First Cycle Want Feedback

**boxin23** · 02-10-2010, 12:11 AM

How's it going everyone...im new on this forum..and new to AAS.
I have done a lot of research and reading here and now that i have my gear
im ready for some feedback and thoughts. Here is my first cycle and stats'.

Weeks 1-12 test e 250 wk 2x week
weeks 1-6 tren a 250 wk 2x week (taken with the test e)
Months 1-6 HGH somotropin 3.3 ius daily
weeks 6-12 winstrol or primo...i have both not sure which yet

pct im going to run 1/2 the test for another 2 weeks and going to run nolvadex .

im 5'7 and weigh 142 right now. Just started my first injections today.
i used to box and powerlift competitively. (state record in high school on bench 245 @ only 122lbs....not bad for little guy...still holds in my state...not bragging just proud)

My diet is pretty dialed in...i eat really well...although my cal intake is only 3700 cals a day...it is quality and i dont weigh squat so...the 3700 ive been doing for 2 months is 2x what i normally intake...

Any comments...or questions would be great...just so you know i got the pct from a well known competitor who swears that his favorite pct is slowly weaning off the test....well he is a pro and im a novice...so i may need some input there...also he originally wanted me to stack hgh,test,tren,win..my first cycle....i was like thats way too much after doing the research...plus it sounded like a cutting cycle...i really want to get 25 lbs of gain and cut with the winny or primo the last 6 weeks to end up with 15-20lbs...am i thinking clearly here?? Any answers are appreciated.

**amcon** · 02-10-2010, 12:18 AM

yep to much stuff your taking... just do the test for 12 weeks then reevaluate what it did for you then you can add in the other stuff...

at 142 and 5 foot 7 your on the light side... i would start thinking diet is something you need to research and even though you think you have a good diet healthy and such it need to be "good" for gaining muscle.

tren is a no no no no no no for any new bees - research tren and find out why

adding the other winny and primo should wait till the next cycle to see what the test does for you

we also need all you stats

bf%
age
years lifting
cycle experence(you said it was your first)
and do you have any recent blood tests showing you test level?

**boxin23** · 02-10-2010, 01:07 AM

amcon thanks for the input...i kinda thought this is the feedback i would get...too much too soon....

im 36
bf >10 im lean...on the small side but have good strength

was in gym regularly when younger..out for long time...back in now for only 4 months...but i trained for boxing and integrated lifting into it...it was always important for me to be light in order to compete...125lb when really leaned up...not any more...but still really thin..

Ive already started the tren ...1st week...
Ive researched it...lots of sides....
no blood work on the test...i know stupid..i got impatient and wanted to start..i screwed up i know that...but here i go...

i do have all my other blood work...liver, etc...which is on the excellent side..im very healthy

is pinning the tren 2x a week enough? it just makes it easier to do w/test...the shot kicks my tiny ass...

my diet is now 35% prot/45% carbs/20% fat

al lean meats...elk steaks, chicken, and tons of fish..since i catch it all summer long....pastas..brocoli..no bs at..no drinking...

what kind of gains do u think id be lookin at with just the test an hgh?

i would really like to keep on my cycle but im willing to listen...thats why im here.

ive just heard so many awesome effects from tren/test from some friends that did it...that it is hard to not try..

**boxin23** · 02-10-2010, 01:17 AM

amcon thanks for the input...i kinda thought this is the feedback i would get...too much too soon....

im 36
bf >10 im lean...on the small side but have good strength

was in gym regularly when younger..out for long time...back in now for only 4 months...but i trained for boxing and integrated lifting into it...it was always important for me to be light in order to compete...125lb when really leaned up...not any more...but still really thin..

Ive already started the tren ...1st week...
Ive researched it...lots of sides....
no blood work on the test...i know stupid..i got impatient and wanted to start..i screwed up i know that...but here i go...

i do have all my other blood work...liver, etc...which is on the excellent side..im very healthy

is pinning the tren 2x a week enough? it just makes it easier to do w/test...the shot kicks my tiny ass...

my diet is now 35% prot/45% carbs/20% fat

al lean meats...elk steaks, chicken, and tons of fish..since i catch it all summer long....pastas..brocoli..no bs at..no drinking...

what kind of gains do u think id be lookin at with just the test an hgh?

i would really like to keep on my cycle but im willing to listen...thats why im here.

ive just heard so many awesome effects from tren/test from some friends that did it...that it is hard to not try..

***D7M*** · 02-10-2010, 06:46 AM

Drop the tren A. You don't need it on your first cycle, and you're not even dosing it correctly. You'll need to take it ED or EOD, not twice a week.

Drop the GH. Six weeks won't do much at all for you anyway.

Bottom line, I agree with Amcon. Just run a straight test cycle. If it's your first cycle and everything is in order, you should grow like a weed.

What's your planned pct?

**sigman roid** · 02-10-2010, 09:17 AM

Im with D7 and Amcon on this one your using way to much to soon,

Just run a simple test cycle for 12 weeks and see where you are when you have finished that.

**redz** · 02-10-2010, 09:21 AM

Drop the Tren Ace, you arent injecting it often enough anyways and nolva only is not enough for pct either. Also you don`t run half the test dose for 2 weeks leading up until pct.

**stpete** · 02-10-2010, 09:32 AM

Just throwing my .02 out there. I agree with everyone else and iu think you might want to get your diet together as well. Good luck.

**Hard.On** · 02-10-2010, 09:49 AM

you will gain that weight with straight test.
You have been reasearching too much.

One step at a time young skywalker

**boxin23** · 02-10-2010, 11:56 AM

all right guys....looks like the guy that got me started out is taking way too much stuff and its messing his head up to send me down the direction i was going.

Yes i've researched way too much...i do realize the tren should be ED or EOD.

Im going to drop the tren.

So you guys know...i saw a comment on the 6 weeks of HGH...its 6 months and im going to stick with that...i got a doc lined up...and at my age im only producing 40% of what i should be...I had a surger on my ears...my doc says the HGH will only help the healing process..connective tissues, etc...

Im just going to run the test at the 250 every 3 days.

I've further checked my diet...thanks amcon...yes its lacking about 1600 cals...but holy crap man i just can't seem to put all that down...you realize im only 140lbs? Its tuff..i used to only do like 1500 cals....light eater...the bump to 3400 where i am now was tuff at first. I'll try...i also thought the tren would help induce some good eating habits...will the test do that?

I def. need to get my PCT figured out more clearly.

Any ideas as to what kind of gains i will see on the test only in 12 weeks and stregth gains?

Glad i found this forum...thx alot for all the help everyone!

**bjohnson1968** · 02-10-2010, 12:23 PM

keep up your diet I was in that same boat (the full feeling when its time to eat thing) but I'm telling you it goes away by the time I'm ready to eat Im starving anymore

**boxin23** · 02-13-2010, 06:11 PM

Well started Monday at 143. Weighed in this morning at 151. That's amazing to me. It's obviously not the test that was started at beginning of week. I am eating my a$$ off. I am lifting 6 days a week. I am not doing much for cardio. Any suggestions on how much cardio to implement? I was hoping to put on as much as possible during the first 6 weeks and then cut the last 6 weeks. I can't see me to continue gaining weight like this, but i've never eaten like this either. Even if i only gained 2 a week for 12 plus the 8, that would be 32....that would be great. Is this feasible?

Friend of mine told me today that his 1st cycle on test (now on 4th) that he blew up on week 5...like out of nowhere.

I hope something like that happens....but im a little worried about getting fat, etc...because of how much i've already gained. Guess this is why i need some direction for cardio. thanks for any help and ill keep my gains posted here.

**Phate** · 02-13-2010, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Just throwing my .02 out there. I agree with everyone else and iu think you might want to get your diet together as well. Good luck.

i guarantee diet is lacking, i would like to see it in detail with macros for every meal, your weight is much much too low IMO but since you've started we might as well get your diet in check

tren will not "induce" good eating habits, willpower induces good eating habits

**Jbert22** · 02-13-2010, 06:51 PM

go to diet forum and post your diet if you really want help. you have dropped the tren so thats good. forget the winstrol !! if i were in your shoes i wouldnt have run aas at all because of age. but since you are only thing i would run on my first cycle is test from 500 to 900 mg per week for 10 -12 weeks and a pct with clomid and nolva. hcg only makes your nuts bigger IF they shrink up while on cycle. but i have read some use it for pct. idk bout hcg but thats all i think it does!! just my opinion on the subject!!

**boxin23** · 02-13-2010, 08:14 PM

phate, i basically went to the diet forum and am eating the sample 5300 cal diet listed. I substitute for the turkey and make it, fish, elk steaks or chicken breast so i can alternate what im eating. I was 125 lbs..like i said earlier i boxed and was fighting very lean. I was up to 140 ish not eating a high cal diet...when i started using this sample diet (which i can barely choke down) i don't know...i just started gaining weight like crazy...i've always been a skinny a$$. So amy I doing the right thing using this diet, or is eating at that high of a level going to make a small guy like me get some love handles that i don't really want?

My original diet:

1st meal:
smart start cereal
cup of milk
8 oz of grapefruit juic/ or orange / or acai berry
banana
2 whole eggs

2cnd meal:
2 slices wheat bread with serving of peanut butter on each
serving of grapes
cheese stick

3rd meal:
grilled chicken(6oz) mixed sallad no dressing
protein shake
cheese stick
Cottage cheese (6oz)
serving of grapes
serving of yogurt

4th meal:
Protein shake (post workout)
chicken or fish or elk steak (8oz)
Pasta with alfredo
Broccoli

5th meal:

2 servings of yogurt with grapenuts
apple

that was my original diet and i got up to 140 on that. I always eat what i think is pretty good. Never soda/beer/chips/candy, etc

so i would type all the protein/carbs/fat but ill give you the totals. I do record what i eat.

Protein 220 Carbs 257 Fat 67 Calories 3109.

I could manage eating that. Now for one week ive been on the sample plan on this site and i've gained 8 lbs. Am i doing the right thing. Do i need more cardio? Thanks.

**boxin23** · 02-16-2010, 02:03 PM

Ok well 3rd pin yesterday. I am up to 156. I am eating like a horse. I don't think the test is kicking in yet...everything i've read says like 3-5 weeks. I don't know if it's all in my head or the combo of the HGH. I am feeling good strength and a new kind of hardness in my workouts. It is strange. 13lbs in 8 days is retarded. I am not getting fat either. I am lean (what i thought was lean before getting on this site). Anyway i totally agree that DIET is everything. I have never gained like this EVER, and its not the juice! ...not yet....

**chuckt12345** · 02-16-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by boxin23

Ok well 3rd pin yesterday. I am up to 156. I am eating like a horse. I don't think the test is kicking in yet...everything i've read says like 3-5 weeks. I don't know if it's all in my head or the combo of the HGH. I am feeling good strength and a new kind of hardness in my workouts. It is strange. 13lbs in 8 days is retarded. I am not getting fat either. I am lean (what i thought was lean before getting on this site). Anyway i totally agree that DIET is everything. I have never gained like this EVER, and its not the juice! ...not yet....

5300 calories is overkill man

**got fina?** · 02-16-2010, 02:26 PM

First off. Welcome to the board.

In my honest opinion your taking way too much stuff. Your making the easiest cycle your ever going to take (your first) complicated for absolutely no reason.

Theres just no need to take all the things youve mentioned for your first cycle. Theres nothing like your first cycle. And you will remember it for the rest of your life.

Your body is new to any compound you put in it, and will grow like a beast from the smallest amounts at this point.

All you need at this point is 500mg/w of a long acting test (cypionate , enanthate , etc).

Its also a mistake to give your body this much as a first cycle becuase then your second will need to be a little more to gain same as first. Its just not worth it at this point.

Save your money and body. Juicing/working out is a looooong road, and there will be future cycles where you could take the amounts youve listed.

Good luck, Fina.

**Phate** · 02-16-2010, 04:00 PM

edit out drug references please^^^

**boxin23** · 02-17-2010, 12:24 AM

got fina....i am only doing the test...i have dropped everything else. the hgh was already planned due to a surgery I had...so anyway if you read the post, i am only on the test. PS i'll pass on the bump too...these are not my old days and if they were i'd go for the fatty's...sorry i've always ran before walking and its made me very successful.

Chucht.....Now I am getting confused...i was directed to the diet forum and was following the sample diet, which is 5300 cals....2000 more than i was taking. The 5300 is so damn tough. I do not know how long i can keep it up. Any thoughts on this diet or my previous one that i had posted?

Thanks guys

**got fina?** · 02-17-2010, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by boxin23

got fina....i am only doing the test...i have dropped everything else. the hgh was already planned due to a surgery I had...so anyway if you read the post, i am only on the test. PS i'll pass on the bump too...these are not my old days and if they were i'd go for the fatty's...sorry i've always ran before walking and its made me very successful.

Chucht.....Now I am getting confused...i was directed to the diet forum and was following the sample diet, which is 5300 cals....2000 more than i was taking. The 5300 is so damn tough. I do not know how long i can keep it up. Any thoughts on this diet or my previous one that i had posted?

Thanks guys

Dude, it was an example. Must have took it the wrong way. I know your not actually going to do the bump. Neither have i, and would never myself. Again just explaining why what was listed originally was a bad idea. Just my way of explaining.

Good luck.

**boxin23** · 02-28-2010, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by got fina?

Dude, it was an example. Must have took it the wrong way. I know your not actually going to do the bump. Neither have i, and would never myself. Again just explaining why what was listed originally was a bad idea. Just my way of explaining.

Good luck.

No biggy man, its all good.

**boxin23** · 02-28-2010, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

5300 calories is overkill man

Im eating way less now....and im gaining less than i did in the first 2 weeks. im on my 3rd week now. In the last 10 days i've gained 4 lbs. It seems right now im stuck at 160 for the last week. This sucks. I'm not really feeling much yet either. All i really feel is a little more intensity in my attitude from time to time, and I'm getting some water retention. I like it though it is making me look bigger already! I am getting some fat over my belly though. i don't like that. I am trippin over that and im thinking about the winstrol again for the last 6 weeks.....but im not going to do it.....it's just hard with it sitting there. I'm not doing much for cardio at all. I am going start 30 min of cardio 2 times a week for the next 3 weeks. Then im going to do 3 times a week @ 30 mins. I do not want to burn too much. Or am I trippin about that and should i just go ahead and step it up in that department? Any way so far so good. Thanks for everyone's help on this forum.

**slimy** · 03-01-2010, 04:03 AM

The test hasn't really even kicked in, yet. All of your gains are from your new diet. Diet is the KEY. Diet to gain weight, you WILL get bigger. Done.

Now, for the info you don't want to hear. Upping your calories like you did, you are going to gain some fat. Abs won't be as defined for a bit, but don't worry about it. It's a simple equation. Eat more calories than maintenance = you will get bigger. Eat less calories than manintenance = you will get smaller. You have probably been a small cut guy your whole life. You are about to take the steps to be a 'big guy'. It's a change, but if you give it time, you will love the results.

Keep eating up, keep cardio down. If you get a little love handle action, it's okay. It's still cold outside and you will not be running around without your shirt. Now comes the hard part, when to cut. Do not try to cut the bodyfat at the end of the cycle. If you do not keep the calories up going into pct, then you will lose most of the muscle you worked so hard for. Most recommend 300-500 extra calories a day during pct. This keeps your body from going as catabolic as it wants to without the exogenous hormones that made up your cycle.

So, you will have a little tummy for a minute. So what? After the cycle, after pct, after your body has tried it's best to reach homeostasis, then and only then do you hit the cardio and diet hard. By then, you will have pissed away most of the extra water wieght and you will be amazed how fast the fat comes off. Just in time for summer. And for the first time in your life, you will be a 'big cut guy'. And that little tummy in the winter will be so worth it.

Body building ( whether competing or not) is a lifestyle. By next summer, if you stick with it, you are going to love the way you look. I guarantee it.

**boxin23** · 03-02-2010, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by slimy

The test hasn't really even kicked in, yet. All of your gains are from your new diet. Diet is the KEY. Diet to gain weight, you WILL get bigger. Done.

Now, for the info you don't want to hear. Upping your calories like you did, you are going to gain some fat. Abs won't be as defined for a bit, but don't worry about it. It's a simple equation. Eat more calories than maintenance = you will get bigger. Eat less calories than manintenance = you will get smaller. You have probably been a small cut guy your whole life. You are about to take the steps to be a 'big guy'. It's a change, but if you give it time, you will love the results.

Keep eating up, keep cardio down. If you get a little love handle action, it's okay. It's still cold outside and you will not be running around without your shirt. Now comes the hard part, when to cut. Do not try to cut the bodyfat at the end of the cycle. If you do not keep the calories up going into pct, then you will lose most of the muscle you worked so hard for. Most recommend 300-500 extra calories a day during pct. This keeps your body from going as catabolic as it wants to without the exogenous hormones that made up your cycle.

So, you will have a little tummy for a minute. So what? After the cycle, after pct, after your body has tried it's best to reach homeostasis, then and only then do you hit the cardio and diet hard. By then, you will have pissed away most of the extra water wieght and you will be amazed how fast the fat comes off. Just in time for summer. And for the first time in your life, you will be a 'big cut guy'. And that little tummy in the winter will be so worth it.

Body building ( whether competing or not) is a lifestyle. By next summer, if you stick with it, you are going to love the way you look. I guarantee it.

Hey thanks for the words of encouragement. Yes i have always been a slim guy. Yeah i know the diet is doing all the work right now...i love it. Today i worked out 2x...it was my shoulder lat trap day...i went in and did just shoulders earlier and then came back for lat and trap....wow...i think im getting some love from something becuz i was able to do more sets and weight was up huge on seated rows...weird. Anyway the love handles are going to bother me a little.....im in it for the long haul so that is good. Thanks again....and BTW im up to 162 today, so the the 160 blues are gone for me. Heaviest i've ever been. It's great!