this is gonna be my very first cycle, any suggestions cuz ima virgin

[charlesriley]

my goal is to look like saint pierre, a 175 jet li or just a really fit dry muscular look much like a disciplined mma fighter, i am a current soccer player and runner, i work out alot and just recently hit the weight room on a daily routine.

my virgin cycle as of right now is gonna be oral win and test susp with clomid stack
or
primoloban and oral anavar with clenbuterol or albuterol and a and clomid pct
or
test susp stacked with clenbuterol ,clomid
or
MOST LIKELY----> WINSTROL TABS EVERY OTHER DAY ANAVAR TABS EVERYDAY AND CLOMID WITH CLEN AT THE END

best cyle any suggestions with the above ingredients or anything else if its imperative for a first cyle advice and criticism openly invited, say anything

[peachfuzz]

stats?

[charlesriley]

im am 5'10 163 and 13% athletic but not like yall more like a scrawny dude, much like david beckham body

[Vitruvian-Man]

my goal is to look like saint pierre, a 175 jet li

im...much like david beckham body

LOL... bro, these descriptions are too funny. love the visual references.

[peachfuzz]

age?

[charlesriley]

alot of my swimmer friends and soccer friends took win but on a irregular basis and they got more define and cut?,,, does cylce length effect need for pct?

[charlesriley]

should i stay away from striaght up tests? cuz im so young in this game?

[charlesriley]

thanks, just tryin to help those that are gonna help me visualize the sit

[charlesriley]

20, 21 in december, no health problems at all,

[ythrashin]

All those cycles you posted are CRAP. Dont do any of them! Do some research... Where you come up with that trash?

You need to run test in your cycles. Test should always be the Base of a cycle.
For a first cycle Test only is the way to go...

Test suspension definitely is not the right choice for a first cycle. Test suspension needs to be pinned ED. I doubt you could handle that being new to the game. Hell I doubt you could handle Test prop EOD... Start out with Test E then mix some var in later. You dont need clen just do more cardio....

[Jfew44]

my goal is to look like saint pierre, a 175 jet li or just a really fit dry muscular look much like a disciplined mma fighter, i am a current soccer player and runner, i work out alot and just recently hit the weight room on a daily routine.

my virgin cycle as of right now is gonna be oral win and test susp with clomid stack
or
primoloban and oral anavar with clenbuterol or albuterol and a and clomid pct
or
test susp stacked with clenbuterol ,clomid
or
MOST LIKELY----> WINSTROL TABS EVERY OTHER DAY ANAVAR TABS EVERYDAY AND CLOMID WITH CLEN AT THE END

best cyle any suggestions with the above ingredients or anything else if its imperative for a first cyle advice and criticism openly invited, say anything

Reasons why you shouldn't cycle in bold. You are thinking about taking test suspension for your first cycle? You need to do some research bro. You should not even be thinking about cycling until you've been in the weight room consistantly for years.

[ythrashin]

alot of my swimmer friends and soccer friends took win but on a irregular basis and they got more define and cut?,,, does cylce length effect need for pct?

Tendon injury just waiting to happen and that was just water weight. Winny sheds water...

[ythrashin]

Reasons why you shouldn't cycle in bold. You are thinking about taking test suspension for your first cycle? You need to do some research bro. You should not even be thinking about cycling until you've been in the weight room consistantly for years.

x2

[charlesriley]

and for anti estro?? stack clomid right? or pct?

[ythrashin]

and for anti estro?? stack clomid right? or pct?

AI,no and yes for PCT!!

[charlesriley]

i been in the wieght room on a regular basis for years like 4 times a week and i work like a freak, daily is just recent, i can work and work and work and gain 2lbs of muscle in a year, i have tried in the past. i am in shape though and do run a copious amount and i am very active and have a labor job. im not a pale skinned office nerd tryin to get huge all of a sudden,,however thanks my stacks are un experienced and i would appreciate any suggestions on a cylcle if you wanna help me

[charlesriley]

wont i get symptoms or estro side effects if i dont combat the armoatization while its in my system?

[charlesriley]

thanks i am realizing that i would be overdoin it and kill my body, what would you do? low 160's 5''10 10% and i am a workout freak, im not new to fitness, i just want to push myself over the edge and get razor'ed out while puttin on some lean meat.

[Jfew44]

i been in the wieght room on a regular basis for years like 4 times a week and i work like a freak, daily is just recent, i can work and work and work and gain 2lbs of muscle in a year, i have tried in the past. i am in shape though and do run a copious amount and i am very active and have a labor job. im not a pale skinned office nerd tryin to get huge all of a sudden,,however thanks my stacks are un experienced and i would appreciate any suggestions on a cylcle if you wanna help me

Your problem is your diet. All the AAS in the world won't change your body chemistry unless your diet is good. If you can only gain 2lbs of muscle in a year, I guarentee your diet is the culprit.

[ythrashin]

wont i get symptoms or estro side effects if i dont combat the armoatization while its in my system?

Perhaps...everyone is different. You need to find out how your body will react to these different substances. Then some steroids cause side effects from other hormones. For example tren and deca can cause prolactin and progesterone sides.

Start slow if you start at all. Keep it simple Test E 400mg wk for 10-12 wks maybe some Var at the end...9-14 50mg ed... PCT 4 weeks, starting 2 weeks after last pin clomid or nolva.

I think though that you could wait and reach some if not all your goals being as young as you are. Its best to start AAS at 25+...IMO

[charlesriley]

you are correct bout that, i eat healthy actually very healthy compared to a american average person but compared to a bodybuilder i eat shit

[sully15]

if you workout that hard and gain about 2 pounds in a year and your only 160 at 5'10.. you need to learn how to eat to grow..

[ythrashin]

Sorry to change the subject...but who is that chick in your avatar Jfew44? Damn she is HOT!!

[charlesriley]

its the soccer, and running. my meto is sky high and i eat alot of carbs to back up my athletic scheldule, and in the gym i get stronger all the time but the weight and size never accompany. i just get a little more defined but not alot.

[zaggahamma]

Your problem is your diet. All the AAS in the world won't change your body chemistry unless your diet is good. If you can only gain 2lbs of muscle in a year, I guarentee your diet is the culprit.

so how much minimum could a hardgainer add in a year with optimum diet

[charlesriley]

so how much minimum could a hardgainer add in a year with optimum diet

yeah tru dat, how bout primoloban by itself and a clomid pct?

[ythrashin]

yeah tru dat, how bout primoloban by itself and a clomid pct?

No... you need TEST.

[charlesriley]

and for aroma? and pct? or do i need not to worry since my body is new

[charlesriley]

nevermind, got ur post up there,,,im just tryin to understand

[ythrashin]

and for aroma? and pct? or do i need not to worry since my body is new

HAVE A AI ON HAND!! Like armidex or aromasin to combat estrogen.

YOU ALWAYS NEED A PCT! Nolva or clomid....

[charlesriley]

whats var?

[charlesriley]

o anavar lol.. damn

[ythrashin]

Var = anavar

[charlesriley]

do i do just cardio for the test e water? or would clen or albu be okay for me?

[zaggahamma]

do i do just cardio for the test e water? or would clen or albu be okay for me?

seems like youre doing plenty of cardio soccer dude, no?

[ythrashin]

An AI will help control bloat caused by estrogen while on-cycle. Then cardio will do the rest...

[charlesriley]

yeah i do alot of cardio but i wanna be a all round fit good toned guy,,,not a ectomorph that gave up and just runs a shitload cuz hes done tryin or got to frustrated and now hes a runner only, i wanna look like rocky balboa from the 80's,...and i am ready to work for it 2

[charlesriley]

if i chose to add parabolan to the stck your suggesting would that be advisable?

[Duma23]

Do the following,
Weeks 1 - 10, 500mg Testosterone E (2 x 250mg mon and thurs)
Armoasin 12.5mg everyday or 25mg EOD,
PCT Weeks 12 - 16, Clomid 100,50,50,50, Nolvadex 40,40,20,20.
U need to eat atleast 6 meals a day with complex carbs and protein in them (visit the diet section)

Do not use anything other than test u wont get anymore gains only more sides.

[ythrashin]

if i chose to add parabolan to the stck your suggesting would that be advisable?

no no no no no