Liquidex and tamox...Left in car = Frozen

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 05:11 AM

Hey...I hate myself, I forgot my tamox and adex in the car and got them this morning frozen.. actually the tamox isnt for some reason, but the adex is.

My question..still good to go or good for trash? :S

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2009, 05:38 AM

The nolva is probably suspended in alcohol, which won't freeze easily. I'd guess that they're fine, since they aren't hormones, but chemicals.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 05:40 AM

Tx buddy, you know when your tight in your budget and got an accident like this...you feel like crap heh. It was 2 new bottles. Good to ear they prob are good to go.

**NixBoy1185** · 12-17-2009, 08:56 AM

Microwave them up for a min shake and drink

**tboney** · 12-17-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by NixBoy1185

Microwave them up for a min shake and drink

???? I would definately not do that!!

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 09:48 AM

lol :P

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 10:43 AM

The tamox didn't freeze because it has an alcohol base, dex is a water base. if the dex crashes he should replace it. The tamox should go back with a short stay in the microwave... maybe 20-30 sec or so in a large glass cup

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 10:47 AM

I left everything untouched, adex unfroze in couple of minutes and tamox was Ok. Ill skip on the microwave thing :P Woulnd bombard my stuff with microwaves and riskin it to boil hehh. Looks like everything is in place now, just hope the adex is intact..ill know when it come the time to use it I guess.

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 10:50 AM

The tamox didn't crash? There's not any thing floating around in it?

Mine crashes when it drops a couple of degrees.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 10:52 AM

Mm let me check this out, its the first time I got liquid tamox so Cant tell what it suppose to looks like

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 10:54 AM

Mmm ok yeh its not crystal clear, its like slush in there. For the adex, looks good, but still maybe 2,3 particles floating in.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 11:00 AM

So it means it crashed Toothache? Plz dont bs me to make me put this in the microwave lol.

**Subotai** · 12-17-2009, 11:05 AM

What temperature outside was it that caused this to happen?

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Shepard

So it means it crashed Toothache? Plz dont bs me to make me put this in the microwave lol.

Tamox and clomid should never be put in the fridge like other research chems because they will crash. If tamox and/or clomid do crash put in microwave but watch closely. No need to boil it. Heat it up a bit then shake or stir it.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 11:08 AM

Yeh, forgot it in my gym bag in my car. Low temperature here, winter season.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 11:13 AM

Can see there is some kind of depot on the bottom of the adex bottle, I scratched that out with a syringe..not looking good, just frustrating when you think you just threw out cash like that.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 11:22 AM

Ok I did it but guess what..15 sec started to boil, I stopped it right away, its now crystal clear. But its pretty hot, is it ****ed again? or is it good to go.

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 11:33 AM

Your tamox is back to normal...Congratulations!!!

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2009, 11:38 AM

Toothache, why are you so insistent that he microwave the stuff? There is no need to heat it! So what if it crashes? Oral suspensions work just fine. Oh, and a microwave is the absolute worse way to warm/heat gear, since you have no control over the temperature and you don't know what it is doing on a molecular level.

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 11:34 AM

Let it cool down before oral administration.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 11:34 AM

Lol tx man, I appreciate the help. So for you the adex is trash? Or could it be eat up too lol :P

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 11:44 AM

So what if it crashes??????? You need to measure accurately.

Because it works...that's why i'm insistent.

Oh yea and my tamox/clomid has crashed before and I contacted the research chem company and they told me to do exactly that.

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2009, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

So what if it crashes??????? You need to measure accurately.

Nevermind. See below VVV

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2009, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

So what if it crashes??????? You need to measure accurately.

Because it works...that's why i'm insistent.

Oh yea and my tamox/clomid has crashed before and I contacted the research chem company and they told me to do exactly that.

Just give it a shake before drawing. Problem solved.

And I would take the advice of a customer service guy at a research chem company...when hell freezes over. Chances are, he's some poor schmuck in India who has never even lifted a weight in his life, much less used AAS ancillaries. What makes you think they know the slightest thing about AAS, chemistry, or the products they sell? Customer service reps are only trained in ass-kissing and typing. Just like many online gear sources (re-sellers), they likely have little interest in what they are selling or how the products work. They might as well be selling potatoes. Case in point: I asked my powder source (who has been in the business for 16 years) if he could obtain 1-Test Cypionate and he replied that he had no idea what it was.
Sorry for the rant, but this trend has been bugging me for a while.

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 11:45 AM

I personally would still use the adex but that's up to you.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 11:46 AM

I contacted them too, I didnt get any answer so far but ill let you know when they get back to me.

**tballz** · 12-17-2009, 11:48 AM

Toothache is right. That's exactly how you do it with tamox and clomid. I've done it many a times.

Shepard did you get it from the arr store here?

**MaGiCJNG** · 12-17-2009, 11:52 AM

What exactly do you guys mean by crash? I just bought tamox, clomid and liquidex from arr and i keep it in my room at room temperature...maybe a little below cause its freezing out. Is this fine?

Still curious what crash means though.

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by MaGiCJNG

What exactly do you guys mean by crash? I just bought tamox, clomid and liquidex from arr and i keep it in my room at room temperature...maybe a little below cause its freezing out. Is this fine?

Still curious what crash means though.

Crash means when there is separation of chemical and solution. Room temperature should be fine. Your dex can be kept in the fridge.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by tballz

Toothache is right. That's exactly how you do it with tamox and clomid. I've done it many a times.

Shepard did you get it from the arr store here?

Yeh Its arr

**tballz** · 12-17-2009, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Shepard

Yeh Its arr

ARR is usually fast with email responses.

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 12:21 PM

I'm sure ARR does not outsource their customer service.

Your 'case in point' has nothing to do with anything.

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

I'm sure ARR does not outsource their customer service.

Your 'case in point' has nothing to do with anything.

I'm not certain that they do, but I don't see why they would pay American living wages when they could pay Indian ones (or any developing country).

And yes, it does. My point is that just because someone sells something (in this case AAS/ancillaries), it doesn't mean that they have any personal knowledge or interest in the product like we do. They're just middle-men out to buy and sell whatever is profitable.

**lifterjaydawg** · 12-17-2009, 12:36 PM

I agree with toothache, I have been told by customer service to heat the chems up before and it worked just fine, I had no problems with any of my chems after that.

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 12:51 PM

Well I trust the arr store they've been in business for quite a few years now. I'm sure it's not someone from India and I'm sure it's probably just one person answering emails. That would be funny as hell if they outsourced one indian to answer emails to save a few bucks.

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2009, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

Well I trust the arr store they've been in business for quite a few years now. I'm sure it's not someone from India and I'm sure it's probably just one person answering emails. That would be funny as hell if they outsourced one indian to answer emails to save a few bucks.

It wouldn't surprise me at all. Sure, they ship out of the US, but what is the difference between paying some American dude to sit in front of a computer all day vs paying some Indian guy to do the same? About a 10X increase in pay. That's all. Its such an easy job that you wouldn't have to meet face-to-face or anything.
There is nothing illegal or sketchy about it.

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 01:15 PM

ha...okay, i get what you are saying but I really doubt they do that.

I'm sure the Indian has all sorts of responses to cut and paste customers who have questions like what to do when tamox crashes.

Maybe they should outsource it then they can have 2 working round the clock for 24hr customer service.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 03:12 PM

No answer so far with ar , still im happy with the microwave results lol

**toothache** · 12-17-2009, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Shepard

No answer so far with ar , still im happy with the microwave results lol

They may not have gotten it...try emailing them again. I would.

**Shepard** · 12-17-2009, 06:04 PM

Got my answer, they told me just to shake it vigorously before taking it. I reply by asking if the microwave thing was allright, waiting for the answer.