500mg testosterone every week and just go with it...

[Ghost84]

Hi!

If I told u I had a large sack of test-flasks under my bed and was thinking about just inject 500mg of test every week for an unknown period af time, longer than say, 6 months.

How often u think I should inject hCG , if at all?

[D7M]

and why exactly do you want to do this?

sounds pretty poorly planned and foolish to me

[chuckt12345]

bye troll

[BJJ]

Hi!

If I told u I had a large sack of test-flasks under my bed and was thinking about just inject 500mg of test every week for an unknown period af time, longer than say, 6 months.

How often u think I should inject hCG, if at all?

This is a very interesting question.
Also, when I was going to plan my first cycle (it had to be test en), I thought in the same way you did!

[Someguy123]

if you are gonna mess yourself up, and end up on TRT anyway. then why bother with HCG at all??

[BJJ]

if you are gonna mess yourself up, and end up on TRT anyway. then why bother with HCG at all??

it's a troll man,
trollorum, trollofilus, trollomnibus... I tried the latin but it did not work.

[tboney]

Hi!

If I told u I had a large sack of test-flasks under my bed and was thinking about just inject 500mg of test every week for an unknown period af time, longer than say, 6 months.

How often u think I should inject hCG, if at all?

I would say...get lost moron troll!

[D7M]

it's a troll man,
trollorum, trollofilus, trollomnibus... I tried the latin but it did not work.

I thought troll was a second declension...

trollus
trolli
trollo
trollum

[taboo-09]

troll

[BJJ]

I thought troll was a second declension...

trollus
trolli
trollo
trollum

Actually I was just joking.

Well, as far as I am concerned, a troll is a demon coming from the Scandinavian mythology. I do not know in US's slang how it is meant.

In any case, I would put it in the "neutral" second declension, so:

nominative: trollŭm
genitive: trollī
dative: trollō
accusative: trollŭm
vocative: trollŭm
ablative: trollō

But I might be wrong since my Latin is not so good, after all.

[Exilus]

Dont bother with the hcg man. Just inject one full flask a day (1 cc every hour and a half) until you run out. That way maybe you'll have a shorter cycle, like 6-12 weeks. And you SHOULD beef a bit.

[Kibble]

Don't be sarcastic with morons brother. They might not get it

[Ashop]

Hi!

If I told u I had a large sack of test-flasks under my bed and was thinking about just inject 500mg of test every week for an unknown period af time, longer than say, 6 months.

How often u think I should inject hCG, if at all?

I wouldnt do it for that long but during a NORMAL cycle 500 iu of HCG every 5 days.

[Ghost84]

First off, pretty happy so many bothered with my thread tnx everyone
I didnt really got what u meant by troll, but if u called me that for posting, what I understand some of u thought, such a stupid question then U nailed it cause im from sweden and we do believe in trolls here, or ogres as u might call them. Everyone of us do. Anyways, if I was to be serious though.

In my experience the body has a way to get used to certain stress. And the endocrine-system is a slowchanging one, apart for lets say the nervous-system that acts with transmittor-substances. And doing a certain amount of testosterone for lets say 3 months (as common) and then start injecting and intake alot of other substances to get everything normal again isnt the best alternative (and thats just a theory of mine). I think the better way is to use a certain amount of steroids (like test cyp or enanth) for a prolonged period of time. The benefits would be:
1. Injecting steroids does (as u all know) affect almost every other hormone in some way. And by letting the body adjust to the new environment and then keep it up for some time, rather than change it again after 3 months where the body might just have settled with it. An argument I have for this is that some poeple have told me that when they uses gear for a longer period of time they experience that by month three or four some sides subsides. Like moodswings! And your mood could in some way be a mirror as to how your endocrine-system are doin.
2. In the long run the healthiest way of using steroids must be to shake up your system as few times as possible and use as few substances as possible. Its logic.

Last I want to point out that I do not say that "ok so if I use 600 grams of testosterone and 5000 dianabol a day I just have to use then loooonger to avoid sides!!"

Want Im talking about is using a moderate amount and of course no orals as they affect your stomach and intestines in another way, as u all know.

Any opinions are appreciated!!

Now I´m gonna crep into my trollcave again. Have a good one!

[Someguy123]

First off, pretty happy so many bothered with my thread tnx everyone
I didnt really got what u meant by troll, but if u called me that for posting, what I understand some of u thought, such a stupid question then U nailed it cause im from sweden and we do believe in trolls here, or ogres as u might call them. Everyone of us do. Anyways, if I was to be serious though.

In my experience the body has a way to get used to certain stress. And the endocrine-system is a slowchanging one, apart for lets say the nervous-system that acts with transmittor-substances. And doing a certain amount of testosterone for lets say 3 months (as common) and then start injecting and intake alot of other substances to get everything normal again isnt the best alternative (and thats just a theory of mine). I think the better way is to use a certain amount of steroids (like test cyp or enanth) for a prolonged period of time. The benefits would be:
1. Injecting steroids does (as u all know) affect almost every other hormone in some way. And by letting the body adjust to the new environment and then keep it up for some time, rather than change it again after 3 months where the body might just have settled with it. An argument I have for this is that some poeple have told me that when they uses gear for a longer period of time they experience that by month three or four some sides subsides. Like moodswings! And your mood could in some way be a mirror as to how your endocrine-system are doin.
2. In the long run the healthiest way of using steroids must be to shake up your system as few times as possible and use as few substances as possible. Its logic.

Last I want to point out that I do not say that "ok so if I use 600 grams of testosterone and 5000 dianabol a day I just have to use then loooonger to avoid sides!!"

Want Im talking about is using a moderate amount and of course no orals as they affect your stomach and intestines in another way, as u all know.

Any opinions are appreciated!!

Now I´m gonna crep into my trollcave again. Have a good one!

i understand how youre rationalizing this to yourself. but you are missing the big picture here.

YES, if you use for a long period of time, your body will more or less get used to it. but by getting used to it, part of that is making your natural testosterone production shut down. and the longer you shut it down for, the longer it takes to come back. and if you run it long enough, it might never come back. so like i said in the first place, you would probably end up on TRT for the rest of your life, if you ran test for 6 months. so if youre ok with that, then go for it. if i decided to do something like this. i would probably be running 250iu of HCG E3D, right from the start of the cycle. in the hopes that it would help me restart my test production once your cycle is over.

but this is why people take time off, because even though it shakes up our hormonal balance a lot. we arent ok, with permanently shutting down our system.

[Ghost84]

Hmm...

well, tnx for that post Someguy123!! Polite answer very appreciated!

The reason I asked this is that I see many guys do this. I know at least 10 people and even though thats not very many in comparison to how many there is that uses AAS I feel that they are normal healthy men and should be pretty representative to the normal human male body. And at least 4 of them came of their gear after at least a year on, and now, a few months later they are just fine.
I do not think that the system is sensetive enough in a normal grown up male to shut down completely in just 6 months.
But as U just said. Since there is now scientific prof or research on this, at least not in my reach, do one really want to risk it??

I guess almost every pro strongman and bodybuilder chooses to take that risk.

[feeldapump89]

Hmm...

well, tnx for that post Someguy123!! Polite answer very appreciated!

The reason I asked this is that I see many guys do this. I know at least 10 people and even though thats not very many in comparison to how many there is that uses AAS I feel that they are normal healthy men and should be pretty representative to the normal human male body. And at least 4 of them came of their gear after at least a year on, and now, a few months later they are just fine.
I do not think that the system is sensetive enough in a normal grown up male to shut down completely in just 6 months.
But as U just said. Since there is now scientific prof or research on this, at least not in my reach, do one really want to risk it??

I guess almost every pro strongman and bodybuilder chooses to take that risk.

Id like to see the bloodwork of these 10 individuals only this may tell how "fine" they really are... And why dont you just split all that test up into 2-3 cycles? You will see far better gains this way. If you were to run what you were planning your gains would have tapered off at tops week 16 which is 4 months. Thus wasting w/e gear you decide to use for the remaining 2 months, only thing you would be doing is maintaining your gains.

[BJJ]

it's a troll man,
trollorum, trollofilus, trollomnibus... I tried the latin but it did not work.

I apologize for my previous post, I did not mean to offend your belief.
I thought you were not being serious.
Actually, I was wrong.

[Someguy123]

Hmm...

well, tnx for that post Someguy123!! Polite answer very appreciated!

The reason I asked this is that I see many guys do this. I know at least 10 people and even though thats not very many in comparison to how many there is that uses AAS I feel that they are normal healthy men and should be pretty representative to the normal human male body. And at least 4 of them came of their gear after at least a year on, and now, a few months later they are just fine.
I do not think that the system is sensetive enough in a normal grown up male to shut down completely in just 6 months.
But as U just said. Since there is now scientific prof or research on this, at least not in my reach, do one really want to risk it??

I guess almost every pro strongman and bodybuilder chooses to take that risk.

+1 on wanting to see blood work.

the studies and medical information is easily at your finger tips. go read some of the PCT stickies here. there are studies showing, that a person can be completely shut down, within a few weeks of starting a cycle. i think its members "warmachine" and "swifto" that wrote some good posts here about PCT.

and as feeldapump said. gains really start to dwindle, after 8-10 weeks. which you can also find information on this here too. so for someone like a pro BB, who has to do 4+ competitions a year, staying on is required. cause they dont have the time, for down time. as well as them doing guest posings, etc.

but for us average gym rats. we should be concerned about making the most gains possible. and not worrying about our downtime, since we dont make a living off of this.

[Ghost84]

First off.

BJJ - If u jst apologized honestly about not meaning to offend my belief in trolls, that must be the most polite and tolerant thing Ive seen on a forum in my life
And if Im right about u being honest I actually feel a bit bad cause I was joking, we do not belive in trolls anymore although its still a common theme in childs stories and sagas.
We left that some hundreds of years ago when we went from helmets and axes to christianity and good will towards men :P

Well, Someguy123 and feelthapump89. You make a pretty good point in making it safe since we do not make a living out of this.
And you are probably right about the bloodwork too.

well, Im really glad to be taken seriously, Thanx alot

Even though it might not seem like it due this my first thread on this forum I actually am one who really wants to play it safe. And the story is that Ive been training for a 5 years without steroids now (did some before) and made some really good strengthgains and bodyweight. Actually entered 2 strongman competitions without even a coffee in the morning and ended up second and third to some 15 guys. But lately Ive started to feel that the gains are coming slowly and to a really great cost in sacrifices in life. And even though I like being all into my training your psyche needs a payoff worth the effort.

SO, my next question is as following!

If I told you that I wanted to do either 250mg of sustanon or the same amount of any other slowacting steroid for 10 weeks at a time. would that make more sense? along with a suiting PCT

I want to go low and since Im used to make a 14-20 pound increase to my deadlift max a year any extra gain is welcome. But would this be worth it?

[BJJ]

First off.

BJJ - If u jst apologized honestly about not meaning to offend my belief in trolls, that must be the most polite and tolerant thing Ive seen on a forum in my life

And if Im right about u being honest I actually feel a bit bad cause I was joking, we do not belive in trolls anymore although its still a common theme in childs stories and sagas.
We left that some hundreds of years ago when we went from helmets and axes to christianity and good will towards men :P

Well, Someguy123 and feelthapump89. You make a pretty good point in making it safe since we do not make a living out of this.
And you are probably right about the bloodwork too.

well, Im really glad to be taken seriously, Thanx alot

Even though it might not seem like it due this my first thread on this forum I actually am one who really wants to play it safe. And the story is that Ive been training for a 5 years without steroids now (did some before) and made some really good strengthgains and bodyweight. Actually entered 2 strongman competitions without even a coffee in the morning and ended up second and third to some 15 guys. But lately Ive started to feel that the gains are coming slowly and to a really great cost in sacrifices in life. And even though I like being all into my training your psyche needs a payoff worth the effort.

SO, my next question is as following!

If I told you that I wanted to do either 250mg of sustanon or the same amount of any other slowacting steroid for 10 weeks at a time. would that make more sense? along with a suiting PCT

I want to go low and since Im used to make a 14-20 pound increase to my deadlift max a year any extra gain is welcome. But would this be worth it?

Of course I was honest, I do not like sarcasm and can only accept it if I know a person very well. So at first, I never would have used it toward you.

No problem, I guessed you were playing about trolls too. The point is, you came here asking for advices and I took you wrong and for this I apologize.

Regarding the trolls, if you find one tell me since I would like to try subduing him/her!

[thenextcutler]

is "troll" the opposite of "fishing"? This thread turned my mind in to a pretzel.

[oscarjones]

trolls need love too.

[Dumbass]

I've been on for almost that amount of time, waiting to get bloodwork done.

I had as much a plan as you, and now I'm regreting it like I've never regreted putting anything in my body before.

It's easy to convince yourself why you shouldn't come of, but unless you are way past your natural potential and at a point where you need lots of exogenous hormones just to not loose years of training there realy isn't anything to justify it.

[calgarian]

Hi!

If I told u I had a large sack of test-flasks under my bed and was thinking about just inject 500mg of test every week for an unknown period af time, longer than say, 6 months.

How often u think I should inject hCG, if at all?

***shakes his head and leaves the thread......

[Someguy123]

If I told you that I wanted to do either 250mg of sustanon or the same amount of any other slowacting steroid for 10 weeks at a time. would that make more sense? along with a suiting PCT

I want to go low and since Im used to make a 14-20 pound increase to my deadlift max a year any extra gain is welcome. But would this be worth it?

for someone just getting into AAS. this scenario makes a lot more sense. ands its good that you are thinking of starting at a lower dose. so many guys here say you NEED to do 500mg/wk. but that just isnt the case for a lot of people. plenty of us make great gains off of lower doses. and if you start high, you will never find out if lower doses benefit you. so you end up taking more than you need, and end up with a lot more sides.

[got fina?]

I never worked out the way i was told to, never dieted the way i was told to, and never juiced the way i was told to.

I have always read up the basics, and experimented on my own, to see what worked best for me.

All of my cycle have been ran and extremely low doses, and ran for twice as long as most would recommened.
I sometimes post what my cycles look like and people laugh and say its just not enough, or just dont beleive me at all.

My first few cycles where of just test (anywhere from 250-300 week) and ran some for as long as 6 months with 6 months inbetween.

I never did on pct in my life. not cause i didnt want to but because i didnt know about it till recently.

Got blood work 2 weeks ago and everything was exactly where it should be or better.
Im 32 and test was 463 which doc said was normal.

I dont recommened doing what i did, but just want to let all know that i dont beleive theres a handbook out there on how to juice, or diet.

I think one should experiment and see what dosages work better for them, and what diet they respond to best.

Thank you, Got Fina.

[Ghost84]

Yeah Ive heard people say that 200-300mgs of test every week is too low, for example Dave Palumbo (mind the spelling). He said that 200mgs of test would only replace your own testosterone . And of course it does, eventually, but it will lead to an increased amout of free testosterone.
In a normal adult male there are between 10-30 nmol/L (nano-mole per litre blood)
Which is 0,000000010 or 0,000000030 x 6,022x10^23 per litre blood.
I did an estimated calculation on the testosterone molecularweight, and ended up with this number 1,0624x10^(-30) mg.

Calculating the 30 nmol/L with the weight of the test-molecule I ended up with a weight of approx 1,91x10^(-15) per litre blood so take that times 5 and u get 9,5x10(-15)mg per 5 litres, in other words around approx 0,0000000000000009,59mg per 5 litres.

This is of course the free amount of testosterone thats not bound to SHBG-complex, but its hell of alot less that the 40mg per litre 200mg of testosterone a week would give u.

So I guess people thats not noticing anything from such a low dose does something wrong or are already huge.

So Yeah I want to do as low as possible and even considered 10mgs of dianabol for 60 days (ever heard about that one before haha ). I feel that if I can feel a change in training and endurance of off creatine (which I really do) then I ought to feel a difference on small doses of dianabol too.

If u mind me putting up all those numbers it was also for myself to see cause science is dear to heart and I actually plan to go to med-school this spring.

About trolls!

Trolling is a kind of fishing but a troll would be something of an ogre or gnome, theres different kinds.
This is an example: http://ss11i01.stream.ip-only.net/im...93f1a293122c92

This pic is actually from a famous swedish fairytale

Tnx everyone for bothering

[tboney]

I would say...get lost moron troll!

Sorry for the insult.. I truly believed you were just trying to get a rise out of people. Again, I apologize...

[Ghost84]

NP dude. Its important to be serious on a forum like this. I just tend to express myself a bit ironic

[Hazard]

So Yeah I want to do as low as possible and even considered 10mgs of dianabol for 60 days (ever heard about that one before haha ). I feel that if I can feel a change in training and endurance of off creatine (which I really do) then I ought to feel a difference on small doses of dianabol too.

I was like that with No-Xplod..... I notice a difference when I take it. It actually helped me gain size when i was off cycle..... ocoarse along with my diet.

With that said tho..... I didn't notice 30mg's/day of dbol too much. Maybe the dbol was crap..... thats always a possibility but my last cycle had 50mg's/dbol a day and i definately noticed that.....

just FYI

~Haz~

[Ghost84]

Just noticed that my numbers are wrong the total free amount of testosterone should be around 7.19x10^(-10)/Litre