I know where people are getting the D-bol only cycles are Ok from!!

[beachboygemini]

How about boldenone for 8 wks with tbol during the first 4 and anavar during the last 4. I allready have 5 grams of anavar, and some of it is in suspension. I also have 200 10mg tablets of tbol. Help me out now. Help me out Yo. Oh, and if I did this stack would 600 ml a week of bldenone and 40 of var and 50 or 60 of tbol bo cooo?

[Undercover]

to much oral for the liver! IMO..... Here is my $0.02 if you do not want to start out with injectables you should not be worrying about steroids at all!

exactly.

[Dont wanna be old]

All orals are not bad , andriol ? no one discusses because cost issues and availability .

The problem with steroids is that it is underground . Therefore any information retrieved is valuable . Even if rumor , spoken or written .

Because of availability issues , scams counterfeit compounds and legality , general aspiring users are driven to any means necessary .

The steroid bible in the 90's was written by Bill Phillips I believe , the editor of muscle media 3000 muscle mag .

Since then there has been a lot of improved information and educated discussion of AAS compounds .

Anyway , someone asking for information on a open forum can get mixed responses . All we can do is try expressing are beliefs and experience to guide them in a safe direction

Just be ready to substantiate your recommendations

[JiGGaMaN]

Good morning fellas,

I read what some of you are saying, and can appreciate your concerns. However, I do want to reiterate that I had when I wrote that, and still do, believe that there is nothing “wrong” with running a cycle without testosterone . Here are a few points to consider:

1) From the 1960 through the 1980’s, if you were an athlete, the first cycle you took was probably Dianabol (methandrostenolone) @ 2-5 tabs/day. Dianabol was the introduction most players had to steroids. This drug worked extremely well, and arguably changed the face of sports. Neither steroids nor human physiology has changed since.

the problem is, things did change. things changed in a HUGE way: we have access to many more compounds and understand their role in bodybuilding more clearly. imagine if doctors were prescribing using only drugs found from the 60's...

[hankdiesel]

What are you talking about? Do you think testosterone doesn't supress your HPTA? Is any cycle fine as long as you inject yourself with 5 times the test that your body normally produces??

You people keep pushing test in cycles when it doesn't have jack shit to do with safety. The safety is in the PCT, and knowing how to restore your HPTA based on what you used.

Stop parroting test!! Two of the most respected mods of this board Big and tmos preached taking test above all else, one is on TRT and the other is...

Test is not a must!

The other is what?...........

[ninesecz]

Nine, just for the record, I have a copy of it in the bathroom.

I read it, and your right.

I think that the author is assuming that people know about running test with there cycles.

That's why I disregarded that cycle.

His PCT seems a little screwy also.

Not knocking the author, just saying that newbies need everything explained to them.

In detail.

I read everything I can find.

Knowledge is key.

No Way! I would never contradict Mr. Llewellyn have read pretty much top to bottom all 9 editions of his Anabolics and think it is by far the best Steroid Bible out there and i have read some others and IMO I do not thin any of them compare. He has a bunch of great information and insight and 60% of what I have learned about AAS I learned from him (then of course double checiking what I was reading) I am sure there is reasoning behind his Oral only cycles just with the knowledge I have as of right now, And i am not ayin i hae more than he does.. But I just do not agree with running an oral without an injectable test (maybe Anavar cause it is so very very mild compared to say D-ol and Drol) I think that if you need to try and run an oral B4 getting into i njectables than you are just not ready and should completely stay away from the sauce altogether. Injetables are an entire different ball game than orals anyway so i do not see how doing a 6-8 week cycle of moderately dosed dianabol which will give you some strength gains then 80% of it be gone 2 months later can Even come close to being like or getting you prepared for what 12 Weeks of injectable Testosterone is going to do for you and continue to do for you even after it is over. The amount you will keep is different. the sides are different, the PC is different, the entire cycles are a night and day difference.. This is why I do not agree! I Guess to me it is like a driving school getting you prepared for an 800hp twin Turbo12 cylinder Lamborghini by taking you out in a 97hp front wheel drive 4 cyclinder Hyundai The Orals are oing to do nothing to prepare you for the Injectable cycle!

[beachboygemini]

What if I or soeone else doesnt want to shoot test? F- test, in my opinion I have got plenty of it. Also tbol is said to increase test production. Am I wrong about that? Tbol and anavar are both said to be very low in producing negative side effects. I am getting alittle frustrated in this regard, mostly because of all of the contradictions that have been pushed my way. So far I have read that an injection is a necessity if you want to try steroids . That is pretty Lame! No offense if anyone of you are. I just want to take 2mild orals either back to back or at the same time, while using boldenone ! please tell me the best way to do this.

[beachboygemini]

Maybe I can use boldenone and 1 of the orals in my possesion. Or, if possible bold and very low doses of the two orals for a small boost. I am prone to btch tits. I started to get them from the BEAST oral spray, which is legal to buy over the counter I stopped them and it went away on its own. Therefore I want to use a cycle that doesnt have a great risk of that happening again. I am aware of novadex nolvadex clomid liquidex and all that, but still choose not to use the ones with the higher risks in that regard. I am 34, about 235 lbs, 6 foot 6 inch and am guessing about 18-20 % bf. Just lookin for ideas.

[beachboygemini]

On some other forum, at least one member recommended only tbol=turinabol at 30mg=1st week, 40=2nd wk, 50=3rd, 60=4th and either 60 for another week and then back down or just back down, like, 50, 40, 30. I wonder if tbol and boldenone would be a good short stack, like 8 wks. Or even test and tbol, however some sites say tbol is a test derivative.

[aldemoro]

test is one of the most strongest aas out there i think it would be to much for a beginner and novice cycle who has around 160, 170 pound weight there for the the beginner should go with the weaker coumponds with way less androgenic sides. Its like some one coming up first time in the gym and trying to lift 200 pounds weight

[beachboygemini]

Aldemoro, please clarify your posted reply. what 160, 170? Its unclear.

[ranging1]

What are you talking about? Do you think testosterone doesn't supress your HPTA? Is any cycle fine as long as you inject yourself with 5 times the test that your body normally produces??

You people keep pushing test in cycles when it doesn't have jack shit to do with safety. The safety is in the PCT, and knowing how to restore your HPTA based on what you used.

Stop parroting test!! Two of the most respected mods of this board Big and tmos preached taking test above all else, one is on TRT and the other is...

Test is not a must!

people preach testerome because it keep ur sex drive intact for most cycles and is the foundation of steroids that ALL other steroids are measured against

it is the foundation of anabolic steroids, almost all other steroids made have been designed to mimic or enhance or increase the effect of testerome, they are also ALL MEASURED against testerome, people preach testerome becuase it is the primary male sex hormone, what else would u reccomend people preach? no other steroid can do what testerome does and it is the reason why it is in almost EVERY CYCLE

IMO oral steroids are just shit, they are designed for people who dont want to inject, they were meant to be a way to easily take steroids but their damages arent worth their harms and costs IMO, even to kickstart off cycle u could use a quik acting ester instead of an oral, or front load injectables, oral steroids are just a injectable steroid that causes liver damage, not saying dont use them (cant say that coz i use themol) BUT i agree that reccomending people to do oral only steroid cycles for a first cycle is just stupid

the excuse that people on their first steroid cyles arent willing to inject is a poor excuse, as mentioned earlier if u aint ready to inject then u arent ready for steroids

lastly i dont think u should justify that testerome isnt worth preaching by using T-mos as an example, the man had alot of wisdom and knowledge and i understand completely u have ur opinion BUT dont use T-mos as a way to support ur arguement, its just plain low and disrespectful, the man heavily contibted to this forum and gave alot of advice, and though u may not agree with it, im sure his advice helped alot more people and saved alot from causing worse damage to themselves

[beachboygemini]

what is tmos

[ranging1]

go to the AR lounge, and look at the first sticky

[beachboygemini]

Hey ranging1, sorry man, I reread your post and answered my own question. Now I am going to the AR lounge to look at da sticky

[ranging1]

np mate, good to see people listen in this forum