Has anyone ever done this 19-nor switch??

**The Deuce** · 10-26-2009, 07:06 PM

Just a quick question...

Say you are on Tren A for a selected interval.. that time comes to an end.. and NOW... You are switching over to Deca ...

For Instance... Tren A for 6 weeks.. then switch to Deca for 14 weeks..

I am pretty side effect free.. Especially when it comes to prolactin sides.. so.. I am NOT worried about that...

But What I was pondering is, ok.. So I have been On Test Cyp at 500mgs and Tren A 50mgs ED... I DON'T WANNA HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT.. Why aren't you on Prop if You are shooting everyday.. why because I don't want to. I like my Cypionate so leave it at that please...

So when the Tren duration ceases I am contemplating dropping the Test to TRT level.. 200mgs EW and adding in DECA for the remainding time at a Moderate dose, nothing extravagant... Mainly for a little added Joint Lubrication and stuff.. PLUS I will be on HGH concurrently also..

So basically it would mean dropping the Tren for Deca Maintaining approximately the same amount of dosing... 400mgs of DECA and 200mgs of Test, 4iu's of GH and 50mgs of Proviron and obviously 500mcgs of Caber.. just in case EVERY 4 DAYS.. not 3.. I prefer 4... I have my ways.. and I am stuck in them.. lol... and finally 250iu's twice per week of HCG just to keep the testes fully functional.. once again.. another quirk of mine that I do... I am not looking for someone to tweak or critique .. I know what I am doing all things considered...

I am just curious if ANYONE has ever done this...

I know plenty of people who have gone from DECA to TREN.. more as of a Bulking at the beginning to Cutting at the End.. but that is NOT necessarily what I am acheiving here.. I am not cutting, haven't even considered it.. My DIET is what determines what goes on.. NOT THE COMPOUND.. So my DIET TELLS ME I AM BULKING.. The whole time.. I just wanted to run the TREN AT THE BEGINNING instead.. the reason for the TEST drop is because I have always wanted to run just a baseline 200mgs of TEST to keep LIL MAN working and kind of letting the DECA do it's dirty work.. you know.. kinda see what it's got and let the DECA do the talking and have the TEST do Keeping MR. HAPPY in the FULLY UPRIGHT POSITION.

Like I said, Not guaranteed I am going to run it like this.. just tossing it about in my head as an option.. and a viable one at that because as of right NOW I could use a little bit of Joint Lubrication.. Just a little stiff and such...

Thanks for your time guys. Let me know what you think or if ANYONE has ever done this approach before and HOW did it turn out for you.

-The Deuce

**Vitruvian-Man** · 10-26-2009, 07:35 PM

I'm on NPP right now.. I'm going to be switching to Tren A for the last 5 weeks of my cycle.

As long as you can handle the changes of increased prolactin sides then you should be GTG.

It's a little hard on your lipid profile... but if I remember correctly you're a relative young guy, so it shouldn't be too harsh on the body.

(p.s. I didn't read any of your post except the first couple of phrases... give me the cole's-notes edition if you have other questions hidden in your post, loll).

**The Deuce** · 10-26-2009, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

I'm on NPP right now.. I'm going to be switching to Tren A for the last 5 weeks of my cycle.

As long as you can handle the changes of increased prolactin sides then you should be GTG.

It's a little hard on your lipid profile... but if I remember correctly you're a relative young guy, so it shouldn't be too harsh on the body.

(p.s. I didn't read any of your post except the first couple of phrases... give me the cole's-notes edition if you have other questions hidden in your post, loll).

LOL.. Yah I have a tendency to ramble bro, it's all set.. yah I am on the YOUNGER Side.. meaning 27... a lot of life still ahead of me.. And a WHOLE CAREER of Bodybuilding, providing I can make it in the sport... I got the heart, determination, the support, the GUTS, the means, and the way. SO I should be all set.

Yah Prolactin has NEVER Bothered me.. Never not once.. I don't know if it is because everytime I ran a 19-nor I kept it at bay with Caber or if my body just says "OH PROLACTIN, Yah Whatever.. we got that shit, don't worry" Whatever the case.. according to my BLOODWORK that was done, ohhhh something in the neighborhood of 3 weeks ago.. everything checks out A OK. And as far as that goes, I thought about having it run again mid way through the DECA regimen, and I thought HEY why don't i just leave it alone for the time being and get it done again upon cessation of the cycle..

But thanks for your input bro.. Much appreciated as always !!

**Immortal Soldier** · 10-26-2009, 08:57 PM

Duece I can never answer your damn threads because you write so god damn much my ADD kicks in, one minute I am reading then I am just

**The Deuce** · 10-26-2009, 11:00 PM

LMAO.. Yah I know what YA mean.. I just can't help it.. I GET TO TYPING AND BANG... 1000 Word friggen essay.. I feel like I am in English Lit. again...

Here let me make it easy.

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE RUN TREN AT SUCH AND SUCH A DOSAGE THEN SWITCHED MID-CYCLE TO NANDROLONE DECAONATE ?!?

There is that simpler??

Haha...

Anyone with experience?? ANY advice to give or something I should Know about the transition? I have smoothly gone from DECA to TREN.. but NEVER THE REVERSE.. So I am gonna do it.. just wanna know if anyone else ever has.

See simpler right?? lol

**stpete** · 10-26-2009, 11:12 PM

Why would i ever think about swtching from tren to deca /npp? Doesn't make any sense to me. Talk all you want, but you're switching the best for....well, let's say something not quite as good.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 10-27-2009, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

Why would i ever think about swtching from tren to deca/npp? Doesn't make any sense to me. Talk all you want, but you're switching the best for....well, let's say something not quite as good.

Because I don't like staying on tren for more then 4-5 weeks.

And more importantly, IMO NPP/prop/primo easily rivals the tren/test combo.

**wrathchild212** · 10-27-2009, 05:22 AM

i have done it before..my previous cycle was Tren A 1-8 test prop 1-12 and winstrol 7-12..i reached to week 8 i discovered they winny i had was complete fake so i gave it back to the dealer and instead of giving me my money back..he gave me a shit load of deca :P

so i was like screw it i have so much of em..im gonna run em for 6 weeks..and i did..i didnt find any problem..i was running 500mgs..i got good results..it worked quickly..my body was wher i wanted it to be..as u said diet determines ur condition

ran PCT and all eevrything was fine..then yeah i got swine flu and lost a good amount of weight :P

**The Deuce** · 10-27-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

Why would i ever think about swtching from tren to deca/npp? Doesn't make any sense to me. Talk all you want, but you're switching the best for....well, let's say something not quite as good.

OBVIOUSLY TREN IS THE BEST.. But.... YOU personally ever ran 20 solid weeks of TRENBOLONE ACETATE ?!? Yah.. Probably not the smartest move ONE could make.. so I am going from the world best to the worlds most used...

And Like I said.. results come regardless what compound you use... IT IS ALL IN THE DIET.... IT has absolutely everything to do with it

If it was SENSIBLE to rock TREN A for 140days straight then maybe I'd do it. But I'd be almost willing to bet my life on it that NO ONE hear with any brains has done that. Talk about havoc wreaking on your body..geesh...

Not to mention.. YOUR BODY ADJUSTS BETTER AND MAKES BETTER GAINS WHEN YOU SWITCH UP THE COMPOUNDS MID-CYCLE.

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

Because I don't like staying on tren for more then 4-5 weeks.

And more importantly, IMO NPP/prop/primo easily rivals the tren/test combo.

That's a good Point, I like the 6-8 week mark myself.. seems to be buttah right about there..

And I 100% Agree with that cycle.. A properly dosed and run NPP/PRIMO/TESTP cycle would SLAM a straight TEST/TREN Cycle. Where is Tren is a very potent AAS , so isn't NPP and so isn't PRIMO... I believe people DO NOT Give enough credit to PRIMOBOLAN .. Schering Primo is probably my favorite thing in the WHOLE world... and NPP.. if you examine that it's a short estered 19-nor.. just like TREN just NOT as Strong but you couple that with Primo.. YOU ARE RIGHT A Cycle YOU COULD RUN FOR 20 WEEKS ... A NPP/PRIMO/TEST cycle.. and IMO .. get SO MUCH more out of it then the TEST/TREN Cycle.. BUT I AM SURE All the TRENKIES Will dispute that ... (Trekkie = Trenkie...get it !! Hahaha)

**millionairemurph** · 10-27-2009, 11:58 AM

never ran primo. Npp has its advantages- like the fact that i can sleep while on it, the fact that i can do cardio, that i dont sweat 24/7, and on and on. Tren also is good, but each has is place.

i'm not a fan of deca in this situation bc of how long it will stay in your system and how long it will be suppressive...... but if you are cruising....

btw 150 mg a week test ( i dont cruise, ive cycled at that) for me, a 230, 8-10%bf guy, i think is great. I have more energy and more libido tha 250 or 300 or even 600 for that matter over the course of the whole cycle.

**marcus300** · 10-27-2009, 12:08 PM

What are you trying to achieve swapping tren for deca ?

**The Deuce** · 10-27-2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

What are you trying to achieve swapping tren for deca?

Not really trying to achieve anything.. I just KNOW I can't run TREN for a 20 week span.. nor would I ever want to. I also am looking for the added benefits of the commonly noted JOINT LUBE that comes from NANDROLONE . Now as far as the TREN to DECA switch I am debating if I wanna go with the DECA or the NPP.. it'll probably be the DECA only because I am saving NPP for my PRE-COMP Cycle of Test/Mast/NPP/Tren... yes DOUBLE 19-nor.. don't worry I SUFFER FROM NO PROLACTIN issues... I just figure If I am going to INJECT ED 12 weeks prior to the comp why not stick with all short ESTERS. Even though That's not what we are discussing here.. The Test will be Prop at 50mgs ED/Mast 100mgs ED/Npp 75mgs ED/Tren 50mgs ED. That PLUS my HGH regimen I should be doing pretty good..

RIGHT NOW IT'S OFF SEASON BULKER.. Yes I am BULKING on TREN I have said it a MILLION TIMES.. and you know it just as well Marcus. The compounds DO NOT determine much of anything. The DIET determines everything. My diet has allowed me to be gaining weight while dropping bodyfat.. I LOVE TREN. I'd stay on it for a lengthy amount of time if it were safe to... IF IT WERE OK.. I'd run the TREN ACE for 16 weeks.. but I have never HEARD of ANYONE doing that for that long of a duration. NOR do I think at that point it would even still produce results.. hence the switch. If I make the Switch to DECA, My Body will be like

"OK new SOMETHING in my BODY.. it's NOT Trenbolone .. so OK... This is NEAT.. Alright I'll go with it and BUILD SOME MORE MUSCLE TISSUE.. Sounds like a Good idea... "

More or less what the whole point was when I started out on this cycle was to ADD MUSCLE of course..It was an EXPERIMENT.. To do the TREN FIRST.. So yah back where I was.. adding MUSCLE.. and THE TREN did just that, while LEANING me out.. That is why I love it so goddamn much. It's the ULTIMATE. You know I respect your opinion. SO.. Let's hear it.

If it were up to you. And You wanted to ADD MUSCLE in your OFF-SEASON.. like it's MY OFF-SEASON.. I am what hmmm.. 4 weeks into my Tren Component of my Cycle.. AND yah I have enough to run 50 weeks at 50mgs ED if I wanted to.. BUT What I do not want to happen .. I do not want my gains to HALT. Which i Fear WILL happen if I continue past the 10-12 week mark on Tren. The way I have it planned out. Is a 20 week bulker. 12 weeks off and ON TRT and HGH then a 12 Cutter in PREP for Competition. So I was going to go 8 weeks on the Tren, but in week 6 I was going to start the DECA but Frontloading it.. at 800mgs EW for 2 weeks.. then returning to 400mgs per week.. OK here let me lay out my original plan...

Wks 1-8 Tren Ace 50mgs ED
Started 500mgs of Test 4 weeks Prior to the Tren.. so in essence on week 8 it would have been.. 1-12 Test Cyp 500mgs EW (Make sense)
Wk 6-8 Nandrolone Decaonate 800mgs EW
Wk 8-20 Deca 400mgs EW
Wk technically 12-20 200mgs EW
Wks 1-20 Caber 500mcgs E4D
Wks 1-20 Proviron 50mgs ED

I know it seems weird looking at it but it's a pretty BASIC cycle.. especially for my TENTH one.. at No Point do I cross the 1gram of Gear mark.. well if you count the proviron I do.. but still.. It's basic in it's entirety...

I just wanted the BULKER to really kick in at the end of it with the DECA, I bulk better on DECA.. and I started the TREN first KNOWING it would Bulk me but drop some excess Bodyfat at the same time.. which I am pretty sure WILL NOT COME BACK when I transfer to the DECA. If its one thing i KNOW its MY BODY and what i respond to and what i need for nutrition.. to grow or to drop fat..

**Dukkit** · 10-27-2009, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

I'm on NPP right now.. I'm going to be switching to Tren A for the last 5 weeks of my cycle.

As long as you can handle the changes of increased prolactin sides then you should be GTG.
It's a little hard on your lipid profile... but if I remember correctly you're a relative young guy, so it shouldn't be too harsh on the body.

(p.s. I didn't read any of your post except the first couple of phrases... give me the cole's-notes edition if you have other questions hidden in your post, loll).

shouldnt be an increase of prolactin sides by going to deca .

it should actuallly lessen his chances.

tren has the ability to cause more prolactin/progestrone sides then deca

so hes fine

especially since he states hes on caber. which will have his prolactin under control.

**marcus300** · 10-27-2009, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

Not really trying to achieve anything.. I just KNOW I can't run TREN for a 20 week span.. nor would I ever want to. I also am looking for the added benefits of the commonly noted JOINT LUBE that comes from NANDROLONE . Now as far as the TREN to DECA switch I am debating if I wanna go with the DECA or the NPP.. it'll probably be the DECA only because I am saving NPP for my PRE-COMP Cycle of Test/Mast/NPP/Tren... yes DOUBLE 19-nor.. don't worry I SUFFER FROM NO PROLACTIN issues... I just figure If I am going to INJECT ED 12 weeks prior to the comp why not stick with all short ESTERS. Even though That's not what we are discussing here.. The Test will be Prop at 50mgs ED/Mast 100mgs ED/Npp 75mgs ED/Tren 50mgs ED. That PLUS my HGH regimen I should be doing pretty good..

RIGHT NOW IT'S OFF SEASON BULKER.. Yes I am BULKING on TREN I have said it a MILLION TIMES.. and you know it just as well Marcus. The compounds DO NOT determine much of anything. The DIET determines everything. My diet has allowed me to be gaining weight while dropping bodyfat.. I LOVE TREN. I'd stay on it for a lengthy amount of time if it were safe to... IF IT WERE OK.. I'd run the TREN ACE for 16 weeks.. but I have never HEARD of ANYONE doing that for that long of a duration. NOR do I think at that point it would even still produce results.. hence the switch. If I make the Switch to DECA, My Body will be like

"OK new SOMETHING in my BODY.. it's NOT Trenbolone .. so OK... This is NEAT.. Alright I'll go with it and BUILD SOME MORE MUSCLE TISSUE.. Sounds like a Good idea... "

More or less what the whole point was when I started out on this cycle was to ADD MUSCLE of course..It was an EXPERIMENT.. To do the TREN FIRST.. So yah back where I was.. adding MUSCLE.. and THE TREN did just that, while LEANING me out.. That is why I love it so goddamn much. It's the ULTIMATE. You know I respect your opinion. SO.. Let's hear it.

If it were up to you. And You wanted to ADD MUSCLE in your OFF-SEASON.. like it's MY OFF-SEASON.. I am what hmmm.. 4 weeks into my Tren Component of my Cycle.. AND yah I have enough to run 50 weeks at 50mgs ED if I wanted to.. BUT What I do not want to happen .. I do not want my gains to HALT. Which i Fear WILL happen if I continue past the 10-12 week mark on Tren. The way I have it planned out. Is a 20 week bulker. 12 weeks off and ON TRT and HGH then a 12 Cutter in PREP for Competition. So I was going to go 8 weeks on the Tren, but in week 6 I was going to start the DECA but Frontloading it.. at 800mgs EW for 2 weeks.. then returning to 400mgs per week.. OK here let me lay out my original plan...

Wks 1-8 Tren Ace 50mgs ED
Started 500mgs of Test 4 weeks Prior to the Tren.. so in essence on week 8 it would have been.. 1-12 Test Cyp 500mgs EW (Make sense)
Wk 6-8 Nandrolone Decaonate 800mgs EW
Wk 8-20 Deca 400mgs EW
Wk technically 12-20 200mgs EW
Wks 1-20 Caber 500mcgs E4D
Wks 1-20 Proviron 50mgs ED

I know it seems weird looking at it but it's a pretty BASIC cycle.. especially for my TENTH one.. at No Point do I cross the 1gram of Gear mark.. well if you count the proviron I do.. but still.. It's basic in it's entirety...

I just wanted the BULKER to really kick in at the end of it with the DECA, I bulk better on DECA.. and I started the TREN first KNOWING it would Bulk me but drop some excess Bodyfat at the same time.. which I am pretty sure WILL NOT COME BACK when I transfer to the DECA. If its one thing i KNOW its MY BODY and what i respond to and what i need for nutrition.. to grow or to drop fat..

If your not trying to achieve anything from swapping the compounds except a bit of joint lube then I would reconsider things. From a personal stand point I think your seriously overkilling your cycle and running it far to long, longer cycles doesn't mean more or better gains!. I really think you should think twice here, if you 100% on running something so long I would approach it differently, instead of hard hitting those 20wks with those dosages and harsh compounds I would do your test and tren cycle for 8 wks come off to a hrt dose (Test) for 4 weeks then hit your test and deca for 8 wks, i think resting your body at the hrt dose will benefit you far more than aggressively hitting back to back two cycles.

By the way, you can write can't you!! and your fetish with cap lock is a one off

**stpete** · 10-27-2009, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

If your not trying to achieve anything from swapping the compounds except a bit of joint lube then I would reconsider things. From a personal stand point I think your seriously overkilling your cycle and running it far to long, longer cycles doesn't mean more or better gains!. I really think you should think twice here, if you 100% on running something so long I would approach it differently, instead of hard hitting those 20wks with those dosages and harsh compounds I would do your test and tren cycle for 8 wks come off to a hrt dose (Test) for 4 weeks then hit your test and deca for 8 wks, i think resting your body at the hrt dose will benefit you far more than aggressively hitting back to back two cycles.

By the way, you can write can't you!! and your fetish with cap lock is a one off

hahahahaha.....Exactly!!!!!

And OP, i've ran tren for 18 weeks before. One more thing....Was that you in that vid a little while back? you know the one. The one where the local news interviewed you over something? If i'm right, you ain't going to go to no show anytime soon.

**stpete** · 10-27-2009, 09:15 PM

Bump......I need to know.

**The Deuce** · 10-28-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

If your not trying to achieve anything from swapping the compounds except a bit of joint lube then I would reconsider things. From a personal stand point I think your seriously overkilling your cycle and running it far to long, longer cycles doesn't mean more or better gains!. I really think you should think twice here, if you 100% on running something so long I would approach it differently, instead of hard hitting those 20wks with those dosages and harsh compounds I would do your test and tren cycle for 8 wks come off to a hrt dose (Test) for 4 weeks then hit your test and deca for 8 wks, i think resting your body at the hrt dose will benefit you far more than aggressively hitting back to back two cycles.

By the way, you can write can't you!! and your fetish with cap lock is a one off

Yes I know I have an issue with the caps lock button.. Im working on it, I swear. Deca... for 8 weeks?? Is that even enough time for it to get into my system and work it's magic.. I must admit. DECA has never been anything I have ever run extensively. once actually.. but I have run NPP twice. But if you think my body will like the idea of doing it that, I will certainly reconsider it. You know I appreciate you opinion...

Originally Posted by stpete

hahahahaha.....Exactly!!!!!

And OP, i've ran tren for 18 weeks before. One more thing....Was that you in that vid a little while back? you know the one. The one where the local news interviewed you over something? If i'm right, you ain't going to go to no show anytime soon.

Ok first off. I had CLOTHES ON in that video, I am not looking to enter a show and be JAY CUTLER'S SIZE.. That is WHY there is different weight classes, don't tell me I am not ready for a show anytime soon, that my friend is an ignorant statement, and if that's YOU in your AVI, I am Bigger than you are. so please DO NOT JUDGE ME. You don't know what I look like right now, I am 220lbs. 11% BF. And the comp I am gear up for is approx 30 weeks away. I am not looking to get my goddamn PRO-CARD for my first show. That statement actually pissed me off quite a bit. I have put a lot of hard work into my transformation. WHY DON'T YOU GO TAKE A LOOK AT MY PICS IN THE MEMBER SECTION. That video was me, 215lbs. at 18%BF give or take. My body has done a lot of changing in the past 4 months since that news footage was shot. I will have new PICS up on OCTOBER 31st for a basis of when I start my GH regimen, so people can see the progress of my body from just 6 months on it. I am telling you right now you are being way over-judgmental. I expected more from someone like you than a statement like that. It takes 12-16 weeks to officially cut down for a comp. I am HOPING to be 185-190lbs at my first comp.. NOT 270 FOR CHRISSAKES !!! I know I have a long way to go. BUT IF YOU EVER SAW MY BEFORE PICS.. to current pics you might be a little bit less on the attack side.. HERE IN FACT.. I'LL INCLUDE THEM...

FEBRUARY 2009-

NOW... Pictures of ME.. ONLY 6.5 months later... right around the time of the NEWS FOOTAGE

ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME I MADE NO PROGRESS.. THAT I AM NOT ON MY WAY TO BEING A BODYBUILDER.. GO FOR IT.. I LOVE CRITICISM... Psssh

Originally Posted by stpete

Bump......I need to know.

still think i don't have what it takes!?!? I have enough time to get my body ready for a competition.... plenty of it... like i said I AM NOT LOOKING TO GET SPONSORED AND BE COMPETING AGAINST BRANCH/JAY/DEX IN 27 WEEKS.. I am just looking to START competing.. GOD.....

**The Deuce** · 10-28-2009, 12:29 PM

These TWO I snapped approx... 2 weeks after those other pics.. right before i started this cycle...

NOW.. I am a month into a TREN cycle.. and my body is way different than these pictures.. A LOT LEANER... Do NOT JUDGE A BOOK until you see what's inside man... I respected you until you made that comment to me.. that was WAY UNFAIR... I put a lot of fvcking hard work into my body.. a lot of hours at the gym.. spent countless hours here diagnosing my diets, appropriate cycles... to couple with my TRT regimen... MY BLOODWORK IS FINE.. NOTHING WRONG WITH IT AT ALL.. If you wanna gaze at that before you judge it's in the appropriate section on the board...

Thanks for nothing and making me feel like shit STPETE.. FCKING APPRECIATE IT DUDE !! YOU ARE ONE KICK ASS MO-FO... Glad you are on my side.. I thought we were all like brothers here... GUESS YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE.. DON'T WORRY I WONT BOTHER YOU GUYS AGAIN.

I'll make sure I put up the pics from my competitions though.. TO SHOW YOU I FVCKING MADE IT !!

I AINT GOING TO LET YOU BLOW MY DREAMS OUT OF THE WATER.. SEE YA ON THE WAY TO THE TOP.

**marcus300** · 10-28-2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

Yes I know I have an issue with the caps lock button.. Im working on it, I swear. Deca ... for 8 weeks?? Is that even enough time for it to get into my system and work it's magic.. I must admit. DECA has never been anything I have ever run extensively. once actually.. but I have run NPP twice. But if you think my body will like the idea of doing it that, I will certainly reconsider it. You know I appreciate you opinion...
....

If your not trying to achieve anything from swapping the compounds except a bit of joint lube then I would reconsider things. From a personal stand point I think your seriously overkilling your cycle and running it far to long, longer cycles doesn't mean more or better gains!. I really think you should think twice here, if you 100% on running something so long I would approach it differently, instead of hard hitting those 20wks with those dosages and harsh compounds I would do your test and tren cycle for 8 wks come off to a hrt dose (Test) for 4 weeks then hit your test and deca for 8 wks, i think resting your body at the hrt dose will benefit you far more than aggressively hitting back to back two cycles.

**Kratos** · 10-28-2009, 01:44 PM

20 weeks is stupid long, no advantage to switching from tren to deca , it's just strange behavior.

**Mooseman33** · 10-28-2009, 01:54 PM

its Deuce behavior

**The Deuce** · 10-28-2009, 03:12 PM

It is Deuce Behavior that's right, I go on the fact of BLOODWORK if it says I am fine.. I am fine, I don't care if the cycle is 52 weeks long. The underlying fact remains.. Bloodwork determines EVERYTHING. Are you trying to tell me PRO'S don't do ridiculously long cycles at ridiculously large amounts ?!?! I am NO PRO obviously.. but I am not Proposing A RIDICULOUSLY LONG NOR A CYCLE THAT IS EXTREMELY OVER THE EDGE EITHER.. I don't get what this whole bashing this is all about.. I AM NOT A NEWBIE. Just because of what I look like now doesn't correlate what my body is used to, and what I used to be at before my accident. Yah that probably plays a lot into it. But I am sick and tired of people thinking that AAS are the devil spawn. I don't CARE ABOUT BEING SHUT DOWN.. OR HAVING TO RECOVER. I am permanently on TESTOSTERONE For the rest of my natural Life. That's the way it is. AND IF MY BLOODWORK REFLECTS SAFETY .. Then WHY is it that people don't understand that.. Looking out for my safety?? I am quite capable of doing that. I wasnt looking for cycle advice. I know how to keep myself safe and alive. I know what I can and can't do. It's not like I am proposing a 20 week cycle of 5 different compounds at 1g a piece.. I was proposing a switch from TREN at week 8 to Deca .. and if anyone had EVER done that before. If you guys don't like the idea. FINE. That's cool. But calling it ridiculous is.. well ridiculous.. HOW MANY OF YOU EXPERIMENT WITH CYCLES??

Seriously.. This is not something out of this world I don't understand why everyone is so hell bent on thinking it is. I am already pissed off enough at STPETE's comment. This is why I don't ask my questions here anymore because I am regarded as a NEWBIE. Which I am not. By any stretch of the word. I can understand proper concern if I were to say..

"YAH I AM GOING TO RUN A 20 WEEK CYCLE.. 2000MGS of Test for 4 weeks.. then dropping it 500mgs EW for 3 weeks.. then Jack it back up for the next 13 at 2500mgs EW... AND For weeks 1-8 I will run TREN at 200mgs ED for the first 4 weeks.. then 100mgs ED for the next 4.. then I will switch to DECA and do 1600mgs for 8 weeks.. then run 400mgs EW for the remainder.. Oh.. and Iam not going to run a PCT because I don't need to.. I think I can recover from that on my own."

Yah If I made a thread like that I would say YAH THERE WOULD BE CAUSE FOR CONCERN...But no..

I said.. 8 weeks at 50mgs ED of Tren with 500mgs of Cypionate and then 12 weeks of Deca at 400mgs EW and dropping the Test to TRT level of 200mgs EW... where in that cycle is it RIDICULOUS ?!?! Or Strange behavior because I wanted to try something different.. something reverse for a BULKING CYCLE.. to see how it played out??

It's pretty goddamn plain to see that I am treated like a NEWB around here for some reason.. whatever the reason. I have never instigated anything. Nor have I ever started a war with anyone. I have never broken any rules. I have never given falty advice.. I give my opinions... but never anything dangerous...

I personally thought the cycle was quite moderate. Considering I AM NEVER COMING OFF OF AAS. Considering I will be injecting a minimum of 200mgs of TEST permanently for the rest of my life... I am an aspiring bodybuilder. And we all know that to acheive the MUSCLE VOLUME TO BE SUCCESSFUL in this sport YOU NEED OVER THE TOP Cycles to break through certain plateaus.. I just didn't think this cycle would have been considered OVER THE TOP. Guess I was wrong. Just forget this topic. Obviously I am just going to keep getting bashed on it.

**Kratos** · 10-28-2009, 03:19 PM

I think you're experiencing roid rage .

**Kratos** · 10-28-2009, 03:21 PM

oh deuce oh deuce, you're a genious, you came up with an amazing plan, let me congratulate you on your amazing success as a planner of steroid cycles.

If you can't take it, don't let the door hit you in the vagina on the way out.
Most people have done cycles that long and results do tend to taper off. For me there is no point going past week 10. You may be different, but I don't have to think it's a great idea.

**The Deuce** · 10-28-2009, 05:27 PM

I never ASKED you to think it's a GREAT idea did I !! All I asked is if ANYONE had ever done a TREN to DECA switch.. Thats it. Let the Vagina hit me on the way out.

With 32,000 posts and all that time on your hands in the past 2 years you think you would have developed a sense of a compassion to people in this field.. BUT I GUESS THE FVCK NOT HUH ?!? I could care less if you like me..

I did not need an ignorant statement like that from you. That was UNCALLED FOR !! I did nothing to you. DID I !!!

Oh and 10 weeks?? Never heard of that length on a LONG ESTER CYCLE.. Most Long ester cycles are run 12-14 weeks.. but I am sure You have never heard of that in your travels at 32,000 posts huh??

I don't know what your problem is. Not at all. Come at me all combative.. being all rude and such. Seriously.. what is YOUR problem. KRATOS !?!

**Dukkit** · 10-28-2009, 08:14 PM

whew.... feel the tension in here. yes sir.

**ezlimitz** · 10-28-2009, 09:07 PM

I just walked in the door and there is a skinny guy flexing in the corner taking all comers... Just bustin your chops duece...good job loosing the gut...and getting a few bumps on the arms.

Next!

***D7M*** · 10-29-2009, 06:07 AM

Deuce, I agree with the others.

I wouldn't run a cycle like that, simply because I know it wouldn't work well for me.

But I do agree with you that the sarcasm in this thread was completely uncalled for.

**The Deuce** · 10-29-2009, 09:11 AM

Well because of Marcus's advice I have decided against doing the switch, I am going to run a total of 60 days of TREN at 50mgs ED... Revert back to TRT level TEST run just that and my HGH regimen and see what I can achieve on the bulking end with that aspect of things.. probably the way I see it.. Not cycle again until it comes time to cut down for COMP.. so be on a TRT Level of Test for 12-13 weeks.. maybe 14 weeks.. let my body go through a major recoup process so when I hit it hard on the cutting diet my receptors are fresh.

That to me makes more sense than to keep going and going ... So, I am not doing it because of safety I am doing it to maximize results before the competitons... I will start my Cutting diet 16 weeks out... but since I have a Comp on May 2nd and on May 29th I will start the cycle 12 weeks out from the first comp.. Just nothing extravagant.. mostly a cycle that will preserve muscle mass during a caloric restricted diet.. TEST P/NPP/MAST/TREN at 50/75/75/50 respectively... Along with Var for the last 6 weeks.. 2 weeks prior to the first comp and run straight through until the 2nd Comp.

I think with the 14 week down time of just a TRT dose of test and HGH I will maintain and be able to bulk at the same time.. why because it's not going to be the compounds i am not pumping into my body but the Massive amounts of food.. is what is going to cause me to maintain a bulking atmosphere... I DO NOT RELY ON AAS TO DO ALL THE WORK.

I am not a NEWBIE and I didn't appreciate... being treated like one.. The level of disrespect towards me was unreal. Frankly I am astonished.. but it's over and done with now.. it is what it is.

**TITANIUM** · 10-29-2009, 09:45 AM

I get it , bro.

No worries.

Best

T

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