Just curious as to why...

**The Deuce** · 11-01-2009, 12:39 AM

The MOST up to date info on these two compounds is from the year...

2006...

1-test-cyp and stenbolone acetate...

I have been doing some research on both of these lately and they seem to me like superior compounds in comparison to the NORMAL everyday run of the mill plain ole deca /test/tren /primo/eq...

Why the lack of info?? No one really liked it?? Hard to believe on what I have dug up in the past week on these two compounds... any old time vets remember these compounds?? Experiences?? Pros/Cons??

Just a curious thread.. just doing some wondering.. figured I would break up the monotony...

Feel free to answer if you know anything or if you want to...

**The Deuce** · 11-01-2009, 03:17 PM

Hows ABOUT a BUMP in case NO ONE SAW THIS !!!

**Dancer** · 11-01-2009, 03:32 PM

The 1-test-cyp was more or less simular to test cyp. If I recall correctly it was a slightly different chemical formula.

The stenbolone acetate or just sten was a DHT driv simular to plain DHT. If I recall correctly.

Not a whole hella' of alotta research has been done on either. They can into play in 2001ish. Not all the potential sides are known. The exact reactions are also unknown. In short the Nazis used test no-ester in 1930s and many other chems like Dianabol came into play in the 1940-1950.

The two chemicals in the OP have been around but nothing like 80 years.

As for if they are just gravy, there is not a whole lotta' research out there. A buncha' research companies were trying to sell them back in 2001 as if they were the next best thing, but it didnt workout for most.

**Immortal Soldier** · 11-01-2009, 04:33 PM

Duece with the amount of compounds you have on your wishlist you should either be 285lbs or dead.

**Merc.** · 11-02-2009, 09:56 AM

I used 1 - test cyp when it was legal ( I liked it alot ) .. It used to be sold in lots of supplement stores ...

I used the VPX brand ( before it was banned ) http://www.powerhouse-supplements.net/cypionate.html..

Here a excerpt from Author . L Rea's article - prohormones, prosteroids and designer steroids ... ..

Most readers are aware of the fact that regular testosterone has some negative side effects such as making many look like a water balloon going bald. In short, testosterone metabolizes to estrogen and DHT. But, of course there are better options that allow a bit of mitigation to the DHT problem without sacrificing the advantages it has upon physique sculpting.

DHT metabolizes into a variety of different hormones such as 5-alpha androst-1-en-3,17-diol (better known as the supplement found by Patrick Arnold called 1-AD). In our body's 1-AD must convert into 1-Testosterone in order to be active. Hmmm, since 1-Testosterone is a natural metabolite of DHT then it makes more sense to skip the 1-AD conversion and directly supplement with 1-Testosterone.
1-testosterone is a surprisingly effective prosteroid (you can call it a designer steroid if you like, but it has been around awhile). It is chemically known as 17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one which is a derivative of dehydrotestosterone (DHT) only with fewer DHT related side-effects.

*1-Test is 5-7 times more active (anabolic ) than testosterone itself. (More lean tissue gains with fewer potential negative side effects)
*1-Test does not aromatize to estrogens. In fact some studies suggest a slight anti-estrogen effect due to aromatase inhibition. (No water retention, gynecomastia or fat gains)
*Similar to Trenbolone or high dose Primobolan Acetate in effect without the libido issues.
Injectable 1-Testosterone

Naturally, many hard-core athletes have employed 1-testosterone as a parental (injectable) preparation. Those that were able to acquire 1-Testosterone esters such as decanoate or cypionate realized the best anabolic results due to improved pharma-kinetics.
Most users of properly prepared sterile products (pyrogen free) report significant hardening of the musculature with increased lean mass tissue and fat loss at total weekly dosages of 200-300mg. There is also a surprising noted significant increase in functional strength. Many have compared 1-Testosterne Cypionate to Trenbolone in effects.
I have noted this to be so but this would suggest potential for the negative side-effects of trenbolone as well. I would suggest that the results from this type of application are closer to that of high dose Primobolan Acetate use with better over all hardening value. (Harder, leaner, stronger and hornier. Those poor lads)
*Though some companies have marketed quality "sterile" orals, it should be noted that it is not legal for anyone to administer these items as injectables.

But What Of Oral Administration?

When unprotected AAS or prosteroids are ingested orally the majority of the dosage is destroyed by the liver due to a factor called hepatic (liver) first pass deactivation. In short it means that the liver filters out your intended results and sends them to the toilet. Often this means as little as only a few milligrams (3-15%) of the original dosage makes it into the circulatory system where it can access muscle tissue.
Worse is the fact that, due to its unprotected state, the minor amount of active product that does make it into the circulatory system is destroyed and toilet-tossed during the second or third pass…within a couple hours of ingestion. This refers to the half- and active life of a chemical. Next to no absorption and very brief exposure to target tissues (uh, like muscle) means little or no results.
Hmmm, substrates that are water soluble (hydrophilic) go to the liver for assimilation or excretion and those that are oil soluble head straight to the lymphatic system thus avoiding first pass destruction.
Esters & Oily Solutions

Esterfied prosteroids (like 1-Testosterone Cypionate or Decanoate) are hydrophilic by nature (Esterized simply means that an ester chain has been added to the prosteroid structure). Lipophylic ester androgens are absorbed the same way most dietary fats (long chain fatty acids) are absorbed. After ingestion the body produces bile for emulsification and then our numerous lipase enzymes hydrolyze the compound to form what we call micelles (I did not name it so please do not blame me when trying to pronounce it).
The micelles enter the intestinal cells where they form a lipoprotein carrier called chylomicron, which is a combination of esterized prosteroid and special protein found in the small intestine. Once the compound forms the chylomicron, it is released into the lymphatic system where it is then released into the blood stream. (This means a higher percentage of active muscle building prosteroid in the blood stream.)
Remember: The lymphatic system skips the destructive first pass of the liver. An interesting note to point out is that the research with esterized steroids demonstrates oral administration with oils (MCT and sesame are oils). They mixed the active compounds with various oils, then administered the compounds orally. The inclusion of the oil facilitated improved lymphatic absorption (since this is the same way most dietary fats are absorbed, it should not be a surprise).
So the reality is that many of the "sterile" oral preparations (including 1-Test) that are esters are absorbed well orally. The fact remains however, that though effective, administration by injection allows for 100% bioavailability...but is illegal to suggest or do without medical consent and supervision.
Alkylation For Orals

The predominant of pharma oral AAS are 17-alpha alkylated. Alkylation allows the administered dosage to remain intact after the first pass through the liver thus providing much longer tissue exposure due to prolonged half-life. Without this alkylation there is considerable degradation of the active compound. It has often been said that alkylation causes undue stress upon the liver and is therefore toxic to liver tissue. In truth this is so, but on a dosage dependent level only.
Many years ago several studies were performed upon two alkylated oral AAS: Oxymetholone (AD-50) and methyltestosterone (methandrostenolone AKA D-bol should be included here due to dosage issues). The average dosages were between 100-250mg daily. After several months or use, patients showed significant elevation in liver enzymes (ALT, AST and GGT) thus suggesting a significant hepatic stress. Some currently available prosteroids (okay, Designer Steroids) have been alkylated to increase bioavailability to nearly 100% with a half-life of up to 12 hours. (Yup!)
Methyl-1-Testosterone & Other Alkylated Prosteroids

As example is methyl-1-Test. Yes, this is methylated 1-Testosterone (M-1-Test) and a highly effective oral androgen. However, it is a totally different prosteroid both in affect and activity than 1-Testosterone.
M-1-Test is far more anabolic and androgenic than 1-Testosterone. This also means that it is far more destructive to hair follicles and prostate tissue than DHT itself. When a hormone is alkylated (like adding a methyl group to the 17th ring) it totally changes the pharma-kinetics of the compound as well.
Have you noticed that most 1-Testosterone users report better sex-drive, more energy and a positive outlook upon life with their musculature gains? Yet those using M-1-Test report lethargy, no sex-drive and really bad moods to go along with high blood pressure and head-aches, oh and increased muscle mass. Personally, though effective, I dislike M-1-Test for health concerns.
This is all due to the methylated alteration that alters a chemical's effect upon androgen receptors and physiology in general. Most of this is due to secondary activity triggered by the compound such as adrenalgenic and neuro-net over-stimulation, hepatic alterations and general burn-out.
Though M-1-Test employed at a daily dosage of 10-20mg for 2-4 weeks seldom results in liver concerns (if it is a very high quality product free of other raw material metabolites and toxins), it certainly does have several negative side effects easily avoid by opting for 1-Testosterone Cypionate delivered through any viable means.

Merc.

**Merc.** · 11-02-2009, 10:01 AM

Heres some more info ..

Dihydroboldenone/1-Testosterone Profile

Pharmaceutical Name: Dihydroboldenone
Chemical Names: 17beta-hydroxyandrost-1-en-3-one, 5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one, 17beta-ol
Active Life: depends on the ester utilized
Anabolic /Androgenic Ratio: 200/100

Dihydroboldenone, most commonly known as 1-testosterone , is a 5alpha reduced form of the steroid boldenone . This lack of 5alpha reduction with the compound allows users to administer it without suffering the negative side effects associated with this chemical reaction but also eliminates the benefits as well. Boldenone is not the only steroid that shares similarities with dihydroboldenone. In fact dihydroboldenone is chemically identical to the drug methenolone except for the 1-methylation that is apart of methenolone (1). 1-methylation was of course added to methenolone to make it more available when taken orally and thus dihydroboldenone is not efficiently utilized when administered orally, although it was once sold over the counter in tablet and pill form. Some of these over the counter preparations of the drug were done utilizing a delivery system similar to Andriol , i.e. producing an oil-solubilized product with dihydroboldenone. This would still not be a relatively worthwhile system of delivery to use however if one wanted to maximize the potential of the compound. Intramuscular injection is by far the most efficient method of administration to use as with most anabolic steroids .

As mentioned above, dihydroboldenone is structurally similar to methenolone and boldenone and less so to testosterone despite the commonly used name for it, 1-testosterone. For this reason some female athletes may be inclined to use the drug as well. The potential for development of symptoms of virilization still remain but are not as severe as with synthetic testosterone or other harsher drugs. This is not to say however that dihydroboldenone is a mild drug. To simplify the explanation of exactly what the drug is, it is to boldenone as dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is to testosterone. This would explain why the effects of the drug, both positive and negative, are so dissimilar to those of boldenone. Like testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, a portion of the boldenone that a user administers converts to dihydroboldenone. Also similarly, dihydroboldenone like dihydrotestosterone does not convert to anything else past that compound.

Dihydroboldenone, while not overly androgenic, is a potent anabolic. It has been demonstrated that the drug binds extremely well and selectively to the androgen receptor and stimulates androgen receptor transactivation of dependent reporter genes (2, 3). This equates to a drug that possesses the ability to stimulate significant muscle growth while not producing androgenic side effects. It has been shown to be by far more anabolic then such compounds as boldenone, nandrolone , and even testosterone itself. Obviously this is of great benefit to many athletes.

Anecdotally some users have indicated that post-injection pain with dihydroboldenone can become an issue for some. Diluting the drug with either another injectable drug or some other type of sterile oil seems to alleviate at least some of this discomfort. The type of ester used does not appear to negate this pain for the users that experience it however.

Indeed dihydroboldenone is available in numerous different esters. Cypionate , Ethyl Carbonate, Propyl Carbonate, and Propionate , among others, are all available for use with the drug. As always each does not offer any real advantages over one another other then the obvious differing active lives that each presents and the amount of time that it takes for the body to completely eliminate the drug from it (4). For the most part users will want to have their choice dictated by the injection frequency with which they want to deal with when using the compound, but of course they will also likely be limited by those that are made available to them.

Use/Dosing

As for the duration with which dihydroboldenone can be run, due to the mild nature of the drug extended use of the compound can be completed with little in the way of serious complications arising. There are no major issues with hepatoxicity or severe kidney stress and the effect it has on other vital health markers such as blood pressure is slight in the majority of users.

As for specific dosages used with this drug, the low end is primarily thought to be three hundred to four hundred milligrams per week for male users. Like all drugs this number will vary from user to user and also depends on how much of a dramatic effect a user will want to achieve with the drug. As for the highest doses that would be worthwhile for users to attempt, this again depends on a number of variables. Doses of one gram per week are not uncommon for some users with others attempting doses in excess of this. It will always come back to how much one is willing to administer and at what point do the positives of increasing your doses begin to be outweighed by the negatives.

For females the usual rules apply with dihydroboldenone as they do with other drugs. These are namely starting out with short esters if possible so that if side effects begin to become too severe discontinuation of the drug can begin immediately and low doses should be administered at the beginning of the cycle and can be increased once the tolerance of the user is gauged. Anywhere from twenty five to one hundred milligrams per week would be a good starting point for the majority of female users who have little to moderate experience with anabolic drugs.

As stated earlier, for the frequency of dosing with dihydroboldenone it of course depends on the ester used with the compound. Seemingly the most popular current ester to produce the drug with is cypionate. No matter what ester utilized however the same rules would apply as with any other drug in terms of the frequency of administration needed to maintain relatively stable blood levels of the compound.

Risks/Side Effects

As previously indicated dihydroboldenone does not aromatize and therefore estrogenic side effects such as gynecomastia and water retention are not a concern for users. This is partly due to the drug being incapable of 5alpha reduction. Also, androgenic side effects would also be extremely infrequent for most users as there is little in the way, in terms of attributes of the drug, to produce these. These include such things as acne and hair loss, although it appears to have the potential to cause prostate enlargement. This potential for prostate growth is actually similar in frequency and severity as with that of testosterone propionate (2).

With the positive aspects of the lack of aromatization associated with dihydroboldenone also come the negative ones. Fortunately these are primarily limited to such symptoms as lethargy, malaise and possibly a reduction in sex drive. These are caused by a lower ratio of estrogen in comparison to androgens in the body. For the most part however this effect is relatively slight and can be avoided with the use of steroids that do aromatize in conjunction with dihydroboldenone and thus restore a better balance in terms of androgens versus estrogen.

It also appears that the administration of dihydroboldenone may result in an increase in liver weight (2). This effect occurred when administering the drug orally but should also be true of the drug when administered via intramuscular injection. There is no research to indicate this however.

Other common negative side effects associated with the use of anabolic/androgenic steroids are still relatively mild with the use of dihydroboldenone. Of course suppression of the natural testosterone production of users will occur like with all steroids, however other side effects such as an increase in blood pressure, acne and others are comparably mild and often times non-existent in users, at least as they are directly related to the administration of this drug.

In terms of side effects for women, at moderate to heavy doses symptoms of virilization are likely. These can include such symptoms as clitoral enlargement, body hair growth and deepening of the voice. At lower doses however these side effects should not be a concern for the majority of potential female users.

References

1. Llewellyn, William, Anabolics 2004, 2003-4, Molecular Nutrition, pp. 66-7.

2. Friedel A, Geyer H, Kamber M, Laudenbach-Leschowsky U, Schanzer W, Thevis M, Vollmer G, Zierau O, Diel P. 17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (1-testosterone) is a potent androgen with anabolic properties. Toxicol Lett. 2006 Aug 20;165(2):149-55.

3. Jadrijevic D, Girardi S, Iglesias R, Lipschutz A. Antifibromatogenic and antihysterotrophic activities of synthetic androgens (19-nor-methyltestosterone , 19-nor-testosterone phenylpropionate, delta 1-testosterone and delta 1-androstenedione). Proc Soc Exp Biol Med. 1957 Oct;96(1):259-61.

4. Choi MH, Chung BC, Lee W, Lee UC, Kim Y. Determination of anabolic steroids by gas chromatography/negative-ion chemical ionization mass spectrometry and gas chromatography/negative-ion chemical ionization tandem mass spectrometry with heptafluorobutyric anhydride derivatization. Rapid Commun Mass Spectrom. 1999;13(5):376-80.

Merc.

**TITANIUM** · 11-02-2009, 10:03 AM

As usual, nothing short of excellent Merc.

Good read.

Best

T

**Merc.** · 11-02-2009, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by TITANIUM

As usual, nothing short of excellent Merc.

Good read.

Best

T

Thanks T ....

Merc.

**The Deuce** · 11-02-2009, 12:52 PM

Wow Thanks Merc.. That's awesome.. MUCH APPRECIATED AS ALWAYS...

And to IMMORTAL SOLDIER.. bro, I could do without things like that.. it's a drama starter really.. I ASK QUESTIONS about things. I am curious.. I would like to know everything about everything

I am not going to do ALL THESE COMPOUNDS AT ONCE AT RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS...

To say I have a wish list and that I should either be 285 or DEAD is just a statement that is NOT needed.. WHY would you even make such a statement?? To see what kind of response you'd get out of me??

I asked a question LIKE I ALWAYS DO.. and everyone INCLUDING YOU speculates that I GOT a stockpile of whatever I am asking about and looking to start slamming it into my body !!!!!!!!!!!!! That is NOT the case.. what I am trying to do is build a knowledge base on every AAS out there.. find out what I like, what does what, what will produce the type of results I am looking for when coupled with my diet and training regimen to step me to the next level.

I am by NO MEANS JUST DOING SHIT-TONS OF ANABOLIC STEROIDS IN AN EFFORT TO KILL MYSELF OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON... I know how to run cycles.. appropriately.. I know how to come off.. I know how and what to stack with what....

But when I come across a compound that I look up and there is LITTLE TO NO INFO about it and it sounds interesting to me then I want to KNOW every possible In and OUT of that compound... WHO KNOWS I'll probably NEVER USE IT.. But at least the knowledge is there in case I want to.. and if anyone in the future ever asks me...

Hey THE DEUCE, I did a SEARCH and came up short and wanted to know about 1-test-cyp do you happen to know anything about it.. I can reply.. WHY YES I DO AS A MATTER OF FACT...

Do you see where I am going with this, and my purpose behind why I ASK QUESTIONS???

Knowledge is Power...

and once again.. Thanks Merc.. I much appreciate all the info !!

**gymnerd** · 11-02-2009, 05:10 PM

I didn't realize it was that similar to EQ and not testl. I was wondering why people were stacking 1 test cyp with regular test cyp I guess that makes alot of sense.

**Merc.** · 11-02-2009, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

Wow Thanks Merc.. That's awesome.. MUCH APPRECIATED AS ALWAYS...

And to IMMORTAL SOLDIER.. bro, I could do without things like that.. it's a drama starter really.. I ASK QUESTIONS about things. I am curious.. I would like to know everything about everything

I am not going to do ALL THESE COMPOUNDS AT ONCE AT RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS...

To say I have a wish list and that I should either be 285 or DEAD is just a statement that is NOT needed.. WHY would you even make such a statement?? To see what kind of response you'd get out of me??

I asked a question LIKE I ALWAYS DO.. and everyone INCLUDING YOU speculates that I GOT a stockpile of whatever I am asking about and looking to start slamming it into my body !!!!!!!!!!!!! That is NOT the case.. what I am trying to do is build a knowledge base on every AAS out there.. find out what I like, what does what, what will produce the type of results I am looking for when coupled with my diet and training regimen to step me to the next level.

I am by NO MEANS JUST DOING SHIT-TONS OF ANABOLIC STEROIDS IN AN EFFORT TO KILL MYSELF OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON... I know how to run cycles.. appropriately.. I know how to come off.. I know how and what to stack with what....

But when I come across a compound that I look up and there is LITTLE TO NO INFO about it and it sounds interesting to me then I want to KNOW every possible In and OUT of that compound... WHO KNOWS I'll probably NEVER USE IT.. But at least the knowledge is there in case I want to.. and if anyone in the future ever asks me...

Hey THE DEUCE, I did a SEARCH and came up short and wanted to know about 1-test-cyp do you happen to know anything about it.. I can reply.. WHY YES I DO AS A MATTER OF FACT...

Do you see where I am going with this, and my purpose behind why I ASK QUESTIONS???

Knowledge is Power...

and once again.. Thanks Merc.. I much appreciate all the info !!

No prob The Deuce ... Let me know what you think if you do ever give it a try ...

Merc.

**Merc.** · 11-02-2009, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

I didn't realize it was that similar to EQ and not testl. I was wondering why people were stacking 1 test cyp with regular test cyp I guess that makes alot of sense.

Everyone always says that to me ( not on the boards , but my friends ) .. it is a very common misconception because the name ....

Merc.

**The Deuce** · 11-02-2009, 08:41 PM

So overall is it labeled as an AAS or a PRO-HORMONE??

It's injectable obviously... so.. I am not sure HOW accurate this is but I always THOUGHT that Pro-Hormones were strictly ORAL only.. but then again.. I have never used an actual PH and have only USED AAS ... so.. I have to admit I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PH's.. except from what I have read here and there.. mostly people saying... "AAS are better and are LESS toxic.. " but if 1-test-cyp is actually a PH, by the sounds of it.. it isn't Toxic at all...

And yes I do plan on running it.. just havent quite figured out how or when or with what.. OBV. W/ Test.. won't take ANYTHING without TEST as a BASE... Bottom line...

When I run it.. I will of course run a LOG...

Hey MERC.. That LINK you included.. is that just some FAKIE Stuff put out by VPX to try and copy the actual real compound Dihydroboldenone?? The link confused me and threw me off.. especially since it's ONLY A .01 .. LOL..

**Merc.** · 11-02-2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

So overall is it labeled as an AAS or a PRO-HORMONE??

It's injectable obviously... so.. I am not sure HOW accurate this is but I always THOUGHT that Pro-Hormones were strictly ORAL only.. but then again.. I have never used an actual PH and have only USED AAS ... so.. I have to admit I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PH's.. except from what I have read here and there.. mostly people saying... "AAS are better and are LESS toxic.. " but if 1-test-cyp is actually a PH, by the sounds of it.. it isn't Toxic at all...

And yes I do plan on running it.. just havent quite figured out how or when or with what.. OBV. W/ Test.. won't take ANYTHING without TEST as a BASE... Bottom line...

When I run it.. I will of course run a LOG...

Hey MERC.. That LINK you included.. is that just some FAKIE Stuff put out by VPX to try and copy the actual real compound Dihydroboldenone?? The link confused me and threw me off.. especially since it's ONLY A .01 .. LOL..

Nah the VPX version was the real deal ... I just posted that VPX link to show you which 1- test cyp I used back in the day.. It was totally legal until they banned all the pro hormones ( many years back ).. Not sure why the hell they have the one penny price .. they should have no longer available listed..

You can check this thread out also ...

1 t juice

Merc.

**Merc.** · 11-02-2009, 09:36 PM

Oh and the VPX version was a "sterile oral" so it acually had BA in it .. So it was intented for oral consumption only .. but many peeps injected it ..

Merc.

**verino** · 11-02-2009, 10:08 PM

hey merc do you know if that 1t juice is legit?...looks pretty good.

**Merc.** · 11-03-2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by verino

hey merc do you know if that 1t juice is legit?...looks pretty good.

I dont know .. I never heard of it ( until he posted that link to it) ... On paper it sounds really good .. But I dont have any other info on it ....

If you do ever decide to give it a try let me know how it goes ...

Merc.