2nd cycle/cutting

[determined1978]

I am 31, 6'1, 187lbs, around 12%bf. How does this cycle sound?

Weeks 1-4

Andropen 275 2 cc's a week
Masteron eth. 200 mgs twice a week


Weeks 5-8

Andropen 275 3 cc's a week
d-bol
masteron eth. 200mgs twice a week


Weeks 8-12

andropen 275 2 cc's a week
masteron eth. 200mgs twice a week
winny 50 mgs ed

[bjpennnn]

not good.

can you fill in the blanks here.

Height
age
weight
bf%
cycle exp:
training exp:
pct?
diet?

[determined1978]

most of that info is at top of page, Training 5 days a week for a year and ahalf. I know i probably started the aas too early as far as lifting exp. At 31, which is not over the hill or anything, just didnt want to waste any time, dont slander me too much, lol, thanks for any help u can give me

[bjpennnn]

So this is your first cycle?

[determined1978]

first cycle was sustanon 250 twice a week, for 8 weeks, pct was hcg and some letro. Diet is in check, very clean, high protein, low to mod. carbs,

[bjpennnn]

Well I would just run Test E or C for 12 weeks 500mg a week and pct as follows
Day 1-18: Clomid @ 100 mgs
Day 1-18: Nolva @ 40 mgs
Day 18-36: Clomid @ 50 mgs
Day 18-36: Nolva @ 20 mgs

[determined1978]

And thats all u would u for a cutting cycle?

[bjpennnn]

Cutting or bulking only has to do with one thing....diet. You can throw in some clen or an ECA stack of you like. But your first cycle was poorly put together and your pct was very bad. So I am considering this your first real cycle.

[determined1978]

I thought the cycle was pretty good. From reading on here everyone said for the first cycle do test only. Good some pretty good gains, gained 25 lbs, of course all of it was not muscle, and strength increased pretty good. As for pct, i agree it wasnt that great. For this cycle i am going to use clomid, noveldex.

[bjpennnn]

I thought the cycle was pretty good. From reading on here everyone said for the first cycle do test only. Good some pretty good gains, gained 25 lbs, of course all of it was not muscle, and strength increased pretty good. As for pct, i agree it wasnt that great. For this cycle i am going to use clomid, noveldex.

ya man, live and learn with the pct. If you wanted to you could throw in the winny tabs for the last six weeks. but no need for the mast.

[determined1978]

A guy in my local gym that has won a couple of contest, and actually another who won mr. universe advised me on this cycle. I always like to get all the info i can on my own though. What kind of effect does the masteron have as far as cutting. I know the winny takes away the water, more vasularity. I've been told the masteron makes u harder looking, so what is the real difference between the two?

[determined1978]

I also may add in some clen , so at what point do u add it? My cycle starts on first of march btw

[determined1978]

bump

[bjpennnn]

I say throw then clen in but you dont need the winny because you wont notice to much unless you drop a few lbs of bf.

[determined1978]

yeah i would like to get to around 6%,

[determined1978]

so when should the clen be taken, now, first of cylce or cycle it throughout the whole 12 weeks?

[determined1978]

bump