test, deca, and winny good cycle?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

good for clean bulking and then hardening out at the end with winny? what do you guys think?

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5'9 1/2 190lbs
1 past cycle test-e only

[bjpennnn]

doses?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

500 test-e, 400 deca , and im not sure how much winny

[hankdiesel]

Forget the winny....you're either bulking or cutting. I've done what you're speaking of and it was a waste of winny.

[AstheticKing]

not good cycle, drop the deca and do drol or dianabol ,, replace winny with 1,000 mgs of primo or a moderate dose of masteron imho

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Forget the winny....you're either bulking or cutting. I've done what you're speaking of and it was a waste of winny.

for real? this cycle was suggested to me by a friend of mine who is 39 and has competed in bodybuilding shows over the last 15 years. his pics are on muscular development's website. even if its a strict clean bulk it was a waste of winny for you?

[Ashop]

good for clean bulking and then hardening out at the end with winny? what do you guys think?

24
5'9 1/2 190lbs
1 past cycle test-e only

You may want to switch it up just a little.
TEST PROP/WINSTROL /NPP

[AlphaMaleDawg]

You may want to switch it up just a little.
TEST PROP/WINSTROL/NPP

would the winny cancel out the bloating i would get from test-e and deca or would it be necessary to use prop and npp in order to avoid the bloat?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

bump

[glover]

Yes the Winny does help some on the bloating. Might depend on how you react to it.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Test/Deca /Winstrol is fine for a 2nd cycle. I would backload the winny leading up to the PCT.

Alternatively, if you aren't a p*ssy!! lol you could run a short ester cycle

Prop/NPP/Winstrol.

You could even replace the winny w/ masteron or anavar IMO.

Someone else already mentioned primo, but it's quite expensive, and unfortunately has to be run at quite a high dosage..

Don't rely on winny to control bloat; utilize an AI if necessary.

Relying on winstrol for that purpose is similar to people who rely on proviron for it's anti-E "properties".

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Test/Deca /Winstrol is fine for a 2nd cycle. I would backload the winny leading up to the PCT.

Alternatively, if you aren't a p*ssy!! lol you could run a short ester cycle

Prop/NPP/Winstrol.

You could even replace the winny w/ masteron or anavar IMO.

Someone else already mentioned primo, but it's quite expensive, and unfortunately has to be run at quite a high dosage..

Don't rely on winny to control bloat; utilize an AI if necessary.

Relying on winstrol for that purpose is similar to people who rely on proviron for it's anti-E "properties".

think i should do anavar or primo instead of winny? which would you do?

I am not opposed to a short esther cycle. When would pct start for a short esthered cycle like the one you proposed? i would assume not after 14 days like with the longer esthers.

[Vitruvian-Man]

think i should do anavar or primo instead of winny? which would you do?

I am not opposed to a short esther cycle. When would pct start for a short esthered cycle like the one you proposed? i would assume not after 14 days like with the longer esthers.

Mmmm... it really depends bro. I love your stack so far. Test + 19-nor + DHT derivative = the best cycle! lol.

Basically if you're going to run primo I would make it a long ester cycle:

Test-E (weeks 1 - 14)
Deca (weeks 1 - 12)
Primo (weeks 1 - 13) @ 800mg EW

I really believe primo has to be run at a very high dosage to see quality results (which is why a lot of people opt to use masteron @ a lower dosage for similar results.)

IMO, if you are ready for the injections, I would go w/

Prop (weeks 1 - 10)
NPP (weeks 1 - 9)
Anavar (weeks 5 - 10) @ 100mg ED

^^ I find that running var @ a high dosage actually has similar cutting / hardening effects to tren .

For this cycle the PCT would start 3 days after last injection of prop.

[topshelf75]

I've done it and liked it. Test and deca put on the size and strength I was looking for, then the winny hardened everything up and added vascularity.

[The Deuce]

That is definitely one of the better beginner style cycles : TEST + 19-Nor + DHT = Perfect .. Everyone has their own opinions but I think.. you would be a lot happier with results if you went the short ester route

TestP + NPP + Inj Winny = Awesomeness... You can run the winny for 6 weeks.. so you run this for 10 weeks right.. stopping the NPP in week 9.. The first 4 weeks you can use dependent on your goals but if you are all for size to lean mass start with a 4 week slam of the DROL (This will add quick size and strength.. then the next 6 weeks you would focus on solidfying the gains.. and making everything fall into place. NOW... This is all diet dependent so if you know what you are doing in that aspect you can make everything work MINT for you.. IF you don't head over to the diet sub-forum on the board ... Good luck.. AND HAPPY GROWING !!

-The D

[AlphaMaleDawg]

That is definitely one of the better beginner style cycles : TEST + 19-Nor + DHT = Perfect .. Everyone has their own opinions but I think.. you would be a lot happier with results if you went the short ester route

TestP + NPP + Inj Winny = Awesomeness... You can run the winny for 6 weeks.. so you run this for 10 weeks right.. stopping the NPP in week 9.. The first 4 weeks you can use dependent on your goals but if you are all for size to lean mass start with a 4 week slam of the DROL (This will add quick size and strength.. then the next 6 weeks you would focus on solidfying the gains.. and making everything fall into place. NOW... This is all diet dependent so if you know what you are doing in that aspect you can make everything work MINT for you.. IF you don't head over to the diet sub-forum on the board ... Good luck.. AND HAPPY GROWING !!

-The D

thanks deuce but I think I am leaning toward going with test-e, deca , and anavar instead of winny. I already have var and test-e on hand and am not ready for all the excess pinning quite yet.

likely doing
test-e 500mg week 1-10
deca 400mg week 1-9
anavar 80mg week 5-10

Should I take arimidex or aromasin to combat water retention towards the end? I want to finish up with extra bulk but also would like to look shredded (I am already pretty lean so I feel like I can accomplish it). I would likely go 500 calories over maintenance and maybe cut back the last week or so.

[Vitruvian-Man]

thanks deuce but I think I am leaning toward going with test-e, deca , and anavar instead of winny. I already have var and test-e on hand and am not ready for all the excess pinning quite yet.

likely doing
test-e 500mg week 1-14
deca 400mg week 1-12
anavar 80mg week 11-16

Should I take arimidex or aromasin to combat water retention towards the end? I want to finish up with extra bulk but also would like to look shredded (I am already pretty lean so I feel like I can accomplish it). I would likely go 500 calories over maintenance and maybe cut back the last week or so.

^^ I changed your cycle. Trust me on this one. People who run deca for less then 10 weeks do it a complete injustice. It has a VERY long ester attached to it, and therefore should be run for quite a long time to maximize results.

That's the only thing I would alter. Otherwise the cycle looks great. Var @ 80mg ED is awesome. Good luck / Happy Holidays!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

^^ I changed your cycle. Trust me on this one. People who run deca for less then 10 weeks do it a complete injustice. It has a VERY long ester attached to it, and therefore should be run for quite a long time to maximize results.

That's the only thing I would alter. Otherwise the cycle looks great. Var @ 80mg ED is awesome. Good luck / Happy Holidays!

thanks bro happy new years to you too!!! the longest I could prob get away with is 12 weeks unfortunately because I will be going on a vacation mid april and wont be able to pin. I could bring the anavar with me though. Which AI do you recommend I use and when should I incorporate it in and at what dose?

[chuckt12345]

test/deca /winny is a great cycle

[Vitruvian-Man]

thanks bro happy new years to you too!!! the longest I could prob get away with is 12 weeks unfortunately because I will be going on a vacation mid april and wont be able to pin. I could bring the anavar with me though. Which AI do you recommend I use and when should I incorporate it in and at what dose?

Mmmm... k well honestly I wouldn't use an AI unless you're gyno prone. If you're 0.25mg EOD should be suffice IMO. (weeks 1 - 12)

Keep some bromo on hand if prolactin sides should arise. 1.25mg x 2 per day if necessary. (but do not use a dopamine-agonist unless your progesterone levels are highly elevated / causing prolactin-related gyno.

Alright, well time to hit the library. Peace bro.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Mmmm... k well honestly I wouldn't use an AI unless you're gyno prone. If you're 0.25mg EOD should be suffice IMO. (weeks 1 - 12)

Keep some bromo on hand if prolactin sides should arise. 1.25mg x 2 per day if necessary. (but do not use a dopamine-agonist unless your progesterone levels are highly elevated / causing prolactin-related gyno.

Alright, well time to hit the library. Peace bro.

I am not gyno prone thank god. I would only use it to cut out excess water retention so I can have a shredded look for a vacation i will be on mid-april. i know the var helps with that but if I feel like I still need to cut some more water out, I would use the AI for that purpose

[Reed]

Don't forget the shredded look is more about the diet than anything!!! You dial in your training, cardio, and diet you could shed some unwanted fat while gaining muscle. Depends on how dedicated you are

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Don't forget the shredded look is more about the diet than anything!!! You dial in your training, cardio, and diet you could shed some unwanted fat while gaining muscle. Depends on how dedicated you are

yes sir I am well aware of this, which is why I will make sure my diet is on point. I am probably going 500 calories over maintenance (unless you suggest otherwise) and will try to do cardio 3 times a week (probably treadmill at 3.5mph and 9.0 incline for 30 minutes, unless you suggest otherwise). I will probably go with 2g of carbs per pound of bodyweight, 1.5g protein per pound, and .5g of fat per pound.

What do you think? Good or should I make some changes?

[bmit]

Have done that cycle. Wasted my money on the winny i felt. Now winny and fina on a cutting cycle...... well that's a whole different story.