Questions about collagen synthesis and related Gear

[tappeast]

A quote from another thread has me confused. I'm new and learning, so answers and opinions are appreciated. I BOLDED my issues with this quote.

I am interested in what gear out there will take a toll on my tendons and possibly make them stronger during cycle and what gear will adversly affect my tendons and cause them to become weaker.

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While injecting test increases Protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
tendons tear easily on it.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol . Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of anabolic steroids which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
deca -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - ,Equipoise , anavar , and primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use anabolic steroids like sus, testosterone cypionate , or testosterone enanthate .

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase Joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - anavar or primobolan - methenolone - as the base of your cycle. testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - anavar and primobolan - methenolone - will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week (about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate is a very good drug at giving you everything you want, an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180%, less than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340%, slightly better than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies doenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other anabolic steroids, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:
deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate : 15 days Equipoise: 14 days primobolan: 10.5 days
anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, human growth hormone - somatropin - at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - primobolan - methenolone - anavar and deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - are all good, they increase several biomakers of collagen syn, ie type III, II, I, procollagen markers. gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain anabolic steroids, the decision is up to you.

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So, this seems contradictory to me, or what am I not understanding......Winstrol/Test increases collagen synthesis, but it WEAKENS you tendons....while Deca, VAR, Primo etc.... increase collagen synthesis but STRENGTHEN AND REPAIR tendons...help please i dont understand.

Also, how much of the tendons strength will I retain after cycle and PCT?

[Bossman]

If you're worried about your connective tissue, run deca on cycle.

I have a friend that tore 3 upper pec tendons from the bone while incline benching 495. The surgeon told him that if he would have been running deca, he may not have suffered this injury. The surgeon told him to always run deca on cycle. He ran a maintenance dose of test/deca throughout his rehab and you would not know that he had ever had an injury now.

[tappeast]

good info! these are the answers/opinions I would like to hear....thanks

[sportf190]

did ur friend get the surgery? how long did it take him to recover from a test/deca dosage.. im in thesame boat pretty sure my left pec is torn i have the indent but no brusing, it seems surgery is my only option

[Bossman]

did ur friend get the surgery? how long did it take him to recover from a test/deca dosage.. im in thesame boat pretty sure my left pec is torn i have the indent but no brusing, it seems surgery is my only option

He had the surgery about 10 days after the tear. Is was not the pec muscle, it was the tendons pulled from the bone. They told him at first 1 year recovery. Then the 2-weeks later they told him 6 months recovery. At 2 months after surgery they told him the tendons were healed an he could start lifting again, with no more then 10lbs increase in bench per week.

He ran a small dose test/deca from surgery on. The surgeon said she never saw such a quick recovery.

[Kdub]

Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol , to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically.
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Ben Johnson used Winstrol Depot. He could bench 400 lbs and squat 600 lbs at a bodyweight of 175 lbs and ran the 100m in 9.79.

I would say it makes some people VERY STRONG.

The one thing he and the other Canadian sprinters using Winstrol did complain about was a tightness and stiffness with their muscles. This forced them to take extra long to warm up before lifting or sprinting.

[BJJ]

Interesting read.

[stevey_6t9]

this makes me scared