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    Dianabol and liver detoxifyers.

    I have been reading increasing evidence that Supplements such as Liv. 52 and milk thistle have negative effects on a cycle. For instance i have read that people taking milk thistle ED have reported less quality gains from an AAS such as Dianabol . So i was just wanting to colect some info from you guys weather or not you have experienced these so called negative effects!
    Cheers guys.

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    There are studies out there what suggest that Milk thistle will hinder gains via putting a protective barrier around the liver which will stop the absorption of the oral through the liver and that Milk thistle has said to have an affect on protein assimilation, also there are studies showing that it prevents the androgen receptor from travelling to the mucleus of the cell which will have an effect on the body increasing protein synthesis


    Ive got to say ive never had any kind of problems while running milk thistle or noticed any kind negative effects on my gains from the orals, but it does make you think and push you in the direction of liv52

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    bump marcus300, heard same things and there were some gym legends regarding this, however i never felt it on myself ever.

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    Liv 52 is overrated. Silymarin is good. NAC is the best. Just run NAC at 1200mg post cycle if you fear any issues. Regarding the hepatoprotectants and gains relationship...seen some studies and indications are that there is a connection between use and reduced gains somewhere there.

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    Do you NEED to run a liver protectant while doing a 4 week cycle of dbol (as a kick start)? Well by need I mean would a 4 week kick start be horrid on your liver, or just like heavy drinking?

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    what dose per day you doing it at mate?

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    40-50mg/day

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    Quote Originally Posted by V6A6L6O View Post
    I have been reading increasing evidence that Supplements such as Liv. 52 and milk thistle have negative effects on a cycle. For instance i have read that people taking milk thistle ED have reported less quality gains from an AAS such as Dianabol . So i was just wanting to colect some info from you guys weather or not you have experienced these so called negative effects!
    Cheers guys.
    I use Synthergine liver protectant with all my cycles and even off time and have never experienced less gains,,if anything they seemed better. I havent ran just plain milk thistle in yrs but I dont see how it could hinder gains really.

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    I would rather have a little less gain and still have my liver than risk getting full result and a liver transplant!! Just my $0.02!

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    so i guess ill grab some milk thistle before my first cycle (being that i plan to take 50mg/day of dbol for wk 1-4) since your post does make some good sense nine

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    LiverCare a.k.a Liv.52 is still my choice of liver detox.

    That's the first thing I picked up as soon as I decided to run DBol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninesecz View Post
    I would rather have a little less gain and still have my liver than risk getting full result and a liver transplant!! Just my $0.02!
    Best advise....think about it, health first!!

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    Do any birkc and mortar stores carry it, or do i have to order liv52 online?

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