PRIMO and MASS BUILDING SCENARIO and DISCUSSION

[The Deuce]

Ok,

So I am battling in my head on my assault.. on MASS BUILDING.

Currently running NPP and Sust and some DBOL ....

That is gonna get me into a good mass kick with the diet I am on..

I have that under control right now.. it's weird because I never need to ask these kind of questions anymore..

But, I am just wondering HOW MANY OF YOU UTILIZE PRIMO as a BULKER. For adding MASS..


I am thinking 600mgs per week for 10 weeks. Obviously Coupled with Test Enanthate . And for the Oral.. I am thinking probably Anadrol .. just because it has been so damn long since I did utilize it.

As everyone should know. It's not the compounds you use that determine what happens in a cycle.. it's a diet + training regimen that will determine the outcome..

But what I am thinking is that Primo has always been my favorite compound.. always. But I have always used it in a cutting cycle. And never in a bulker. And since I would have just finished up using a 19-nor (NPP) so I am not going to jump on DECA next run to get some MASS going.. and TREN is my fave but I am not ready to slam another 19-nor after just finishing up with one..

So right now my options are kind of limited... I am liking this idea of Primo in my Bulker, I am liking it.

It would look something similar to this...

1-10 Primo 600 per week
1-2 Anadrol 50mgs per day
3-4 Anadrol 100mgs per day
5-6 Anadrol 150mgs per day
1-10 Test E (Un-determined-I'll figure it out when the time comes)


So if you guys think PRIMO is a bad idea.. what other options do you think are on my table??

I want something that will add Mass.

I want something that you guys think will aid in my mass building.


So options guys?? Let's have a discussion..

[The Deuce]

Yah You are DAMN right I am bumpin' my thread !!

[stevey_6t9]

not until you show me more pics of your new horny gf

[ranging1]

lol man id hit the tren

just becuase it think its the best compound around other then test lol


i also think drol kicks dbols ass, just becuase i love the strength gains

but why are u pyrimiding the drol dosage? id just hti drol at 100mg everyday

or id run drol for 8-10 weeks at 50mg everyday, and just frontload the test

asmuch as primo is great, it really is a cuttin steroid like winstrol , that extra mass u get off primo isnt going to be noticable

[dec11]

lol man id hit the tren

just becuase it think its the best compound around other then test lol


i also think drol kicks dbols ass, just becuase i love the strength gains

but why are u pyrimiding the drol dosage? id just hti drol at 100mg everyday

or id run drol for 8-10 weeks at 50mg everyday, and just frontload the test

asmuch as primo is great, it really is a cuttin steroid like winstrol , that extra mass u get off primo isnt going to be noticable

isnt this diet dependant?

[marcus300]

Primo can be effective in cutting cycles but for bulking cycle it isn't recommended, sure diet can control any kind of gains but primo is very weak and when your coupling it within a mass cycle there are far better compounds out there what will do the job alot better, primo isn't going to come near IMHO.

[The Deuce]

Primo can be effective in cutting cycles but for bulking cycle it isn't recommended, sure diet can control any kind of gains but primo is very weak and when your coupling it within a mass cycle there are far better compounds out there what will do the job alot better, primo isn't going to come near IMHO.

Fair enough Marcus.. ok well in this instance. What would you personally recommend for a mass building compound aside from PRIMO.

[Mooseman33]

Deuce-

i just want to say "Thank You".

this is the first posts i have ever seen of urs without all the caps. it was much easier to read.
keep it up..

[The Deuce]

lol man id hit the tren

I love Trenbolone bro, I really do.. and odds are I will end up going with Tren, BUT if I do it will be a double 19-nor stack TREN/NPP (I dont have to worry about shutdown and recovery.. already permanently shutdown and can not recover-- HRT for life)

just becuase it think its the best compound around other then test lol

You are 100% correct.. lol


i also think drol kicks dbols ass, just becuase i love the strength gains

Yes you are right here.. but the good and the bad.. with drol I get super strong, gain super size and don't bloat as much.. BUT I get ridiculous headaches* and my appetite decrease so I have to force myself to consume the food unless {SEE BELOW} [*Non BP issue related], Dbol.. I get more of the bloat feeling but, zero headaches, I can eat and eat and eat.. but I don't get as strong, and not as much size as Drol.. so it's always a toss up on what to do.. eventually down the road I want to do a 6 week blast cycle of Test Prop + Test Susension + Drol + Dbol = 6 total weeks..

but why are u pyrimiding the drol dosage? id just hti drol at 100mg everydayI pyramid to avoid any headaches and it doesn't have the feeling of the decrease in appetite .. this is why I pyramid DROL

or id run drol for 8-10 weeks at 50mg everyday, and just frontload the testAt 50mgs I don't really get that much out of it.. and I run HG Anadrol (anapolon's)-- hence why I Pyramid so I can utilize the compound to it's fullest without hitting any negative sides to it.. see what I am saying bro?

asmuch as primo is great, it really is a cuttin steroid like winstrol , that extra mass u get off primo isnt going to be noticable

I think that is the overall consensus... so I'll just save these schering's for a cutter...

BOLDS brother man.. BOLDS

[The Deuce]

Deuce-

i just want to say "Thank You".

this is the first posts i have ever seen of urs without all the caps. it was much easier to read.
keep it up..

I am trying man, I am trying. Hard habit to break... lol.

[ranging1]

isnt this diet dependant?

i think thats in any case for any steroid , im just comparing to other steroids effects

Deuce-

i just want to say "Thank You".

this is the first posts i have ever seen of urs without all the caps. it was much easier to read.
keep it up..

LMFAO AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH AGREE, this is a rare site

BOLDS brother man.. BOLDS

f.e man, id say just go with whatever your comfortable with

if you dont feel like adding a 19-nor thats fine since it is your body lol

understand the drol pyrimiding then, i wouldnt go as high as 150mg drol though, u did say i can tend to suppress ur appetite, and at 150mg i think ulll be most likely to get issues with appetite then

i wouldnt go over 100mg IMO, if you wanted to go i higher dosage on orals i would add dbol with your drol

alot of people say it bad to mix 2 orals, but at same time both compounds have the exact same modification to surpass the liver, so end of the day ur liver is going through the same stress if you use 100mg drol with 20mg dbol, as it would with 150mg drol anyways

if your looking to add more steroids in i would just up your test dosage instead

e.g i would just run drol, with a good dosage of test

and IF you feel like adding the 19-nor id add the tren

personaly i think test/tren/drol would make a VERY effective bulk stack, if your not to prone to side effects from either of them

what test dosage you thinking on running anyways?

[NVR2BIG1]

Primo would be a great addition to a mass cycle. The gains from primo are very well kept, and your running it alongside drol and test e, there isn't much else your going to run with the 2 of those thats going to make ALL THAT MUCH of a difference. Think about it, your days of picking up 30 lbs on a cycle are probably over if you've cycled that much.

[The Deuce]

Ranging1- Test Dose will be approx. 1.8g's per week.. Multi-Ester slam

and yes NVR2BIG1 ... The days of 30lb cycle gains are long long long gone.. hahaha... in fact the most i ever gained from a cycle was 22lbs.. and that was my very first "REAL" Cycle..

See that's what I was thinking.. I am going to leave the PRIMO for a cutter..

I am going to keep going with NPP and then.. switch it to a NPP/TREN /MAST/TEST/DROL slam.. the addition for the mast is for no other reason besides the fact i like the way it boosts my sex drive on a double 19-nor.. plus keeps all estro sides to a minimum with no bloat... and MAST for some reason gives me kick ass strength gains...

Should be an interesting run..

I'll be cycle logging it for sure... as of course.. the final 3 weeks of the cycle will include Methyl Test or Methyl Tren.. haven't decided which.. but I love them both.. and I feel like superman on them..

It will be a multi ester test blend.. Sust(1300mgs EW) + Enan(250mgs) + Suspension(50mgs ED) ... then NPP/TREN(75mg of each ED) combo .. and a Drostanolone Blend.. 150mgs of the Enan and 50mgs of the Prop (300mgs EOD) .. and I think I am going to go with your thoughts on the ANADROL Ranging.. and only hit 100mgs ED.. No need to go too crazy especially with the other doses...


Look I know a lot of u are going to see this and FLAME me.. and say I am an idiot.. please just save it. OK. I run my doses the way I want to.. and that's that. I appreciate all advice I do... and I am open to debate and all this but. when it comes down to it. It's my body. Let me do what i want with it. Ok? I know what it can and can't handle better than anyone else out there. You won't ever see me flame another persons cycle unless it's a Multi-oral only cycle or.. a DECA /TREN only cycle.. So please I am asking nicely. Don't flame mine. I wasn't even going to post the doses of it but trust me when I say I will be feed my body the proper nutrients. I will be Training 6 days per week one week, and 4 days a week the next... I have an alternating strength vs. bodybuilding program going.. Look I know what I am doing. I just want opinions on the whole PRIMO and Bulking issue.. that's all.

So be nice to me, and don't flame me on my choices and I promise I will show you the same respect in return. You know I love all you guys right??

Dosing is subject to change btw.

[ranging1]

Ranging1- Test Dose will be approx. 1.8g's per week.. Multi-Ester slam

and yes NVR2BIG1 ... The days of 30lb cycle gains are long long long gone.. hahaha... in fact the most i ever gained from a cycle was 22lbs.. and that was my very first "REAL" Cycle..

See that's what I was thinking.. I am going to leave the PRIMO for a cutter..

I am going to keep going with NPP and then.. switch it to a NPP/TREN /MAST/TEST/DROL slam.. the addition for the mast is for no other reason besides the fact i like the way it boosts my sex drive on a double 19-nor.. plus keeps all estro sides to a minimum with no bloat... and MAST for some reason gives me kick ass strength gains...

Should be an interesting run..

I'll be cycle logging it for sure... as of course.. the final 3 weeks of the cycle will include Methyl Test or Methyl Tren.. haven't decided which.. but I love them both.. and I feel like superman on them..

It will be a multi ester test blend.. Sust(1300mgs EW) + Enan(250mgs) + Suspension(50mgs ED) ... then NPP/TREN(75mg of each ED) combo .. and a Drostanolone Blend.. 150mgs of the Enan and 50mgs of the Prop (300mgs EOD) .. and I think I am going to go with your thoughts on the ANADROL Ranging.. and only hit 100mgs ED.. No need to go too crazy especially with the other doses...


Look I know a lot of u are going to see this and FLAME me.. and say I am an idiot.. please just save it. OK. I run my doses the way I want to.. and that's that. I appreciate all advice I do... and I am open to debate and all this but. when it comes down to it. It's my body. Let me do what i want with it. Ok? I know what it can and can't handle better than anyone else out there. You won't ever see me flame another persons cycle unless it's a Multi-oral only cycle or.. a DECA /TREN only cycle.. So please I am asking nicely. Don't flame mine. I wasn't even going to post the doses of it but trust me when I say I will be feed my body the proper nutrients. I will be Training 6 days per week one week, and 4 days a week the next... I have an alternating strength vs. bodybuilding program going.. Look I know what I am doing. I just want opinions on the whole PRIMO and Bulking issue.. that's all.

So be nice to me, and don't flame me on my choices and I promise I will show you the same respect in return. You know I love all you guys right??

Dosing is subject to change btw.

lol so whats ur TOTAL cycle plan looking like atm? so we cna asses it better coz atm i can see ur dosing protocol but not exactly ur plans on how to run them

also when u planning on starting it? and what are u running atm?

good to see ur going with 100mg drol

wow man 1.8 grams test, hate to be you when the sex drives peaks lol, id be humping my computer screen all night watching porn on that type of dosage lol

have to ask ur plans on any A.Is or SERMs while on this cycle?

btw from ur previous post i can tell u tried not to use CAPS lol

[darkcrayz]

why no tren ? you will get wicked strength gains from that.

[ranging1]

why no tren? you will get wicked strength gains from that.

read the whole thread ull see he might be using tren with NPP at 75mg everday

[The Deuce]

lol so whats ur TOTAL cycle plan looking like atm? so we cna asses it better coz atm i can see ur dosing protocol but not exactly ur plans on how to run them

also when u planning on starting it? and what are u running atm?

good to see ur going with 100mg drol

wow man 1.8 grams test, hate to be you when the sex drives peaks lol, id be humping my computer screen all night watching porn on that type of dosage lol

have to ask ur plans on any A.Is or SERMs while on this cycle?

btw from ur previous post i can tell u tried not to use CAPS lol

Ok, at the current moment I am running 975mgs of Sust, 280mgs of Dbol , and 525mgs of NPP per week, currently (oh and 350mgs of Proviron weekly)

Ok.. basically for some reason my body either doesn't like Test or fights it off or something.. because I am prescribed 400mgs of Cypionate every week as a baseline HRT dosage. *My Endo doesn't know why it takes this much to get a Total Test level of 834ng/ml but it does...* So with that being said. I don't gain like you normally would off of typical cycle doses.. I had my Blood tested for total test on 2g's per week to get a better assessment.. and it was 2761ng/ml(for those that don't know that's just a little bit above or below the standard for a good slamming cycle.. usually 2500-3100ng/ml of Total Test is what you should be aiming for)

So moving on... Upon completion of what I am running at the moment.. I will start a cycle that is as follows..

1-10 Sust - 1300mgs EW (Split in EOD shots)
1-10 Enan - 250mgs EW 125mgs E3D
1-10 Susp - 350mgs EW (50mgs Pre-workout injects-experimental)
1-10 NPP - 525mgs EW (75mgs ED)
3-10 TrenA- 525mgs EW (75mgs ED) - Transverse 8 wk run
1-10 MastBlend(Enan + Prop) - 300mgs EOD **
1+2 Adrol - 50mgs ED (25mgs twice daily)
3-6 Adrol- 100mgs ED (50mgs twice daily
-1-10 Caber - 500mcgs E3D -- I will start this (as i always do) 1 week before a 19-nor

Also I will be running an IGF Protocol with 25mcgs injected Bi-Laterally on workout days (50mcgs per day) = 250mcgs EW

**= This will not be used as more of kick up of the sex drive when running the double 19-nor .. not to mention reduction of any Estro sides

That's at the moment. Of course it is subject to change. It's been forever since I did a Tren /Npp cycle, the test is at a level that will institute growth in my body(for whatever reason it needs that much).. Really The only thing I see as I look at it is taking the suspension out of the Equation smf just jumping the Enanthate dossge to 500mgs EW instead of the suspension.. which will drop the Test by 100mgs EW, but oh well.

I won't need any A.I.'s -- i never bloat uncontrollably but as a precaution that's why I am sticking that MAST in there. Cabergoline is a necessity always has been always will be.

[Mooseman33]

Ok, at the current moment I am running 975mgs of Sust, 280mgs of Dbol , and 525mgs of NPP per week, currently (oh and 350mgs of Proviron weekly)

Ok.. basically for some reason my body either doesn't like Test or fights it off or something.. because I am prescribed 400mgs of Cypionate every week as a baseline HRT dosage. *My Endo doesn't know why it takes this much to get a Total Test level of 834ng/ml but it does...* So with that being said. I don't gain like you normally would off of typical cycle doses.. I had my Blood tested for total test on 2g's per week to get a better assessment.. and it was 2761ng/ml(for those that don't know that's just a little bit above or below the standard for a good slamming cycle.. usually 2500-3100ng/ml of Total Test is what you should be aiming for)

So moving on... Upon completion of what I am running at the moment.. I will start a cycle that is as follows..

1-10 Sust - 1300mgs EW (Split in EOD shots)
1-10 Enan - 250mgs EW 125mgs E3D
1-10 Susp - 350mgs EW (50mgs Pre-workout injects-experimental)
1-10 NPP - 525mgs EW (75mgs ED)
3-10 TrenA- 525mgs EW (75mgs ED) - Transverse 8 wk run
1-10 MastBlend(Enan + Prop) - 300mgs EOD **
1+2 Adrol - 50mgs ED (25mgs twice daily)
3-6 Adrol- 100mgs ED (50mgs twice daily
-1-10 Caber - 500mcgs E3D -- I will start this (as i always do) 1 week before a 19-nor

Also I will be running an IGF Protocol with 25mcgs injected Bi-Laterally on workout days (50mcgs per day) = 250mcgs EW

**= This will not be used as more of kick up of the sex drive when running the double 19-nor .. not to mention reduction of any Estro sides

That's at the moment. Of course it is subject to change. It's been forever since I did a Tren /Npp cycle, the test is at a level that will institute growth in my body(for whatever reason it needs that much).. Really The only thing I see as I look at it is taking the suspension out of the Equation smf just jumping the Enanthate dossge to 500mgs EW instead of the suspension.. which will drop the Test by 100mgs EW, but oh well.

I won't need any A.I.'s -- i never bloat uncontrollably but as a precaution that's why I am sticking that MAST in there. Cabergoline is a necessity always has been always will be.

Dammit man, that is the highest HRT dose i have ever seen..
even ur prescriptions are extreme deuce..

[The Deuce]

I can't help it Mooseman.. there is something up with my body.. i don't know if it is because of my prior AAS usage which caused me to have a tolerance to Testosterone or what.. trust me I am not happy about it.. Now It Costs Me More to achieve results .. Instead of something lasting me like 4 or 5 weeks it lasts maybe 2... Ugh... Whatever it takes to become a MASS MONSTER I don't care..


IT'S ON !!

[gymnerd]

Primo is a good choice for a bulker if you are trying to avoid the sides from other harsher compounds IMO.

[NVR2BIG1]

Well I'm not flaming anyone on dosages, because its all relative really. Thats the one thing that often pisses me off about peoples reply's. You could tell them your running 800 mg/wk of test and they're asking you why its so high, yet they have no info on past cycle experience or your stats. Shit man, I'm just jealous b/ I caould never afford that sort of cycle, hahaha

[The Deuce]

Hahaha, yah I hear ya bro.. trust me.. I wish I didn't have to Afford it... but yah sure I could piddlyshit around and run like 1000-1200mgs per week for 12 weeks.. and gain 5lbs, or I can do the cycle I labeled up there and gain 15lbs.. to me it's worth it... to someone else.. the flame me or call me a retard or say I'm the reason why steroids have a bad name... I don't really care.

My response.

My Life, My Choice, My Body, My Opinion You have no say.

[ranging1]

Ok, at the current moment I am running 975mgs of Sust, 280mgs of Dbol , and 525mgs of NPP per week, currently (oh and 350mgs of Proviron weekly)

Ok.. basically for some reason my body either doesn't like Test or fights it off or something.. because I am prescribed 400mgs of Cypionate every week as a baseline HRT dosage. *My Endo doesn't know why it takes this much to get a Total Test level of 834ng/ml but it does...* So with that being said. I don't gain like you normally would off of typical cycle doses.. I had my Blood tested for total test on 2g's per week to get a better assessment.. and it was 2761ng/ml(for those that don't know that's just a little bit above or below the standard for a good slamming cycle.. usually 2500-3100ng/ml of Total Test is what you should be aiming for)

So moving on... Upon completion of what I am running at the moment.. I will start a cycle that is as follows..

1-10 Sust - 1300mgs EW (Split in EOD shots)
1-10 Enan - 250mgs EW 125mgs E3D
1-10 Susp - 350mgs EW (50mgs Pre-workout injects-experimental)
1-10 NPP - 525mgs EW (75mgs ED)
3-10 TrenA- 525mgs EW (75mgs ED) - Transverse 8 wk run
1-10 MastBlend(Enan + Prop) - 300mgs EOD **
1+2 Adrol - 50mgs ED (25mgs twice daily)
3-6 Adrol- 100mgs ED (50mgs twice daily
-1-10 Caber - 500mcgs E3D -- I will start this (as i always do) 1 week before a 19-nor

Also I will be running an IGF Protocol with 25mcgs injected Bi-Laterally on workout days (50mcgs per day) = 250mcgs EW

**= This will not be used as more of kick up of the sex drive when running the double 19-nor .. not to mention reduction of any Estro sides

That's at the moment. Of course it is subject to change. It's been forever since I did a Tren /Npp cycle, the test is at a level that will institute growth in my body(for whatever reason it needs that much).. Really The only thing I see as I look at it is taking the suspension out of the Equation smf just jumping the Enanthate dossge to 500mgs EW instead of the suspension.. which will drop the Test by 100mgs EW, but oh well.

I won't need any A.I.'s -- i never bloat uncontrollably but as a precaution that's why I am sticking that MAST in there. Cabergoline is a necessity always has been always will be.

okay f.e, for idea how about once uve finished ur current cycle u cruise on ur normal HRT dosage for 6-8 weeks, similar to a bridge, just becuase after you come out of this cycle ur recptors, SHGB, insulin resitance aswell as ur body being use to a higher calorie diet is going to make gaining alot harder since it has adapted in many ways to combat the large amount of steroid usage

if u were to cruise for awhile on ur HRT dosage it would bring down alot of your tolerance to steroids , rather then u jumping from one HEAVY cycle to another

obviously it takes more steroids for ur body to respond, but jumping from what ur on now to the cycle u proposed isnt the best idea since ur bodys already getting use to the large amount of gear ur on, so ur not going to egt much bang out of ur gear like u should

also to ur propsed cycle, have u considering maybe increasing ur tren dosage slightly, and dropping ur NPP slightly, just becuase IMO id side with tren more then NPP if i was trying to gain more strength and size, i think NPP of 400mg and tren at 600mg might yeild nicer results, i perosnaly would use NPP more for its benefits on your joints while cycling and lifting those heavy ass weights

i see ur suspension experiment but IMO i think it will prob be a waste since its active life is short, and itll probably only help prevent muscle breakdown during ur workouts, alwise from a muscl ebuilding point of view its active life wont do much to help out

plus its just plain inconvenient, ur goign to be jabbing alot anyways, why add in another 7 jabs? plus im pretty sure suspension would be the most painful thing to inject, since IMO propionate already gives a good sting

Well I'm not flaming anyone on dosages, because its all relative really. Thats the one thing that often pisses me off about peoples reply's. You could tell them your running 800 mg/wk of test and they're asking you why its so high, yet they have no info on past cycle experience or your stats. Shit man, I'm just jealous b/ I caould never afford that sort of cycle, hahaha

lol im already aware of dueces cycle protocols n experiences since ive seen his posts and threads several times