Bridged cycle with Test only

[oscarjones]

Just curious which you would prefer to run, if any. If this is a horrible idea, please advise to why?

Not wanting to cycle this right now, maybe sometime next spring.

basic info:
24yrs old - 5'10.5", 206lb, 10.5%BF
Cycled short 6 week Prop cycle recently, wish I had done a longer one. Had decent gains though, maybe 10-12lbs. Focus on gaining mass for 2 years. Played sports since 3rd grade, mostly Ice Hockey.

Diet's decent. 4.5-5kcal active, 4k non-active. i drop carbs on off-days and eat mostly pro/fat. changes daily. clean foods, chicken breast, lean beef, sweet taters, quinoa, black beans, lentils, oats, eggs, whey PWO/AM(sometimes i use muscle milk for an extra 300cals/day). no dairy/wheat/soy. lots of avocados fish oil/EVOO and spinach/broccoli/asparagus. love to eat. still learning to cook.

1)
Weeks 1-8: Test Prop 525mg/week (150mg/EOD or 75mg/ED)
Weeks 9-10: Test Prop 175mg/week (50mg/ED)
Weeks 11-18: Test Prop 525mg/week
PCT 19-22

2)
Weeks 1-8: Test E 500mg/week
Weeks 9-10: Test E 250mg/week
Weeks 11-18: Test E 500mg/week
PCT 21-24

May add in low dose of Proviron or T-bol for first or second 8 week stretch.

PCT would be
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

also running anastrozole 0.5mg EOD, accutane 20mg/ED, and finasteride 1.25mg/ED.

would the orals be too much with the accutane? i was thinking low doses would be OK followed with liver rehab/support in the PCT. would discontinue accutane during PCT, then maybe resume afterward after my blood work balances back out if i need to.

any input is welcome. thanks.

[JinNtonic]

I dont understand the reasoning for the 8 week/2 week/ 8 week.

Why not just run a 12 week cycle and get off?

[oscarjones]

I dont understand the reasoning for the 8 week/2 week/ 8 week.

Why not just run a 12 week cycle and get off?

Well after reading through the sling-shot training program by Ronnie, and his beliefs about anabolic phases I thought this would be a better idea for growing, instead of the claimed "yo-yo" effect that he said happens when you do a longer cycle, then come off for a while. The idea is to gain more, and sustain more of the gains with this approach, i am hoping. he made some comments and suggestions like this in Notorious' cycle log. i figured i'd give it a shot.

diet and training changes during the two weeks.

[Hazard]

You are more or less talking about a blast/cruise but kept short...... I don't like it.

I AM NOT RECCOMENDING THIS..... but If I was going to doit.... i'd doit like this

1-12 Test E 750

13-22 Test E 200-250

23-34 Test E 750

In which case..... a better idea might be trying out ronnie rowlands reload/deload cycle approach.

I'm not reccomending this either but If I was going to do an 18 weeker.... I might do this:

1-18 525mg's test prop
1-9 NPP
10-18 Tren A

If you run a long cycle i'd definately use HCG and definately utilize an aggressive pct....

Clomid: 100/100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20

~Haz~

[Vitruvian-Man]

Well after reading through the sling-shot training program by Ronnie, and his beliefs about anabolic phases I thought this would be a better idea for growing, instead of the claimed "yo-yo" effect that he said happens when you do a longer cycle, then come off for a while. The idea is to gain more, and sustain more of the gains with this approach, i am hoping.

That's your problem.

I wouldn't follow his advice. (unless you are VERY experienced in priming your body... which you obviously aren't..)

And I would definitely not try and bridge your cycle, and continue with another one.

[oscarjones]

You are more or less talking about a blast/cruise but kept short...... I don't like it.

I AM NOT RECCOMENDING THIS..... but If I was going to doit.... i'd doit like this

1-12 Test E 750

13-22 Test E 200-250

23-34 Test E 750

In which case..... a better idea might be trying out ronnie rowlands reload/deload cycle approach.

I'm not reccomending this either but If I was going to do an 18 weeker.... I might do this:

1-18 525mg's test prop
1-9 NPP
10-18 Tren A

If you run a long cycle i'd definately use HCG and definately utilize an aggressive pct....

Clomid: 100/100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20

~Haz~

I forgot to mention I would be utilizing HCG throughout. Thanks for your input Haz.

That's your problem.

I wouldn't follow his advice. (unless you are VERY experienced in priming your body... which you obviously aren't..)

And I would definitely not try and bridge your cycle, and continue with another one.

Advice appreciated. Why wouldn't you bridge though? Too harsh on the system in general?

[Ronnie Rowland]

I dont understand the reasoning for the 8 week/2 week/ 8 week.

Why not just run a 12 week cycle and get off?

The reason behind this protocol is that very few make any noticebale gains past 8-10 weeks. Slingshot Training is actually a 10 week cycle consisting of an 8 week reload and a 2 week deload. This 10 week phase is called a blast. You make gains throughout the entire 10 weeks then start the process all over again.

Once you feel the need to come off all drugs you can PCT during an 8 week reload. The start back on during the next reload.

[Ronnie Rowland]

You are more or less talking about a blast/cruise but kept short...... I don't like it.

I AM NOT RECCOMENDING THIS..... but If I was going to doit.... i'd doit like this

1-12 Test E 750

13-22 Test E 200-250

23-34 Test E 750

In which case..... a better idea might be trying out ronnie rowlands reload/deload cycle approach.

I'm not reccomending this either but If I was going to do an 18 weeker.... I might do this:

1-18 525mg's test prop
1-9 NPP
10-18 Tren A

If you run a long cycle i'd definately use HCG and definately utilize an aggressive pct....

Clomid: 100/100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20

~Haz~

Well, IMO the first approach is not optimal for several reasons.

1) You are saying to run test for 12 weeks straight at the same dosage. Why do this when gains stop at around 8 weeks?

2) You are saying to run only 250 mgs of test through weeks 13-22 (that means you will be going 8 weeks without making any gains while still shutting down your HPTA!) Why not jump back on at week 15 and start gaining again?

[Ronnie Rowland]

That's your problem.

I wouldn't follow his advice. (unless you are VERY experienced in priming your body... which you obviously aren't..)

And I would definitely not try and bridge your cycle, and continue with another one.

Priming is not required for Slingshot Training!

In regards to bridging a cycle and/or doing pct it's up to the individual.

[oscarjones]

Thanks again for the insight Ronnie!

[Capebuffalo]

Ronnie is the man. Been following him for months. No complaints. Except had to buy larger clothes.