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    1st cycle Teste E and equipoise at 200mg/week

    Im about ready to pop my cherry but need one last look over. I have had tendonitis/labral tear in my shoulder for close to a year now and want to get a strength boost in my joints. What do you think about this cycle?
    1-12 weeks Test E at 200/mg week (reason so low is to help with collagen synth.)
    1-12 weeks Equipoise 500/mg week.(compliments test E with regeneration)
    followed by PCT Nolva and Clomid
    nolva 40-20-20-20 clomid 100-50-50-50
    Also with this cyle if correct how Much of each would cover this necessary cycle.( ex. 1 bottle of test e 250, 2 bottles of equipiose, 2 packs of clomid and nolva never cycled before don't know etc)
    I am willing to dose lower Test E because I researched in the article below that joints will be sacrificed with any larger dose a week and the greater point of this cycle is to help with shoulder joint issues. Does anybody see anything wrong with cycle or had any sucess with a similar cycle. I chose this cycle over Deca because of water retention.

    One of the best reasons to run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - w/ test is that Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - will dramatically increase your collagen synthesis while test will reduce your tendon strength and collagen sythesis. Same with Anavar and Primobolan - methenolone - .

    Most of you have probably seen this article from another board but it's a great read and re-read:

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    While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

    Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

    Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

    Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

    You can plan a cycle of anabolic steroids which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

    Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use anabolic steroids like sus, testosterone cypionate , or testosterone enanthate .

    While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

    To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , Anavar, or Primobolan - methenolone - as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , anavar and Primobolan - methenolone - will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

    Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

    Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.

    Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - .

    Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies doenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

    These drugs have longer half-lives than most other anabolic steroids, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:

    Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - : 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

    Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

    gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, human growth hormone - somatropin - at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

    Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , Primobolan - methenolone - , anavar, and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - just seems to do so most dramatically.

    Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain anabolic steroids, the decision is up to you.
    Last edited by Jookington; 08-25-2009 at 02:54 PM.

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    Wow glad you posted this i never knew that tendon deterioration was due to collagen decrease i just assumed you got stronger so fast the tendon wasnt able to keep up!

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    bumpity bump bump bumity bump

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    I think you are razy to be doing any anabolics at all with any type of tear

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    can you afford GH?

    I remember reading about procollagen III levels being test to detect GH abuse

    hold on.....


    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00001/art00024


    The problem with tendonitis is collapsed or near collapsed procollagen III and collagen syn...

    lets break it down... Lets say you have low< near zero levels, ok... Alright what happens when you increase it 300%... you got near zero increased 3X still pretty freaking low...

    That is the problem it will help but not a F of a lot....


    AAS will not solve the problem...

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    Dont know why you would consider it crazy. Most steroids were developed to were developed for medical reasons and research. My shoulder is about 80% as of now butwouldlike to strengthen the cuff and help induce a stronger stability. Not looking for a dbol tren whinnt stack just something that hps with back up research. Anyone tried a similar stack?

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