Educated/Expirienced people in here!

**Muscle4Life** · 12-01-2009, 06:35 PM

Hey people, i am now educating myself about anabolic 's. Looking to do a cycle sometime.

Hear me out first, if your going to bash me make sure you know what your talking about.

About me---- I am 19y/o training for slightly over 2 years now(your prob thinking omg heres another ignorant teen looking for an easy way out).

Stats from 2007-2009. height 5'8

Bodyweight--125lbs-195lbs
Arms-12 inches-16.8 inches, legs 21.5-26 inches,chest 40-46inches.

Lifts--Dead lift 185lbs-405lbs---Bench press 105lbs-295lbs- weighted dips at 100lbs, chins at 45lbs etc

Supplements--Whey protein, Weight Gainer, Super pump 250, Glutamine,
Tribulus, Multi Vitamins, Waxi maize(carbs). Don't tell me go correct your diet and educate yourself about training etc( not trying to be arrogant) Because my daily routines are made from a nutritionist/personal trainer/ former npc competitior. My intake is over 4000 cal a day, 350g of protein--essential oils etc.

I am dead serious about being a junior competitor, and i think the danger in steroids is exaggerated. I don't drink, quit smoking weed and other things.

Should I be in the clubs popping X, getting drunk and high of the green at the same time every weekend like all the other guys my age I call friends? Or is that safer for my liver and over all health?

Honestly tho im looking just to get SERIOUS about bodybuilding, honestly whats worse for my health being a party animal or an animal in the gym. Just hear me out, im looking to do a mild cycle( still doing research and will be doing it for a couple of months ) and anavar looks the best for my goals ( little sides, strength gains/size 5-10lbs)PCT aswell . Oh and i won't be getting any taller, MRI been done and my growth plates are fused.

Anybody who wants to help educate me further, be my guest and sorry for the loong asss post

**elpropiotorvic** · 12-01-2009, 06:56 PM

welcome

**workoutfreak078** · 12-01-2009, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Muscle4Life

Hey people, i am now educating myself about anabolic 's. Looking to do a cycle sometime.

Hear me out first, if your going to bash me make sure you know what your talking about.

About me---- I am 19y/o training for slightly over 2 years now(your prob thinking omg heres another ignorant teen looking for an easy way out).

Stats from 2007-2009. height 5'8

Bodyweight--125lbs-195lbs
Arms-12 inches-16.8 inches, legs 21.5-26 inches,chest 40-46inches.

Lifts--Dead lift 185lbs-405lbs---Bench press 105lbs-295lbs- weighted dips at 100lbs, chins at 45lbs etc

Supplements--Whey protein, Weight Gainer, Super pump 250, Glutamine,
Tribulus, Multi Vitamins, Waxi maize(carbs). Don't tell me go correct your diet and educate yourself about training etc( not trying to be arrogant) Because my daily routines are made from a nutritionist/personal trainer/ former npc competitior. My intake is over 4000 cal a day, 350g of protein--essential oils etc.

I am dead serious about being a junior competitor, and i think the danger in steroids is exaggerated. I don't drink, quit smoking weed and other things.

Should I be in the clubs popping X, getting drunk and high of the green at the same time every weekend like all the other guys my age I call friends? Or is that safer for my liver and over all health?

Honestly tho im looking just to get SERIOUS about bodybuilding, honestly whats worse for my health being a party animal or an animal in the gym. Just hear me out, im looking to do a mild cycle( still doing research and will be doing it for a couple of months ) and anavar looks the best for my goals ( little sides, strength gains/size 5-10lbs)PCT aswell . Oh and i won't be getting any taller, MRI been done and my growth plates are fused.

Anybody who wants to help educate me further, be my guest and sorry for the loong asss post

What exactly is your question?

BG · 12-01-2009, 07:00 PM

Post some pics.

**bjpennnn** · 12-01-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by BG

Post some pics.

ditto

**Dont wanna be old** · 12-01-2009, 07:06 PM

**Muscle4Life** · 12-01-2009, 07:08 PM

1234

**elpropiotorvic** · 12-01-2009, 07:18 PM

bro....keep it cool.....nobody flaming you as of this moment....u sound very defensive, i do forsee ppl flaming but put ur guard down, u are free to do with ur body whatever u want ....u dont have to justify urself ...

**Muscle4Life** · 12-01-2009, 07:22 PM

1234

**Muscle4Life** · 12-01-2009, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

bro....keep it cool.....nobody flaming you as of this moment....u sound very defensive, i do forsee ppl flaming but put ur guard down, u are free to do with ur body whatever u want ....u dont have to justify urself ...

yea, i guess ive read to many post with people getting flamed left and right LOL

**warchild** · 12-01-2009, 07:32 PM

5'8 and you say you're 195lbs???

**Muscle4Life** · 12-01-2009, 07:45 PM

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**Little Herc** · 12-01-2009, 08:08 PM

Someone may correct me but I have always thought your test levels were already high in your teens? I dont think taking low doses of Test would do anything but shut u down for lower lvls of test that are usually not gonna come back to what they were before. I know you dont wanna hear it but your testosterone levels are shooting through the roof right now and you might gain 20-30lbs but if u are bringing down your overall test lvls your actually just stealing from better gains you could have had in the future.

It's your body but just realize that it is gonna be there in 10 years. I know that seems like a long way off and you want gains now but its closer than you think. God writing this makes me feel old. Good luck

I just read your not taking test so...hmm

**Muscle4Life** · 12-01-2009, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Little Herc

Someone may correct me but I have always thought your test levels were already high in your teens? I dont think taking low doses of Test would do anything but shut u down for lower lvls of test that are usually not gonna come back to what they were before. I know you dont wanna hear it but your testosterone levels are shooting through the roof right now and you might gain 20-30lbs but if u are bringing down your overall test lvls your actually just stealing from better gains you could have had in the future.

It's your body but just realize that it is gonna be there in 10 years. I know that seems like a long way off and you want gains now but its closer than you think. God writing this makes me feel old. Good luck

I just read your not taking test so...hmm

Im not taking anything except nutritional supplements, the juice will be there in 10 years guaranteed, but will I? I wanna compete , trying to understand more about steroids but honestly how much danger could i possibly be putting myself in with a mild cycle, my diet is spot on so is my training and ive made great gains naturally. Oh and anybody know about accutane, is that hard on your body aswell? Ill post a before pic.

**Muscle4Life** · 12-01-2009, 08:34 PM

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**elpropiotorvic** · 12-01-2009, 09:16 PM

i personally think you should refrain from posting again anything in here...from my opinion this is what happened:

Newb that thinks he knows a lot but really doesnt (muscle4life) and is aware of his age: HI i know what im doing so shut up dont tell me anything I wanna compete I wanted it bad and im going to cycle,

US: WTF? IS he asking a question in a rudely manner or is he being a punkass or a troll or is he just a shit disturber that we dont need on this board.

you: I know a lot and u guys cant judge me cause I know a lot....

us: ok but we honestly dont give a damn if u wanna cycle and dont wanna hear opinions then why post in the first place.......

muscle4life not trying to be a jerk here..just saying u might just wanna post if u want an opinion and about what and what not....a simple introduction is: hi im new to this i have been lurking around and im involved with bodybuilding and eventually plan to compete is great to be here.

good luck with ur endeavor with all honesty...keep ur goals in ur mind,,,its very important in this life,... and hope to see u on a stage.... but just dont try to stir shit up...if u wanna post post remember that we are going to voice our opinions...if u dont want our opinions simply dont post....

good luck agian

**PO OFFICER** · 12-01-2009, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Muscle4Life

Hey people, i am now educating myself about anabolic 's. Looking to do a cycle sometime.

Hear me out first, if your going to bash me make sure you know what your talking about.

About me---- I am 19y/o training for slightly over 2 years now(your prob thinking omg heres another ignorant teen looking for an easy way out).

Stats from 2007-2009. height 5'8

Bodyweight--125lbs-195lbs
Arms-12 inches-16.8 inches, legs 21.5-26 inches,chest 40-46inches.

Lifts--Dead lift 185lbs-405lbs---Bench press 105lbs-295lbs- weighted dips at 100lbs, chins at 45lbs etc

Supplements--Whey protein, Weight Gainer, Super pump 250, Glutamine,
Tribulus, Multi Vitamins, Waxi maize(carbs). Don't tell me go correct your diet and educate yourself about training etc( not trying to be arrogant) Because my daily routines are made from a nutritionist/personal trainer/ former npc competitior. My intake is over 4000 cal a day, 350g of protein--essential oils etc.

I am dead serious about being a junior competitor, and i think the danger in steroids is exaggerated. I don't drink, quit smoking weed and other things.

Should I be in the clubs popping X, getting drunk and high of the green at the same time every weekend like all the other guys my age I call friends? Or is that safer for my liver and over all health?

Honestly tho im looking just to get SERIOUS about bodybuilding, honestly whats worse for my health being a party animal or an animal in the gym. Just hear me out, im looking to do a mild cycle( still doing research and will be doing it for a couple of months ) and anavar looks the best for my goals ( little sides, strength gains/size 5-10lbs)PCT aswell . Oh and i won't be getting any taller, MRI been done and my growth plates are fused.

Anybody who wants to help educate me further, be my guest and sorry for the loong asss post

Naw man, it wasn't long at all. Okay, so you're 19 and want to be serious about bodybuilding. I SUPPOSE I could help you (although I'll probably get flamed by bunches).

Here is what your cycle should look like. Since this is your first cycle it will have low dosages. (btw, anavar is a great steroid to start with).

Week 1-12 40mgs of anavar ED.

Here is your pct. If you don't know what a pct is, you really need to do ALOT of research.

Start 1-2 weeks after your last dose of anavar.
Clomid 100/50/50/50 ED Incase your wondering, slashes are weeks.
Nolvadex 40/50/50/50 ED

Goodluck, I really wish you the best. I did my first cycle at 15. I don't have any regrets, that's because I got lucky. A friend of mine did a low dosage cycle at 16 and now he's on testosterone shots for the rest of his life b/c his balls don't work rite