Somebody show me the damn truth!!!

**CHAP** · 08-19-2009, 02:46 PM

Okay. I really just wanting to see actual proof . Not opinions. But actual scientific evidence from a clinical study.

Opinions are fine.LOL

Okay I hear everyone say test e and c need to be done every 3.5 days but really what is the point.

The ester is specifically put there so that you DO NOT have to stick yourself all the time.

I'm wondering is there any study that actually proves that if you take a long ester like this that you will build more muscle, burn more fat ect.(if you were on point with your diet and training)

PLEASE understand I am not bashing anyone. To each there own .

I have run cycles with injections every 7 days as well as every 3.5.

In the end I see no difference except I have gone through 2X as many needles.

**redz** · 08-19-2009, 02:52 PM

Injecting every 3.5 days will keep your blood levels more stable and thus less chance of side effects.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 08-19-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Injecting every 3.5 days will keep your blood levels more stable and thus less chance of side effects.

^^ Taking that point a step further. If you're actually trying to create "optimal" blood levels, long-esters should be injected each day as well. This allows for the fewest peaks in test levels... but many do not practice this particular protocol, simply due to inconvenience of the pinning vs. physical results (when compared to injecting E3D)

**arenawarrior** · 08-19-2009, 02:56 PM

yes.. You get the same amount but it dwindles over the length of the week. Its not like its says at the same mg of test then at the end of the week drops down to nothing.

injecting all at once: ^ peak
injecting twice a week: ---- Constant

**Vitruvian-Man** · 08-19-2009, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by arenawarrior

injecting all at once: ^ peak
injecting twice a week: ---- Constant

Not true. Injecting every 3.5 days = two peaks.

Injecting each day = constant.

**arenawarrior** · 08-19-2009, 03:02 PM

I was talking about him talking about Injecting all at once compared to 3.5 days..
Since hes doing TestE/C injecting 3.5 is best instead of all at once.. well every day is BEST. but why not do Test P if your doing it every day.

But your 100% right vitruvian.

**roserose** · 08-19-2009, 03:03 PM

Go look at the info provided by this site for the androgel . It shows graphs of the rate at which 100mg shot test cyp or e. lowers in the blood. Then you can make up your own mind. If that's not clinical enough do your own research aint doin it for you. Its out there u just haven't looked.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 08-19-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by arenawarrior

I was talking about him talking about Injecting all at once compared to 3.5 days..
Since hes doing TestE/C injecting 3.5 is best instead of all at once.. well every day is BEST. but why not do Test P if your doing it every day.

But your 100% right vitruvian.

Thanks bro.

There are a couple of reasons to shoot long esters ED...

(IE) if you're on TRT and have a quality supply of human-grade test-cyp... and you want to do your first cycle of Tren (so logically you choose Tren-A).. well rather then shooting the test every 3.5 days as usual, you would just shoot it ED with the tren-A.

Why trade U.S.A. made pharma-grade test, for 3rd world prop?

Just an example, but yah.

**arenawarrior** · 08-19-2009, 03:11 PM

not familiar with TRT, Learning new things everyday.. Going to read up on TRT when i get back from work and also look at roserose reference on the charts, i think that would be some interesting reads to see the blood levels. I just read forums to learn more i choose like 10 new topics a in the morning and read and learn =)

Didnt mean to hyjack more just commenting and learning

**roserose** · 08-19-2009, 03:16 PM

3rd world prop..LOL that's good.

**MuscleScience** · 08-19-2009, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by CHAP

Okay. I really just wanting to see actual proof . Not opinions. But actual scientific evidence from a clinical study.

Opinions are fine.LOL

Okay I hear everyone say test e and c need to be done every 3.5 days but really what is the point.

The ester is specifically put there so that you DO NOT have to stick yourself all the time.

I'm wondering is there any study that actually proves that if you take a long ester like this that you will build more muscle, burn more fat ect.(if you were on point with your diet and training)

PLEASE understand I am not bashing anyone. To each there own .

I have run cycles with injections every 7 days as well as every 3.5.

In the end I see no difference except I have gone through 2X as many needles.

LOL, Its all methodical there really isnt much evidence that that average person has access too that will support this. One can extrapolate hows and whys and all that stuff. I find it rather silly to pin a compound multiple times a week when said compound was specifically designed to be administered a certain amount of times. More than likely said compound was also studied under controlled conditions by people with a lot knowledge in chemistry, medicine, pharm....ect.