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**TOP** · 08-24-2009, 08:07 AM

I have been contemplating my first cycle . My wife and i have talked about it and decided to go for it. I would like to do this the safest way i can. Im 26 years old 210 lbs. @14% and 6' tall and have been naturally bodybuilding for 7 years and have started a personal training business from that. I have a great knowledge of the natural world but ignorant to the "Dark side." I have been to the doctor and had a blood test and i have checked out healthy. The cycle im going for is Trenbolone and testosterone . I know a friend thats 42 and has been on it for 3 years. My questions are: Post cycle therapy , what should i use what should i do?
Seeing how this is my first cycle how much of a dose do you recommend?
Should i watch for any type of red flags?
Like i said before im trying to do this with as much knowledge as possible to keep myself safe,i try not to be a goon and just jump into anything.
I also understand that it will probably be hard for you to gauge what i need but anything you can do will be deeply appreciated and if you do not feel comfortable answering this question thats perfectly fine thank you very much in advance!

**TOP** · 08-24-2009, 08:47 AM

Well upon more reading this seems to be the smartest thing to start a first cycle with. And leave the tren alone for now.

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate WEEKLY

Would i be correct?

**sigman roid** · 08-24-2009, 09:31 AM

Firstly do not think about doing Tren as a first cycle very bad move.A first cycle should really consist of 1 compound Test E or c 300- 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks split into 2 shots every 3.5 days if you did 12 weeks then your pct would start week 15 and consist of nolva and clomid

**ninesecz** · 08-24-2009, 09:32 AM

You almot got flamed!! LOL Yeh you do not want to go fooling around with tren .. and if your friend has been on it for 3 years i would tell him to get off for a while before he only has 3 years left to his life! Just go with the tet only cycle and you will still get great results.

**TOP** · 08-25-2009, 08:14 AM

[QUOTE=ninesecz;4826706]You almot got flamed!! LOL QUOTE]

Yeah sorry about that!!! after more searching this looks to be the one for me, any objections?

start out with a cycle of 10-12 weeks @500 mg of testosterone (cypionate or enanthate ) only. PCT consists of HCG and nolvadex , sometimes combined with clomid. As an example a 10 week testosterone cycle. then you would run Nolva and Clomid :

Week 11-12 : 20 mg nolva
Week 13-14 : 20 mg nolva + 100 mg clomid
Week 15-16 ; 20 mg Nolva + 50 mg Clomid
Week 17-18 : 20 mg nolva

With HCG you have two routes. The first is to administer small doses thgroughout the cycle, like 1x500 IU or 2x 250 Iu every week. In theory this is the best option. Youcan also use shock doses, starting week 10 with 3000 IU, another 3000 5 days later, then 1500 5 days after that and a last shot of 1500 5 days after that. Totalling 4 shots in 20 days (3weeks). In practice both means are equally effective and the latter has literature backing it in PCT. So the choice is yours, only if you go with very lengthy cycles of 16 weeks or more would I pick the first option over the latter, I usually go with the latter, strictly for convenience.

**sigman roid** · 08-25-2009, 08:34 AM

A standard pct for that cycle would be
nolva
40/20/20/20
clomid
100/50/50/50

**TOP** · 08-25-2009, 11:05 AM

so in revision the cycle should be:

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate WEEKLY
Week 11-12 : 40 mg nolva +100 mg clomid
Week 13-14 : 20 mg nolva + 50 mg clomid
Week 15-16 ; 20 mg Nolva + 50 mg Clomid
Week 17-18 : 20 mg nolva+ 50mg clomid

Nothing more?
sorry so anal, just trying to get this correct thanks again!

**sigman roid** · 08-25-2009, 11:21 AM

Your pct on a 10 week cycle would start week 13 you have the doses right just the wrong timing

And you are splitting your test in to 2 shots of 250mg right?

**needle** · 08-25-2009, 12:19 PM

Tren in the first cycle .. Defiantly a big negative on that... Test alone will be just fine... If your thinking about adding another compound with test, a nice low dosage of dbol wouldn't hurt... The best thing you can do is research and stop listening to what everyone else has to say... GOOD LUCK

**Matt** · 08-25-2009, 12:25 PM

You should also look at having an ai on hand...

**TOP** · 08-25-2009, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

Your pct on a 10 week cycle would start week 13 you have the doses right just the wrong timing

And you are splitting your test in to 2 shots of 250mg right?

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate WEEKLY
Week 13-14 : 40 mg nolva +100 mg clomid
Week 15-16 : 20 mg nolva + 50 mg clomid
Week 17-18 ; 20 mg Nolva + 50 mg Clomid
Week 19-12 : 20 mg nolva+ 50mg clomid

This better?
and yes, 250s every 3.5 days, monday morning, thursday night.

**Matt** · 08-25-2009, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by topherhinton

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate WEEKLY
Week 13-14 : 40 mg nolva +100 mg clomid
Week 15-16 : 20 mg nolva + 50 mg clomid
Week 17-18 ; 20 mg Nolva + 50 mg Clomid
Week 19-12 : 20 mg nolva+ 50mg clomid

This better?
and yes, 250s every 3.5 days, monday morning, thursday night.

Looks good bro...

**TOP** · 08-25-2009, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by 007

Looks good bro...

Thanks ive made leaps and bounds in a couple of days with knowledge!! But still a long road! thanks guys

**sigman roid** · 08-25-2009, 01:04 PM

Your cycle ends week 10 pct starts week 13 so it will run like this
week13-14
nolva 40mg/clomid 100mg
week14-15
nolva 20mg/clomid 50mg
week15-16
nolva 20mg/clomid 50mg
week16-17
nolva 20mg/clomid50mg

**TOP** · 08-25-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

Your cycle ends week 10 pct starts week 13 so it will run like this
week13-14
nolva 40mg/clomid 100mg
week14-15
nolva 20mg/clomid 50mg
week15-16
nolva 20mg/clomid 50mg
week16-17
nolva 20mg/clomid50mg

Thats mo betta!! thanks

**stpete** · 08-25-2009, 02:13 PM

Sounds like you're on the right road. I have to agree with the others and inform you that using tren right now would be a mistake. Stick to the test for now.

**TOP** · 08-25-2009, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Sounds like you're on the right road. I have to agree with the others and inform you that using tren right now would be a mistake. Stick to the test for now.

Will do! The tren was what was suggested, then i did my own research and found out that i shouldnt! There is a doc here locally that does trt and i asked if she did it for 26 year olds and they said she did but you would have to talk with her. Ihave heard alot of things about this woman,including she is under investigation for killing someone? It seems to be she was giving them armor thyroid and lasix,and the person went into shock? I dont know if thats true or not but thats the word on the "street" So now im skeptical about going to her!! If i do i will tell her what im about to do and i just need her to watch my bloodwork and make sure evrything has an eye kept on it. I dont know, we shall see!