Advice on My next Cycle.

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 09:31 AM

Ive' been off cycle for a while now about 5 mouths, I'm Going to start a 12 week cycle. right now I'm 24 5'11 185 lean. my last cycle was 200mg test c and 20 mg anavar , and 2000 IUs of HCG .

20 mg Dinanabol -first 6 weelks
300mg Test C-12 weeks
200mg Deca -10 weeks
Hcg 3000 IUs per week last two weeks and for post cycle.

PLease lets me know If I should make any tweeks here or there . trying to get up to 210Lbs. lean. I might add anavar 20mg per day towards the end of the cycle. Thanks

**Vitruvian-Man** · 08-21-2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by mattusmc03

Ive' been off cycle for a while now about 5 mouths, I'm Going to start a 12 week cycle. right now I'm 24 5'11 185 lean. my last cycle was 200mg test c and 20 mg anavar , and 2000 IUs of HCG .

20 mg Dinanabol -first 6 weelks
300mg Test C-12 weeks
200mg Deca -10 weeks
Hcg 3000 IUs per week last two weeks and for post cycle.

PLease lets me know If I should make any tweeks here or there . trying to get up to 210Lbs. lean. I might add anavar 20mg per day towards the end of the cycle. Thanks

^^ those are some very, very low dosages... They aren't really anywhere near bodybuilding dosages.. especially for your age. 200mg each week of deca = the therapeutic dosage..

Do you feel you can make quality gains off such low dosages? (i'm asking, because if so STICK with the cycle you proposed.. but, if it was me, I'd literally increase the dose on all those compounds...)

**Alphatier** · 08-21-2009, 09:41 AM

At 5'11" your frame could hold more than 180lbs naturally.

Anyways, I'm not going to hold a lecture on DIET.

But what's up with the low dosages? IMO I'd drop the D-Bol and just do Test and Deca .

Week 1-14 Test C 300mg is OK
Week 1-12 Deca At least 400-500mg/week.

What's your PCT look like?

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 09:52 AM

I'm about 5-7% BF I'm pretty lean...I eat very clean and I do a lot of runnung and swimming. asfor the deca at 400mg shouldn't test be highter than the deca?

**thai-lan** · 08-21-2009, 09:44 AM

dont bother running anavar if you are planning to run it at 20mg ed

Also how lean are yoU??? bodyfat % is needed

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 09:49 AM

Yea I know there low. Iv'e never really gone all out before. My goal is to get to 210. SHould bump the test to 400mgs? I have the Dbol there for that "quick jump start" I would like to keep the doses as low as I can. that and Ive never taken Dbol before so I'm not sure what to expect.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 08-21-2009, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by mattusmc03

Yea I know there low. Iv'e never really gone all out before. My goal is to get to 210. SHould bump the test to 400mgs? I have the Dbol there for that "quick jump start" I would like to keep the doses as low as I can. that and Ive never taken Dbol before so I'm not sure what to expect.

OK. That's fair enough.

Basically, you could keep the test @ 300mg. I would increase the deca to at 300mg though.

I would also run the deca for 12 weeks. and the test for 14 weeks. (10 weeks doesn't do justice to deca, as it takes nearly 4 - 6 weeks to kick in)

Start @ 20mg of d-bol, each day.. You'll probably want to bump that up, after a couple of weeks though.. I suggest 30 - 40mg for a first cycle.

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 10:03 AM

Nice. thanks man. how about For PCT will HGC be enough

**thai-lan** · 08-21-2009, 10:21 AM

hell no !!! hcg only pct?? i need to know what you have on hand for pct, only hcg ???

**redz** · 08-21-2009, 10:22 AM

HCG is not a pct.............

**thai-lan** · 08-21-2009, 10:25 AM

you might want to hold off that cycle until you learn about proper PCT because of IMO PCT plays the main role for a cycle...

So check here out buddy and let us know when ur done reading then we could tweak your pct thoughts

http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 10:36 AM

Yea for the most part HCG and novadex 20mgs/perday. for the PCT

**Alphatier** · 08-21-2009, 10:43 AM

Get Clomid and Nolva for PCT, and HCG should not be part of it.

Bro I suggest do a little more research before you do your next cycle.

**workoutfreak078** · 08-21-2009, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by lean n' mean

Get Clomid and Nolva for PCT, and HCG should not be part of it.

Bro I suggest do a little more research before you do your next cycle.

Isn't it bad to take Nolva when you do a cycle with Deca ?

**thai-lan** · 08-21-2009, 10:43 AM

Hcg instead of clomid in pct?

you do not run hcg during PCT , you run it up until PCT then continue with nolva/clomid

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 11:07 AM

well I am running nolva with PCT 20mg/perday and stoping the HCG two weeks after my cycle and continueing the nolv. I'm also under the supervision of a docter. I get my blood work done every three months. althought the only things I get from her is test C and HCG.

**thai-lan** · 08-21-2009, 11:14 AM

nolva only pct isnt enough

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 11:18 AM

what do you reconmmend bro? I do want to say I appreciate the help guys. thanks keep it comming

**TITANIUM** · 08-21-2009, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by mattusmc03

what do you reconmmend bro? I do want to say I appreciate the help guys. thanks keep it comming

Here it is:
Deca @ 400 mgs wk 10 wks
test @ 500 mgs wk 12 wks
Hcg 500 iu's ed last 2/3 wks of cycle
Clomid 100/50/50/50= (start 14 days after last test pin, with the tamo).
tamo 60/40/40/20

Deca is very suppressive, so my PCT is a little more aggressive for this type of cycle.

BG · 08-21-2009, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by TITANIUM

Here it is:
Deca @ 400 mgs wk 10 wks
test @ 500 mgs wk 12 wks
Hcg 500 iu's ed last 2/3 wks of cycle
Clomid 100/50/50/50= (start 14 days after last test pin, with the tamo).
tamo 60/40/40/20

Deca is very suppressive, so my PCT is a little more aggressive for this type of cycle.

I wouldnt go this high with the dosages. I dont why you would tell someone thats been running low dosages to increase that much?

Original poster.....If anything go with 400 test and 300 deca, that will be fine. Run the hcg during your cycle at 200iu's 2x ew and use nolva /clomid for pct.

**thai-lan** · 08-21-2009, 11:25 AM

hcg you could start last 2 -3 weeks into your cycle up until pct
pct starts two weeks after last shot of test

Nolva 40-20-20-20mg
Clomid 100-50-50-50mg

**ninesecz** · 08-21-2009, 11:31 AM

I also do not think 20mg of Anavar a day is going to yield much of a result. that is very very low dosage to try and get any results from it. I would look into doing 40-60mg a day which by today's standards is still quite low but known to be effective. I just think it would be a waste of your money to do 20mg a day

**TITANIUM** · 08-21-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by ninesecz

I also do not think 20mg of Anavar a day is going to yield much of a result. that is very very low dosage to try and get any results from it. I would look into doing 40-60mg a day which by today's standards is still quite low but known to be effective. I just think it would be a waste of your money to do 20mg a day

Nine, Just a quick HI BRO!!!!

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 11:42 AM

nice sounds good.I do get blood work done the reason i'm keeping my doses low. is becease my test levels at 800 naturaly. what should my tartget test level on cycle be 2500?

**TITANIUM** · 08-21-2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by mattusmc03

nice sounds good.I do get blood work done the reason i'm keeping my doses low. is becease my test levels at 800 naturaly. what should my tartget test level on cycle be 2500?

Any syn test will suppresss your natty test.

So, what your natty test is off cycle has nothing to do with your on cycle levels.

**mattusmc03** · 08-21-2009, 03:13 PM

isn't that why you take HCG you don't suppress your natty test levels? when your on cycle. there are optuim test level to be at. where gains can be maximize and side effects kept to a minium, this is comming from my endocrinologist.