Revised Cycle - Test E and Dbol - Any Advice PPL?

**Ca$tro** · 11-16-2009, 09:03 AM

My current Training Regime is as follows, i tend to train 1 hr mon-sat:

Mon - Cardio and Abs
Tue - Chest and Bi
Wed - Legs and Traps
Thurs - Shoulders and Tri
Fri - Back and Abs
Sat - Cardio only

My Diet is as follows:

1. Before gym 10am: Oats/ 10 egg whites with glutamine/ Coffee.
2. After gym 1pm: ProPeptide (protein shake) with glutamine.
3. About 3pm: Chicken breast with brown rice.
4. About 5pm: 2 cans of tuna with sweetcorn.
5. About 7pm: Meal replacement with an apple.
6. About 10pm: Chicken breast with brown rice again.
7. About 1am: Meal Replacement and an apple.
8. Before bed: Peptide shake and vitc/calcium/fish oil tablets.
No Carbs/Dairy after 7pm.

My Stats are as follow:

AGE: 32
HEIGHT: 6ft
WEIGHT: 99Kg
BF%: Never measured dont know how to!
DIET: as above
TRAINING: as above
PREVIOUS CYCLES: none
GOALS: to become a trojan, not interested in competing; it's for my selfishness
PCT KNOWLEDGE : as declared below

My Revised CYCLE

Week 1-4: Dbol 30mg E/D (10mg morn/afternoon/evening)

Week 1-12: TestE 500mg P/W (250mg Mon Morn/ 250mg Thurs Eve)

Week 7-12: HCG 500iu (PW) (250iu x 2)

Week 13-14: Clean???????????????

Week 15-20: Option 1

Day01: Clomid 200mg/ Nolva 60mg
2 -11: Clomid 100mg/ Nolva 40mg
12-21: Clomid 50mg/ Nolva 20mg

Week 17-20: Option 2

Day01: Clomid 300mg/ Nolva 20mg/ .25mg LDEX
2-30: Clomid 100mg/ Nolva 20mg/ .25mg LDEX
31-37: Nolva 20mg/.25mg LDEX

I know i will still have to revise this as well as do more research into cycles and PCT.
What am i missing??? I believe that the Dbol and TestE are self explanatory, it's the PCT i require help with as well as running HCG / Milk Thistle / Liv 52 / Armidex / LDEX / Types of Needles
I know i have to get my blood tests done (before/during/after).
I already have my Test E and Dbol, the Test E is in glass vials, and the dbol is made Apex.

I also have some Epistane, now this is an oral anabolic compound. Is there any use of me taking this before i start my cycle or should i just leave it sat in the cupboard?? I am actually planning on starting my test e cycle in the new year but thought that i might use the Epi to give me a boost in the gym till then?? Any thoughts Trojans??

Thanks for your on-going help ppl, i look forwrds to your surperior advice.

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**nilrac** · 11-16-2009, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Ca$tro

My current Training Regime is as follows, i tend to train 1 hr mon-sat:

Mon - Cardio and Abs
Tue - Chest and Bi
Wed - Legs and Traps
Thurs - Shoulders and Tri
Fri - Back and Abs
Sat - Cardio only

My Diet is as follows:

1. Before gym 10am: Oats/ 10 egg whites with glutamine/ Coffee.
2. After gym 1pm: ProPeptide (protein shake) with glutamine.
3. About 3pm: Chicken breast with brown rice.
4. About 5pm: 2 cans of tuna with sweetcorn.
5. About 7pm: Meal replacement with an apple.
6. About 10pm: Chicken breast with brown rice again.
7. About 1am: Meal Replacement and an apple.
8. Before bed: Peptide shake and vitc/calcium/fish oil tablets.
No Carbs/Dairy after 7pm.

My Stats are as follow:

AGE: 32
HEIGHT: 6ft
WEIGHT: 99Kg
BF%: Never measured dont know how to!
DIET: as above
TRAINING: as above
PREVIOUS CYCLES: none
GOALS: to become a trojan, not interested in competing; it's for my selfishness
PCT KNOWLEDGE : as declared below

My Revised CYCLE

Week 1-4: Dbol 30mg E/D (10mg morn/afternoon/evening)

Week 1-12: TestE 500mg P/W (250mg Mon Morn/ 250mg Thurs Eve)

Week 7-12: HCG 500iu (PW) (250iu x 2)

Week 13-14: Clean???????????????

Week 15-20: Option 1

Day01: Clomid 200mg/ Nolva 60mg
2 -11: Clomid 100mg/ Nolva 40mg
12-21: Clomid 50mg/ Nolva 20mg

Week 17-20: Option 2

Day01: Clomid 300mg/ Nolva 20mg/ .25mg LDEX
2-30: Clomid 100mg/ Nolva 20mg/ .25mg LDEX
31-37: Nolva 20mg/.25mg LDEX

I know i will still have to revise this as well as do more research into cycles and PCT.
What am i missing??? I believe that the Dbol and TestE are self explanatory, it's the PCT i require help with as well as running HCG / Milk Thistle / Liv 52 / Armidex / LDEX / Types of Needles
I know i have to get my blood tests done (before/during/after).
I already have my Test E and Dbol, the Test E is in glass vials, and the dbol is made Apex.

I also have some Epistane, now this is an oral anabolic compound. Is there any use of me taking this before i start my cycle or should i just leave it sat in the cupboard?? I am actually planning on starting my test e cycle in the new year but thought that i might use the Epi to give me a boost in the gym till then?? Any thoughts Trojans??

Thanks for your on-going help ppl, i look forwrds to your surperior advice.

TC[/SIZE][/SIZE]

Get some body fat calipers. They usually have instructions on how to use them, depending which ones you buy. Very easy and quite accurate.

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-16-2009, 09:38 AM

1st can u give us some form of guess with bf%. can u see your abs?

2nd, in your diet id like to see meals with real food instead of those meal replacements. real food is a much better source of nutrients

cycle looks good. u can run hcg all the way up until your last week u run hcg.

pct option 2 is best except on day 1 u dont need those high doses, just keep it at 100 and 40. then 50 and 20 rest of the way out. 4 weeks should be enough though.

u can use your liver support after u run your dbol

i notice u mention arimidex and ldex seperately, they are the same thing though. ldex is just the liquid form. as for this, u need to decide whether you re gonna run it on cycle to control estrogen or save it for PCT. could also consider aromasin for pct in replacement of adex

as for the epistane, i dont have experience with it. why exactly do u want to use it?

**Ca$tro** · 11-16-2009, 04:42 PM

Thanks for your prompt reply mate...
I will invest in body calipers so that i can measure bf%, and answering your question, i cannot see my abs and would not consider my self to be of slim build. I will try and get back to you about bf%.

I agree with your self about too many replacement meals, yet as i am always on the road it just seems the best option when packing my food for the day. I don't disagree with you and shall also look into changing my diet.

I believe that Ldex is the liquid form of Adex, but how and when in the cycle would i take this?? Is it injected or is it oral??

Same goes for HCG , is that injected or is that oral??

I have already got the TestE and the Dbol as well as enough Clomid and Nolva to do a 4-5 week PCT after my 12 week course.
Is there any way you can list what else i should have in hand before i start and cock up some where, ie Needles.

Epi, i thought that seen as i have about 6-8 weeks before i start my Test course the Epi may help me in the gym at the moment?? I am not having any urges to take it but thought that if it has potential to help me increase strength then why not? but i am not sure if it needs PCT along side... May be i should just stay clean till i start TestE course. Really don't wanna mess things up hence asking for your help first.

Thankyou for your help and on-going advise.

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-16-2009, 04:50 PM

ldex is oral liquid adex is an oral pill, so no injections. it can be run on cycle to control estrogen buiild up or u can wait and run it in pct. personally i think it is best to run a low dose like .25mg EOD on cycle

hcg is by injection ill post up a good link for that in a sec also a great pct one

make sure u have all of what u need on hand before u start. ie nolva clomid, adex syringes alcohol swabs and ofcourse all your gear

as for pct goes, there are diff ways to run it depending on diff factors. i run adex on cycle so my pct looks like this

clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

(wk1/wk2/wk3/wk4) that what is meant in the clomid and nolva regimine above. those are the doses in mgs everyday, adds up to 28days

**chuckt12345** · 11-16-2009, 04:52 PM

option 1, man dont wait 4wks for pct
and a month should suffice

**CHUCKYthentic** · 11-16-2009, 04:53 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

^^^^great pct read

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398794

^^^^great HCG read

**Ca$tro** · 11-18-2009, 09:48 AM

Chuckythentic, thanks for your help again, especially with PCT and HCG . I have read the links before but read them again as they are v.informative.

I believe that it is important to run HCG along side the cycle to help the old testicles. I also think your right about preventing anything first so i would use ldex/adex throughout cycle at .25mg E/D. Someone else has advised to the same so sound like good advice.

PCT : Tamox 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

As i am using dbol i will use milk thistle week 1-4 and Liv 52 week 4-12.

I am still missing anything:List goes like this - Test Enth / Dbol / Nolva / Clomid / Liv52 / Milk Thistle / Ldex or Adex / HCG / Needles / Swabs / Blood Tests / Vitamins / Supplements /
I just wanna make sure i have everything required before starting my cycle. Do not want bitch tit's nor do i want my nuts shrinking, Mrs is already stressing me out about considering AAS.
Has anyone got anything to add to the list???