Tren & Winnie

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:11 AM

I just started my 1st cyle of Tren & Winnie ....... im doing 50mg Mon,Weds,Fri of TREN and 100 mg Mon,Weds,Fri of Winnie.....

In how long should i start seeing progress and affects? because im looking on getting shredded for halloween my diet is awesome!

Im 22 5'10 175lbs...

**sigman roid** · 10-06-2009, 10:19 AM

You using any test with the Tren and winnie??

**Mooseman33** · 10-06-2009, 10:22 AM

this cant be real.

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:24 AM

No just TREN & Winnie

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:25 AM

im taking novedex for natural TEST boost

**Big** · 10-06-2009, 10:30 AM

Horrible cycle, what's your planned pct? You do realize that nolva will not boost your natural test that you have already completely suppressed by taking a 19nor, right? Not to mention that your stats indicate your diet is far from ok.

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:32 AM

On not taking NOLVADEX .... m just taking a test booster and im pretty big i have 16 arms and muscular chest i just wanna ripp down

**thefunkybuddha** · 10-06-2009, 10:33 AM

5'10" 175...your not shredded already?

**thefunkybuddha** · 10-06-2009, 10:33 AM

lets see some pics

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:34 AM

im pretty cut but i wanna get shredded i have some water retention im trynna lose all that with the winnie and tren

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:38 AM

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/punkd87/me.jpg

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:40 AM

Those are my pics

**thefunkybuddha** · 10-06-2009, 10:40 AM

Id want to bulk up if i were you...then cut down...but thats just me.

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 10:42 AM

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**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:42 AM

nah ive bulked up to 190 with Test/Deca /Anavar i didnt like that look... i wanna get shredded LIKE A SPARTAN lol

**ghettoboyd** · 10-06-2009, 10:43 AM

here we go again.......

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 10:45 AM

You need to forget the tren and winny for now.

Bulking cycle, if anything.

I would put on some weight through diet first.

Most of your last cycle was either water retention, or poor PCT protocol

T

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:47 AM

BF%: 10%
Cycle Exp: 2nd Cyle
PCT Knowledge: I have Purus Labs RECYCLE for PCT or i just get HCG and IM DRINKNG organ shield protects you while on cycle.
Training Exp: Im a wrestler i know how to lift ive been lifting for 4 yrs
Diet: morning - egg whites/bagel/orange use- 10:30 - tuna w/lemon/Protein/banana/ 2:30 chicken breast/sweet potato/greens/apple or banana 5:30 SAME ____ night Protein and Fruits thats my diet to cut down !!!!

**thefunkybuddha** · 10-06-2009, 10:49 AM

at 10% bf you should see more definition than you do.. you need to build up your muscles. Just my 2 cents

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:50 AM

Listen im looking for help people with experience and opinions and advice if you gonna come here to talk smack or not help dont bother writing MR. HERE WE GO AGAIn im obviously writing here to ask for help im not an expert dum ass

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 10:51 AM

Do you know your macros?

Go to the diet section and post your diet.

Let some of our diet experts work on that.

Then post your training protocol in the workout section.

Scrap the cycle for now.

Best

T

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:51 AM

Water retention is what is hiding my definition .... i just wanna go through with this cycle see how im gonna end up.

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:53 AM

Thnx T.

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 10:55 AM

And i dont wanna bulk people.

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 10:59 AM

Running this cycle you proposed is not very good.

I will not get into the specifics of why.

Your 2 young to be running gear anyways.

Tren will slam the crap out of your HPTA.

At your weight,if you still are holding water, then that is a indicator of diet and cardio issues.(Exercise)...

I'm trying to help you.

So try to listen to what I am saying.

If you go and run this cycle, but won't take advice, and run it anyways, then why are you here???

Best

T

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 11:03 AM

I tried to help him.

Thanxs to BIG for your input.

Can't save them all.

Hope he re-thinks this more.

Best

T

**ghettoboyd** · 10-06-2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Lstar

Listen im looking for help people with experience and opinions and advice if you gonna come here to talk smack or not help dont bother writing MR. HERE WE GO AGAIn im obviously writing here to ask for help im not an expert dum ass

it just gets old with these same questions day in and day out....its obvious you have read the profiles of the compounds you want to run...whats escaping you is that you cycle is not the best for your goals....if you want help then go to the diet forum and post your diet again..there are good peeps there that will set you on the path to success....you appear to be in good shape so aas may not be needed as much as a good diet......i would suggest you tone down your attitude as well cus your stay here will be short....you have to expect a little flack when you come onto a forum where peeps know there shit and ask a not so educated question......im sorry i offended you.....

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 11:04 AM

Ive been stepping up my CARDIO ....... But give me more advice

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Lstar

Ive been stepping up my CARDIO ....... But give me more advice

Post your training in the lifting/technique's section.

**higherdesire** · 10-06-2009, 11:11 AM

Lstar listen to these guys. You are on a vicious path to cycle and be worse off than you were before. You will wind up frustrated and discouraged. The real key to the city you want to live in is in diet and proper exercise. In other words you do not have those two down or you wouldn't be trying to cycle, and you damn sure wouldn't look like you do. The path of least resistance here is doing gear, and you are tryin gto take that. Problem is your choice in that is not a good one either. Seriously man post your diet and work out and get the help there. Work on the advice given you for 6 months and see if we are lying to you. You have nothing to loose by getting a better diet and work out routine. You have a lot to loose doing what you are doing.

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 11:13 AM

Bro, I have to get back to work.

There are some awesome mods and vets here.

We all can collectively help you.

All "WE" ask is for you to let us do just that.

Keep an open mind , and listen to what we are saying to you.

I do not believe that AAS is what you need to obtain your particular goals.

Best

T

**Mooseman33** · 10-06-2009, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Lstar

Listen im looking for help people with experience and opinions and advice if you gonna come here to talk smack or not help dont bother writing MR. HERE WE GO AGAIn im obviously writing here to ask for help im not an expert dum ass

a dumb ass takes chems without knowing what they do or what they could do.
a dumb ass learns as he goes with AAS.
a dumb ass doesnt listen to advice, he hears only what he wants.

u my friend are a dumb ass.

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 11:18 AM

look i do monday- chest and tricep.... i start with 135 den move up to 185 3rd rep 205 nd last 225 thats ..... den incline i do 135 and maybe move up 5olbs if my shoulders arent hurting den i go do cables and dumbells same with tricep cables dumbells.... i running also with the sauna suit... when on test n deca /anavar i did 315

Tue- back/biceps......... biceps been my strongest muscle i do curls/dumbells/machines/bars/ and back machines and dumbells

Weds- I do easy on the legs cause im still recovering from a femur surgery 10 months ago.....

thur- shoulders/traps- machines/dumbells.... different weights depending on my shoulders

And fri I DO THE SMA EAS MONSAY any suggestions? And i run everyday with the sauna after workots but i just started doing this 2 weeks ago.

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 11:19 AM

MOOSE tats just what you are a MOOSE

**BiggKris** · 10-06-2009, 11:20 AM

ok, i just posted the same similar question concerning Tren . I just picked up some Tren NV 100 from NutriVet. I was to take 3cc's a week, stack it with Test or Deca . I have Deca. I know that probally isnt the best base. I also have Dbol and Anadrol . The Anadrol sent my strength through the roof, but the side effects(sick feeling) out-weighed the results. So my question is: Tren, Dbol and Deca....Shitty or not?

37
6'5"
306
18% bf, but have really increased cardio, but still need to learn HOW to eat at my height and weight.

curse at me, call me names, i dont care.
Just ADVISE me please

**Lstar** · 10-06-2009, 11:22 AM

THNX higherdesire and titanium .... listen if you guys would spare your diets with me it would be great

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Lstar

and you are a fukin moose piece of shit! .......

Be carefully bro, he is just busting on ya.

It happens alot around here.

Don't take this stuff personally.

Best

T

(they will ban you if you get belligerent)

**TITANIUM** · 10-06-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by BiggKris

ok, i just posted the same similar question concerning Tren . I just picked up some Tren NV 100 from NutriVet. I was to take 3cc's a week, stack it with Test or Deca . I have Deca. I know that probally isnt the best base. I also have Dbol and Anadrol . The Anadrol sent my strength through the roof, but the side effects(sick feeling) out-weighed the results. So my question is: Tren, Dbol and Deca....Shitty or not?

37
6'5"
306
18% bf, but have really increased cardio, but still need to learn HOW to eat at my height and weight.

curse at me, call me names, i dont care.
Just ADVISE me please

This should stay a seperate post.

Cuts down on confusion.

Yes , shitty cycle.

Run Tren with a test base.

No running 2 nor 19's at the same time.

And no lab names.

Best

T

**Big** · 10-06-2009, 11:27 AM

When was your last cycle? And to the guy hijacking the thread, no that's simply awful, please start your own thread.

**BiggKris** · 10-06-2009, 11:33 AM

my bad, didnt mean to highjack anything....did start my own thread, but all the action was over hear. you're right NO LAB NAMES...excuse my dumb-assness...