ed 10 weeks
and prob hcg 500ius weekly

anything i need to include in this cycle? t3 for prolactin? bromocriptine or cabergoline, letrzole or fulvestrant to combat any progestenic sides as i have no exp with the use of these.

any advice welcome, and esp on the s/e of tren, particularly concerned about the sweating on tren as my last cycle, i sweated buckets towards end of my cycle! and anyone tried melatonin to help sleep restlessness with also affects me!

cheers again guys

Ok Bro. T3 is like a blow torch to your muscle. It doesn't discriminate. It is catabolic to muscle as well as fat so be conscious of that and keep your dosage to 25mcgs in the am on an empty stomach. Screw this pyramiding BS you hear. It's hogwash. I would also add clen since it is anti-catabolic to muscle.

Tren A and Test Prop is a great cycle if you can handle the sides associated with Tren. If not, you can drop the Tren A and since it has an acetate ester and will clear in a few days versus Tren E, which takes a couple of weeks to clear.

You want to have a dopamine antagonist on hand to combat prolactin levels associated with Tren. Prami seems to be the preferred option for many given its ability to raise endogenous GH but it has some bizarre sides. Personally I would go with Bromo or caber. I like Bromo but that's just a personal preference. That takes care of the prolactin issue but not the other tren related sides (insomnia, night sweats, cramping, short windedness, aggression, etc.). Tren is the most powerful AAS compound known to man. It is 5x more anabolic than testosterone AND also 5x more androgenic (this is what causes the sides).

Trenbolone Acetate Profile
(17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)
(Trenbolone Base + Acetate Ester)
Formula: C20 H24 O3
Molecular Weight: 312.4078
Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
Molecular Weight (ester):60.0524
Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
Formula (ester): C2 H4 O2
Melting Point (base): 183-186C
Melting Point (ester):16.6C
Manufacturer: Cattle implants, British Dragon, Various
Effective Dose (Men):50-150mg ED
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 2-3 days
Detection Time: 5 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

[ninesecz]

cmon guys there is no need to fight!! We are all here to help and learn and keep in the loop! Arguing with each other over 2 different ideas is stupid! not disrepecting either of you but com on now

[Juice Authority]

cmon guys there is no need to fight!! We are all here to help and learn and keep in the loop! Arguing with each other over 2 different ideas is stupid! not disrepecting either of you but com on now

Who's fighting? I'm actually trying to address the OP's questions, not judge him like the Great board appointed Guru WarMachine is doing.

[tinytom777]

Hey thanks for the answer juice, i didnt think 185 at 12% was too small? i get complaints from work ( i work with 117 women) and from my family that i am too big! i did stat out at about 120lb round about 8 stone when i was 21, i put on 35lb muslce naturally over 3 years and 30lb over 2 years with steroids and have managed to maintain this weight.

diet:
meal 1 - 1 can tuna, 1 banana, blue berries, porrige with milk and almonds thrown in, protein shake
meal 2 - 1 chicken breast, rice, banana, protein shake
meal 3 - chicken/tuna, some kind of lean meat or fish with veg, 500ml milk and fruit
meal 4 - 1 chicken breast, rice, banana, protein shake/pre workout stack
pwo - meal replacement drink (50g protein) with 50g carbs and 5-8ius of insulin
meal 5 - chicken/tuna, some kind of lean meat or fish with veg, 500ml milk and fruit
meal 6 - 1 can tuna, 1 banana, blue berries, porrige with milk and almonds thrown in, protein shake

2-3 litres of water a day

can possibly throw in another meal after meal 5 if i have time and depending how hungry slin makes me!

so cycle will be:

tren a - 50mg ed 8weeks
test prop - 75mg ed 10 weeks
hcg on cycle
Bromocriptine (0.5 mg -2.5 mg /day) or cabergoline (0.25mg twice weekly) depending on what i can get hold of, pref caber
ai on hand (anastrazole or letro) just incase but as of yet have not had any gyno symptoms on any of my cycles

pct to start 3 days after last injection or prop

clomid - 100/50/50/50
nolva - 40/30/20/20
aromasin - 25/25/25/25

cheers guys, any comments/advice about diet or cycle much appreciated and anyone with exp of a similar cycle, how much did u gain? how bad were s/e etc...
thanks again ...

[tinytom777]

Youve done 3 cycles and are only 185lbs? Thats a red flag bro.

But staying on topic, id have an AI on hand, as well as some Caber.

Otherwise, it looks fine to me. Whats your PCT gonna look like?

thats me in avatar bro

[tinytom777]

bump
was also thinking of adding winistrol (oral, as all i can afford!) 100mg oed for 4 weeks, good idea?

[seriousmass]

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was also thinking of adding winistrol (oral, as all i can afford!) 100mg oed for 4 weeks, good idea?

Yah, you could definitely back-load the cycle with some winstrol , for the last 4 weeks. I'd stick with 50mg a day to start. 100mg is quite high for winny.

[Juice Authority]

bump
was also thinking of adding winistrol (oral, as all i can afford!) 100mg oed for 4 weeks, good idea?

Winny is best to run with your Tren and Prop...ed, not eod given it's active half-life. I would add it in the middle or towards the end of the cycle. It's hard on the joints and tough on lipids, especially HDL. I'm just finishing a cycle that includes Prop/Mast/NPP and winny. I can't handle the Tren sides or I would be all over it.

[tinytom777]

woop cheers guys! so cycle as follows:

tren a - 50mg ed 8weeks
test prop - 75mg ed 10 weeks
winny (oral) 50mg ed weeks 6-10
hcg on cycle 1000ius weekly
cabergoline 0.25mg twice weekly
ai on hand (anastrazole or letro) just incase but as of yet have not had any gyno symptoms on any of my cycles

pct to start 3 days after last injection or prop

clomid - 100/50/50/50
nolva - 40/30/20/20
aromasin - 25/25/25/25

lets see how i get on with tren side, fingers crossed!
so yeah, any comments on diet or cycle just say, yay or nay!!!!!!

[seriousmass]

^^ cycle looks really nice. You'll be shredded after 10 weeks bro!

Diet actually looks pretty good; head to the diet section though if you want it critiqued further. Good luck with the cycle.

[tinytom777]

cheers buddy, tis only through help and guideance from this site that i look this good today lol came here 4 years ago when i was 120ilb looking for a 'magic' drug to make me hudge!!! and i found it, diet and training!!! thanks again, just saving for this cycle now, prob be sept/oct, will post results, thankyou!!!!

[Juice Authority]

cheers buddy, tis only through help and guideance from this site that i look this good today lol came here 4 years ago when i was 120ilb looking for a 'magic' drug to make me hudge!!! and i found it, diet and training!!! thanks again, just saving for this cycle now, prob be sept/oct, will post results, thankyou!!!!

Like I said mentioned earlier in the thread when WarMachine was judging your stats you never know what a person's starting point is and going from 120 to 185 is a huge accomplishment. Stick with your program and make it a point to get some nutritional advice from a professional. Investing a few hundred dollars with a nutritionist to set you up on a solid diet plan that is customized to your goals is money well spent. The drugs are just a cog in the wheel. Diet is everything.

[Matt]

To the op, where in the UK are you from lol??

Btw War never once judged you, like most on here he was a little concered about your weight and number of cycles. However you've come a long way bro with great progress, good to see a fellow Brit doing so well....

[wukillabee]

Hey thanks for the answer juice, i didnt think 185 at 12% was too small? i get complaints from work ( i work with 117 women) and from my family that i am too big! i did stat out at about 120lb round about 8 stone when i was 21, i put on 35lb muslce naturally over 3 years and 30lb over 2 years with steroids and have managed to maintain this weight.

diet:
meal 1 - 1 can tuna, 1 banana, blue berries, porrige with milk and almonds thrown in, protein shake
meal 2 - 1 chicken breast, rice, banana, protein shake
meal 3 - chicken/tuna, some kind of lean meat or fish with veg, 500ml milk and fruit
meal 4 - 1 chicken breast, rice, banana, protein shake/pre workout stack
pwo - meal replacement drink (50g protein) with 50g carbs and 5-8ius of insulin
meal 5 - chicken/tuna, some kind of lean meat or fish with veg, 500ml milk and fruit
meal 6 - 1 can tuna, 1 banana, blue berries, porrige with milk and almonds thrown in, protein shake

2-3 litres of water a day

can possibly throw in another meal after meal 5 if i have time and depending how hungry slin makes me!

so cycle will be:

tren a - 50mg ed 8weeks
test prop - 75mg ed 10 weeks
hcg on cycle
Bromocriptine (0.5 mg -2.5 mg /day) or cabergoline (0.25mg twice weekly) depending on what i can get hold of, pref caber
ai on hand (anastrazole or letro) just incase but as of yet have not had any gyno symptoms on any of my cycles

pct to start 3 days after last injection or prop

clomid - 100/50/50/50
nolva - 40/30/20/20
aromasin - 25/25/25/25

cheers guys, any comments/advice about diet or cycle much appreciated and anyone with exp of a similar cycle, how much did u gain? how bad were s/e etc...
thanks again ...

Sounds like u know what ur doin bro. Id be throwing up tuna by week 2 of that diet though, guess i just cant stomach that much tuna. For ur pct id just use 20mg nolva 4 weeks, no real reason to pyramid that. Is nolva even advised for pct after using a 19-nor? Thought that was a no no?

[Juice Authority]

To the op, where in the UK are you from lol??

Btw War never once judged you, like most on here he was a little concered about your weight and number of cycles. However you've come a long way bro with great progress, good to see a fellow Brit doing so well....

EDITED AND WARNED You're like his little Minion.


IF YOU WANT TO INSULT SOMEONE THATS FINE AS LONG AS YOU DONT DO IT ON OUR BOARD. KEEP THE INSULTS TO YOURSELF

-PT

[Matt]

When are you going to stop riding War's cock? That is exactly what he was doing. You're like his little Minion.

Listen stop turning peoples threads into a flame fest, all you are going to do is give this board a bad name.

[Matt]

To the op, thanks for the pm lol, and im sorry about the unwanted posts in your thread...

[Juice Authority]

Listen stop turning peoples threads into a flame fest, all you are going to do is give this board a bad name.

Dude STFU. I've been more than helpful to the OP on this thread. I give this board a bad name? Yeah ok. And your comments about my wife being a hooker reflect favorably on this board - Another recent bust -? You're a walking contradiction and an empty suit.

You're also too chickenshit to post of pic of yourself. If you spent more time in the gym and less time riding War's cock and making derogatory comments about my wife maybe one day you could look like me but I highly doubt it. Some people just talk and parrot the herd mentality. You definitely fall in that category.

[Matt]

I give up with this guy, again im sorry to the op...

[Juice Authority]

100% agreed lol, 3 cycles and 185lbs?? You might want to post your diet lol as you may not be eating correctly...

I guess you forgot this post. You just did a complete 180. Again dude, you're a total empty suit who hasn't had an original idea since you were conceived.

[Matt]

You're also too chickenshit to post of pic of yourself. If you spent more time in the gym and less time riding War's cock and making derogatory comments about my wife maybe one day you could look like me but I highly doubt it. Some people just talk and parrot the herd mentality. You definitely fall in that category.

Btw theres a picture of me on this boards sister site and dude im 30lbs of muscle bigger than you, hahaha you skinny little girl.

If you spent less time on here then you would know for sure if those kids are yours because dude she's had that much cock the kids could have 20 fathers...

[Juice Authority]

Btw theres a picture of me on this boards sister site and dude im 30lbs of muscle bigger than you, hahaha you skinny little girl.

If you spent less time on here then you would know for sure if those kids are yours because dude she's had that much cock the kids could have 20 fathers...

Yeah, I could be 30 pounds heavier too. It's easy to perma-bulk. Let's see a pic with that 30 pounds of muscle you claim to have on me at my BF%. That would interesting. Make it a recent one too. btw, there you go again making unfounded and derogatory comments about my wife. Yeah, that really puts the board in a favorable light, huh?

[tinytom777]

anyway thanks to all who replied, don't think this board could get a bad name, far too much good info on here!

[WARMachine]

Yeah, and you're just the board appointed 'Guru' he needs advice from, right? And who the fvck are you to judge anyone? You can't even come up with your own shit. All you do is regurgitate false and grossly inaccurate information that can’t be confirmed and/or verified.

Yeah how many stickies do you have? Thats right... Just keep on acting like you know what youre talking about. You cant help but mention my name everytime you post can your? Im starting to wonder about you...

I think its pretty obvious you enjoy talking about me.

[lovbyts]

Huh? He is 5'8 and 185 at 12% BF and you feel that's a red flag?? I'm 5'10, 200 and 6% BF. Is that red flag too? Some of us are looking to maintain functional mass and look good.

No red flag in your stats BUT you sure like to argue dont you? LOL

[WARMachine]

Hes just pissy cause hes insecure... Or hes in love with me... Could be both?

[Juice Authority]

Yeah how many stickies do you have? Thats right... Just keep on acting like you know what youre talking about. You cant help but mention my name everytime you post can your? Im starting to wonder about you...

I think its pretty obvious you enjoy talking about me.

You live and die by that skicky don't you? Is that your greatest claim to fame? I do enjoy talking with you. I think you're misinformed about a lot of things you pass off as 'facts' but other than that, you're one of the more intelligent posters on this board.

[dec11]

Sounds like u know what ur doin bro. Id be throwing up tuna by week 2 of that diet though, guess i just cant stomach that much tuna. For ur pct id just use 20mg nolva 4 weeks, no real reason to pyramid that. Is nolva even advised for pct after using a 19-nor? Thought that was a no no?

any1 else think this diet has too many shakes in it? shit, wrong post lol

[dec11]

Hey thanks for the answer juice, i didnt think 185 at 12% was too small? i get complaints from work ( i work with 117 women) and from my family that i am too big! i did stat out at about 120lb round about 8 stone when i was 21, i put on 35lb muslce naturally over 3 years and 30lb over 2 years with steroids and have managed to maintain this weight.

diet:
meal 1 - 1 can tuna, 1 banana, blue berries, porrige with milk and almonds thrown in, protein shake
meal 2 - 1 chicken breast, rice, banana, protein shake
meal 3 - chicken/tuna, some kind of lean meat or fish with veg, 500ml milk and fruit
meal 4 - 1 chicken breast, rice, banana, protein shake/pre workout stack
pwo - meal replacement drink (50g protein) with 50g carbs and 5-8ius of insulin
meal 5 - chicken/tuna, some kind of lean meat or fish with veg, 500ml milk and fruit
meal 6 - 1 can tuna, 1 banana, blue berries, porrige with milk and almonds thrown in, protein shake

2-3 litres of water a day

can possibly throw in another meal after meal 5 if i have time and depending how hungry slin makes me!

so cycle will be:

tren a - 50mg ed 8weeks
test prop - 75mg ed 10 weeks
hcg on cycle
Bromocriptine (0.5 mg -2.5 mg /day) or cabergoline (0.25mg twice weekly) depending on what i can get hold of, pref caber
ai on hand (anastrazole or letro) just incase but as of yet have not had any gyno symptoms on any of my cycles

pct to start 3 days after last injection or prop

clomid - 100/50/50/50
nolva - 40/30/20/20
aromasin - 25/25/25/25

cheers guys, any comments/advice about diet or cycle much appreciated and anyone with exp of a similar cycle, how much did u gain? how bad were s/e etc...
thanks again ...

any1 else think theres too many shakes in this diet?