New Cycle - what you guys think?

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 12:05 PM

hey fellas,
been a while since i cycled. Been steady lifting. I'm 28, 5'10" at 225 with 11-13% body fat. had 4 or 5 cycles the best one being test prop, winny, and tren ace. bout 4 or 5 yrs ago. Anyways here it goes.

Schedule & Dosages
Week 1-18: 1000 mg test enth/week
Week 1-16: 600 mg Tren Enth/week
Week 1-20: 400 mg masteron shot eod
Week 19-21: 500 iu's HCG every 5 days
Week 20: 40 mg nolva & 100 mg Clomid & 50 mg Proviron per day
Week 21: 30 mg nolva & 50 mg Clomid & 50 mg Proviron per day
Week 22: 20 mg nolva & 50 mg Clomid & 50 mg Proviron per day
Week 23: 20 mg nolva & 25 mg Proviron per day

I also will be taking clen and t3 througout the cycle. Last time i did tren my hair thinned, it eventually thickened back up but i'd rather avoid it this time. Should i get some finasteride to take. I don't know much bout it does it have any adverse effects on the cycle. Thanks in advance guys.

More importantly, is that pct good for that cycle, is there anything i should replace or add? I've got arimidex but i didn't think i'd need it.

**redz** · 09-21-2009, 12:08 PM

When was the last time you cycled? That cycle is very very long. With cycles like this a bit of hair loss is more than likely especially if you experienced it in the past.

**redz** · 09-21-2009, 12:10 PM

PCT should start week 21 not 20 and you should run the clomid longer and possibly the novla too for such a long cycle. I would also drop the proviron during pct as it can be supressive.

**Hazard** · 09-21-2009, 12:16 PM

I agree with Redz..... ALSO..... drop your test to atleast 750mg's..... with all that tren - you're going to see real nice gains..... no need for that much test - ESPECIALLY if you havn't cycled in a few years. I would also start the HCG around week 4 and run it through week 20. 250iu's 3x a week..... running it the way you have it listed may not be enough to shoclk the testes. If you start it week 4 - you wont need to "shock" them with a higher dosage which can be detrimental to fsh/LH production.

~Haz~

~Haz~

**romo6** · 09-21-2009, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by greekboy

hey fellas,
been a while since i cycled. Been steady lifting. I'm 28, 5'10" at 225 with 11-13% body fat. had 4 or 5 cycles the best one being test prop, winny, and tren ace. bout 4 or 5 yrs ago. Anyways here it goes.

Schedule & Dosages
Week 1-18: 1000 mg test enth/week
Week 1-16: 600 mg Tren Enth/week
Week 1-20: 400 mg masteron shot eod
Week 19-21: 500 iu's HCG every 5 days
Week 20: 40 mg nolva & 100 mg Clomid & 50 mg Proviron per day
Week 21: 30 mg nolva & 50 mg Clomid & 50 mg Proviron per day
Week 22: 20 mg nolva & 50 mg Clomid & 50 mg Proviron per day
Week 23: 20 mg nolva & 25 mg Proviron per day

I also will be taking clen and t3 througout the cycle. Last time i did tren my hair thinned, it eventually thickened back up but i'd rather avoid it this time. Should i get some finasteride to take. I don't know much bout it does it have any adverse effects on the cycle. Thanks in advance guys.

More importantly, is that pct good for that cycle, is there anything i should replace or add? I've got arimidex but i didn't think i'd need it.

I myself,like it.Have fun.

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 12:20 PM

cycled bout a year and a half ago. Test, eq, and deca . you think another week for the clomid and nolva. I wasnt sure bout the proviron i just had it on hand. I was trying to think of a way to take it during the cycle but i dont think i have enough.

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 12:21 PM

ha thanks romo,
hazard, using the hcg like that is what i was thinking for the proviron . which one would be better?

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 12:55 PM

should i get some letro for progestin related gyno?

**redz** · 09-21-2009, 12:56 PM

should i get some letro for progestin related gyno?

Letro will not cure progesterone problems, you want caber or bromo for this. Letro is still good to have on hand though.

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 01:00 PM

caber will help with those issues, not just for libido issues is it?

**redz** · 09-21-2009, 01:02 PM

caber will cure prolactin and progesterone problems where Letro will only lower estrogen which may help the other issues but not eliminate them.

**Mooseman33** · 09-21-2009, 01:03 PM

long heavy cycle...

good luck bro.

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 01:05 PM

so both at a low dose throughout the cycle would be a good idea? along with some finasteride?

**alpmaster** · 09-21-2009, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Letro will not cure progesterone problems, you want caber or bromo for this. Letro is still good to have on hand though.

Letro will cure any progesterone related problem as well.

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 01:26 PM

okay who is wrong here. what do i need to not have gyno. i have arimidex . But letro is better for the test. what do i need for the tren related gyno. Is letro good, or do i need caber?

**Hazard** · 09-21-2009, 02:20 PM

ok..... You need caber for the tren related gyno (progesterone) - you need adex or letro for estrogen....

HCG should be a definate while on this cycle. Proviron and HCG are completely different..... Proviron is a very very mild anti-e and should not be relied upon for that purpose. It can help free up testosterone tho and will surely help any libido problems.

Use the HCG as I outlined and if you want to run proviron also - i'd use 50-75mg's/day - it is a DHT derivative tho..... so it can increase hairloss if you are prone.

~Haz~

**alpmaster** · 09-21-2009, 02:32 PM

Caber only reduces prolactin levels, it has nothing to do with progesterone. Progesterone receptors still require some levels of estrogen to be present to mediate actions, so that is why letro still works for tren induced gyno as well.

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 02:58 PM

Man that's an iffy issue I've read back and forth. I'm just gonna get both and hope it works. I will def run the hcg like u said haz I appreciate I have 10000 ius hopefully it's enough haven't done the math yet

**Hazard** · 09-21-2009, 03:03 PM

thats roughly 13 weeks worth of HCG at 250iu's 3x a week. Remember.... HCG can lose potency over time..... i'd definately get a little more.

~Haz~

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 03:06 PM

Hey haz, doin hcg at 750 ius for 16 weeks is 12000 ius. Is it possible to change that to where I don't have to order more. I have 10000

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 03:08 PM

I had a feeling u were gonna say that. I'll see what I can round up.

**chuckt12345** · 09-21-2009, 03:13 PM

Id lower the test for one

**Hazard** · 09-21-2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by greekboy

I had a feeling u were gonna say that. I'll see what I can round up.

You can probably get away with 250iu's twice a week......

~Haz~

**chuckt12345** · 09-21-2009, 03:16 PM

I wouldnt run the hcg consecutively thought the cycle,, maybe in the middle and then at end

**Hazard** · 09-21-2009, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

I wouldnt run the hcg consecutively thought the cycle,, maybe in the middle and then at end

I wouldn't start until week 4 or 5 but if you stop somewhere inbetween your just letting your testes to fully shutdown again..... If you keep it at a low dosage you don't have to worry about desensitization..... anything over 500iu's in one shot may desensitize the testes. just my .02

~Haz~

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 03:28 PM

What if I was to do 750 weeks like 4-8 then go with a lower dosage for the next 6 or 7 then at the end jump the dosage back up. Or is that counterproductive

**Hazard** · 09-21-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by greekboy

What if I was to do 750 weeks like 4-8 then go with a lower dosage for the next 6 or 7 then at the end jump the disagree back up. Or is that counterproductive

You mean the test dosage? Keep it the same throughout..... you will see results at 750mg's/wk...... if you can't grow off that..... something is wrong lol

~Haz~

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 03:33 PM

no the hcg , my bad man should have been more clear yeah the test is the same throughout

**Hazard** · 09-21-2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by greekboy

no the hcg, my bad man should have been more clear yeah the test is the same throughout

Nope.... just run 250iu's 2-3 times per week..... not 750iu's. You don't want to shoot more than 500iu's at one time - it MAY cause desensitization in the testes.

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 09-21-2009, 03:41 PM

OH i see what you meant..... you were talking 750iu's for the week.....

You could probably run 250iu's twice a week from weeks 4-10 and up it to 250iu's 3 times per week if you feel you need to.....

I wouldn't start at 3 times per week.... then drop to twice.... then up it back to 3....

~Haz~

**Critical Mass** · 09-21-2009, 03:43 PM

Why do you wanna do such a long cycle? Have you always run so long? Im thinking tough recovery.

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 04:08 PM

yeah i've ran a couple long ones. Hey haz, thanks for all the input on the hcg . You got any advice for the caber and letro?

**romo6** · 09-21-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

Id lower the test for one

You have a good point,750 would work just fine.

**greekboy** · 09-21-2009, 04:30 PM

if i lower the test to 750 you guys think i should lower the tren to 500 or 400 mgs

**romo6** · 09-22-2009, 06:51 PM

Truthfully,and being realistic 750 of test and 400 of tren e would work awesome.Not only would you not run thru so much gear but your gains would most likely be just as good,and you probably would feel better.