getting fat coming off winny cycle

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 11:16 AM

Im in 4th week of pct, and have noticed that i have gained most of the fat that i lost during my cycle!

i dont know why this is, i slightly Up'd carbs and protein (As you should do during pct) but feel like ive gained the fat back. Or do u think its muscle hardness ive lost which i had from the winstrol and its playing on my mind??

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-05-2009, 01:13 PM

all i can tell you is winny doesnt make you gain or lose fat.

**Chev** · 08-05-2009, 01:20 PM

Was this a winny only cycle??

**dece870717** · 08-05-2009, 01:43 PM

After cutting always slowly raise your calories, because if you have gone low or too low your metabolism will have slowed down and if you up the cals a little too much fat will come on real easy. I learned that the hard way 3 times.

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Chev

Was this a winny only cycle??

Ofcourse it wasn't!

Test cyp 650mg per week and 50mg a day winstrol

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by dece870717

After cutting always slowly raise your calories, because if you have gone low or too low your metabolism will have slowed down and if you up the cals a little too much fat will come on real easy. I learned that the hard way 3 times.

Looks like im learning the hard way at the moment then

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

all i can tell you is winny doesnt make you gain or lose fat.

Winny makes you lose fat. FACT

**V6A6L6O** · 08-05-2009, 02:31 PM

How long did you run winny for?

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by V6A6L6O

How long did you run winny for?

The last 6 weeks of cycle

**V6A6L6O** · 08-05-2009, 02:38 PM

I'm about to use it for the first time, in the next few weeks. What results did you get from it? I'm looking forward to it as i have heard lots of great stuff about it!!

**aestheticmind** · 08-05-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by V6A6L6O

I'm about to use it for the first time, in the next few weeks. What results did you get from it? I'm looking forward to it as i have heard lots of great stuff about it!!

I hate winny... the strength gains are nice but the dry painful joints make it impossible to use the new strength. i would wake up in the morning with all of my joints aching! and i'm 23!

**Mooseman33** · 08-05-2009, 02:54 PM

^^^^agree..

what it did to my joints was the worst..i would never use winny again..
and winny does not make u loose fat....ur diet does

**HIITB$** · 08-05-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by bradhore

Winny makes you lose fat. FACT

Really? Never heard that, you have anything to back that up? If not its just your opinion

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 03:05 PM

If youve got a good diet along side it, i think it contributes.

Gives you muscle hardness and stops water retention, making you feel leaner i suppose.

**Dancer** · 08-05-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by dece870717

After cutting always slowly raise your calories, because if you have gone low or too low your metabolism will have slowed down and if you up the cals a little too much fat will come on real easy. I learned that the hard way 3 times.

+2,

also keep in mind during pct there maybe some water retention.

What are you running pct?

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 03:12 PM

40/40/20/20 nolva

**Dancer** · 08-05-2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by bradhore

40/40/20/20 nolva

The mental part of PCT is a bitch... I doubt with all you done there is a major difference in terms of softening or fat gain.

Problem is in the head. When I was younger I doubted each and every cycle.

If I was a beaten man I bet you are the only one that notices any difference.

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dancer

The mental part of PCT is a bitch... I doubt with all you done there is a major difference in terms of softening or fat gain.

Problem is in the head. When I was younger I doubted each and every cycle.

If I was a beaten man I bet you are the only one that notices any difference.

Yea your right. Think it may be all in my head. But when ever i look in the mirror during pct im sure i can see myself getting smaller everyday, i dont like it lol! its a real downer!

**Dancer** · 08-05-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by bradhore

Yea your right. Think it may be all in my head. But when ever i look in the mirror during pct im sure i can see myself getting smaller everyday, i dont like it lol! its a real downer!

Welcome to bigo-rexia brother

I am 5'7'' been 240s and felt small. I couldn't wipe my own butt without more effort than I need to state, but I felt small.

Craziest shit was one carb depleted date when I was cutting, I looked in the side mirror and saw this guy he looked so freakin ripped to me it was nasty. I looked at the guys face and it was me.

unfortunatly, it does get worse. I been on cutting cycles that I passed the F out, I been on bulking cycles that I done 2-3g a week of different aas.

As I gotten older I can say this you will find yourself in many way. I know this is more about life than some post of a bber forum. But, you will find yourself in many ways as time goes on.

Now I just wanna get down to 195 at a healty 9-11% and stay the F there...lol

The mind is a thing on its own.

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-05-2009, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by bradhore

Winny makes you lose fat. FACT

believe what you want to believe. you are incorrect.

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 11:03 PM

I know there is no evidance, but i still think it helps to reduce bodyfat with a good diet, dont u think dancer??

**bradhore** · 08-05-2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dancer

Welcome to bigo-rexia brother

I am 5'7'' been 240s and felt small. I couldn't wipe my own butt without more effort than I need to state, but I felt small.

Craziest shit was one carb depleted date when I was cutting, I looked in the side mirror and saw this guy he looked so freakin ripped to me it was nasty. I looked at the guys face and it was me.

unfortunatly, it does get worse. I been on cutting cycles that I passed the F out, I been on bulking cycles that I done 2-3g a week of different aas.

As I gotten older I can say this you will find yourself in many way. I know this is more about life than some post of a bber forum. But, you will find yourself in many ways as time goes on.

Now I just wanna get down to 195 at a healty 9-11% and stay the F there...lol

The mind is a thing on its own.

Why do you wanna be so small compared to the size you are now? You should be proud of your achievement tbh

**senorsalt** · 08-05-2009, 11:17 PM

good stuff to you .. pic looks good too brad whore??

**Dancer** · 08-06-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by bradhore

I know there is no evidance, but i still think it helps to reduce bodyfat with a good diet, dont u think dancer??

Higher androgen levels help your body gain muscle and the more muscle you have the higher your caloric intake/fat burning is.

Its not just winny, on a test/tren combo if you were to gain only 10 pounds but drop from 15% to 11% you will be harder and have more muscle to burn fat with.

Half this shit is individual genetics. I met some freaks in my life that taken 2g+ wortha' aas and gained little to nothing. One of my close friends is just like that. guy is 5'11'' eats like a horse, trains like a beast, and takes 1g+ aas and he seams like he is not going any where.

Personally i hate winny. Its the only aas that f'ed up my liver values. but thats just me.

Other use it and swear by it.

**Dancer** · 08-06-2009, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by bradhore

Why do you wanna be so small compared to the size you are now? You should be proud of your achievement tbh

I wanna be able to run again.

**hankdiesel** · 08-06-2009, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by bradhore

I know there is no evidance, but i still think it helps to reduce bodyfat with a good diet, dont u think dancer??

Without evidence, how can this be a fact?

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-06-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by bradhore

I know there is no evidance, but i still think it helps to reduce bodyfat with a good diet, dont u think dancer??

well that i can agree with. but thats also true with any steroid , not only winstrol . i know what you mean. all dht compounds are great for giving you the appearance that you lost fat when really you just dont hold on to any water on them. also, when dieting down, a strong androgen will do nicely to give the body a preference to burn fat rather than muscle. glad we cleared that up. we can be friends now and laugh about this later.

**Dancer** · 08-06-2009, 11:22 AM

Group hugen time.

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

well that i can agree with. but thats also true with any steroid, not only winstrol. i know what you mean. all dht compounds are great for giving you the appearance that you lost fat when really you just dont hold on to any water on them. also, when dieting down, a strong androgen will do nicely to give the body a preference to burn fat rather than muscle. glad we cleared that up. we can be friends now and laugh about this later.

**bradhore** · 08-06-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Dancer

Higher androgen levels help your body gain muscle and the more muscle you have the higher your caloric intake/fat burning is.

Its not just winny, on a test/tren combo if you were to gain only 10 pounds but drop from 15% to 11% you will be harder and have more muscle to burn fat with.

Half this shit is individual genetics. I met some freaks in my life that taken 2g+ wortha' aas and gained little to nothing. One of my close friends is just like that. guy is 5'11'' eats like a horse, trains like a beast, and takes 1g+ aas and he seams like he is not going any where.

Personally i hate winny. Its the only aas that f'ed up my liver values. but thats just me.

Other use it and swear by it.

How did you know that winny ****ed up your liver???

Did you not take milk thistle or liv52 product to help it out?

Yeah, i dont make AMAZING gains on aas, but more gains that i do from training naturally, i dont seem to gain! my fault though for jumping onto aas so quick, not enough natural training.

**Dancer** · 08-06-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by bradhore

How did you know that winny ****ed up your liver???

Did you not take milk thistle or liv52 product to help it out?

Yeah, i dont make AMAZING gains on aas, but more gains that i do from training naturally, i dont seem to gain! my fault though for jumping onto aas so quick, not enough natural training.

Just something about winny my body hates.

Here is the twisted part.

I get 20mg of halo ED by script from my doc... never had a problem...

Anavar great on my liver values.

winny I could litterally feel my liver aching... no BS.

Winny is over rated IMHO

**JiGGaMaN** · 08-06-2009, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Dancer

Just something about winny my body hates.

Here is the twisted part.

I get 20mg of halo ED by script from my doc... never had a problem...

Anavar great on my liver values.

winny I could litterally feel my liver aching... no BS.

Winny is over rated IMHO

care to share how you got halo? i wouldnt mind some, but i thought it was for hospital use only.

**Dancer** · 08-06-2009, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

care to share how you got halo? i wouldnt mind some, but i thought it was for hospital use only.

Androxy by rosemount (SP)

bought it from walmart.

I just pay the $10 copay and Annette fills my script...

oh and my doc loves me and my wife, that always helps.

**bradhore** · 08-06-2009, 11:58 AM

what is halo and what does it do? never heard of it

**ninesecz** · 08-06-2009, 12:30 PM

there are a few drugs that make you lose fat...NPP is one and clen can be another. Winny on the other hand I would say is a great diet aid but as far as winny alone causing weight loss! I got to say NO! Harder Muscles, easier to lose ft, Yes.. After your winny, are you sure you are getting fatter and not just having a lot of water / sodium retention while your ody readjusts to not having the compounds?? Did you actually have yourself clipped to see what is going on? How do your clothes fit around the waist? that is another good way to tell! Just seems as though it would be hard to gain back a noticeable amount of fat over a 2-4 week period Everyone will most likely gain a small amount back that is only human nature, but I bet the rest is your body adjusting.. wait until the PCT is over...

**Focusmen** · 08-06-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by bradhore

what is halo and what does it do? never heard of it

its a video game..... it makes you addicted to playing it. side effects can be harsh: gf break up, lose job, antisocial behavior etc. best PCT.... Call of Duty 4.

**bradhore** · 08-06-2009, 03:07 PM

dont think we're talking about the video game

**xephonics** · 08-06-2009, 05:08 PM

halotestin , it is in the steroid profiles on the main site.

**workoutfreak078** · 08-06-2009, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by bradhore

Yea your right. Think it may be all in my head. But when ever i look in the mirror during pct im sure i can see myself getting smaller everyday, i dont like it lol! its a real downer!

Join the club man.