tanked libido, very low free test and LH

**Spartans09** · 02-20-2010, 02:47 PM

I'm 38 with 4 cycles under my belt all in the last 4 years. I finished up my most recent cycle the end of last august 2009.
5'11' 192 @ 14% bf currently and cutting drug free, 40p/40c/20f diet eating 300-500kcal back of tdee with cardio 5-6 days a week. Lifting hard 4-5 days/week.

Last cycle
weeks 1-13 test cyp 500 mg/wk spilt up monday and Thursday
weeks 1-4 anavar 50mg/day
weeks 12-15 winstrol 50mg/day oral
weeks 1-13 proviron 75-100mg/day
weeks 14-16 proviron 25-50 mg/day
liquidex .125 eod

Pct staring 17 or 18 days after last cyp injection
70/35/35/35/35 clomid
40/20/20/20/20 nolvadex

all blood tests with ranges:

Thyroid screen (tsh) 1.83 IU/ml [0.35-5.50]
FSH, Serum 2.4 IU/ml [1.4-18.1]
free testosterone 10.0 pg/ml [>14.0] this sucks!
LH, Serum 1.7 iu/ml [1.5-9.3] low end of range
prolactin, serum 4.0 ng/ml [<25.0}
testosterone, total 555 ng/dl [241-827]

wbc count 5.3 k/ul [3.8-10.6]
rbc count 5.52 m/ul[4.4-6.0]
hemoglobin 17.8 g/dl[13.5-17.0]
hematocrit 51.1 %[41-53]
mcv 92.6 fl[80-100]
mch 32.3 pg[26-34]
mchc 34.9 g/dl[31-37]
rdw 13.1 %[<14.5]
platelet count 192 k/ul [150-450]

glucose 92[70-110] mg/dl
sodium 140[135-145] mmol/l
potassium 4.4[3.5-5.0] mmol/l
chloride 101 [95-108] mmol/l
carbon dioxide 29[24-32] mmol/l
anion gap 10 [8-16]
bun 22[10-25]mg/dl
creatinine 1.2[0.6-1.3] mg/dl
ast/sgot 32[15-35] iu/l
alt/sgpt 55 [30-65] iu/l
alkaline phosphate 109 [0-100]iu/l
bilirubin, total 0.9 [<1.2]mg/dl
calcium, serum 8.9[8.2-10.2]mg/dl
protein, total serum 7.5[6.4-8.2] g/dl
albumin, serun 4.6 [3.7-4.8] g/dl
globulin 2.9[2.5-4.1]g/dl
a/g ratio 1.6[0.9-1.8]
corrected calcium 8.8 [8.7-10.1] mg/dl
gfr nonafrican amer >60 [70-162]ml/min/1.73m2
gfr african american>60[70-162] ml/min/1.73m2

cholesterol 218[120-200] mg/dl
triglycerides 119 [30-150] mg/dl
hdl chol 58[>40] mg/dl
ldl chol 136 [70-130]
vldl 24
glucose fasting, bld 92 [70-100] mg/dl

I have pretty low libido for several months now. No erectile dysfuntion but not a lot of interest in sex. Maybe once a week. Strength has stayed pretty good but gains may be a little slow. Its hard to tell if that is from cutting. Need some direction on what course of action would help. Another pct? HCG ? Go straight to an endocronologist?

**dec11** · 02-20-2010, 02:51 PM

im 34 and have noticed a decline in desire steadily after each cycle and more so after my last (6th)

**Spartans09** · 02-20-2010, 03:15 PM

Bloodwork would shed some light. My low libido has to be related to low free test and LH levels but I would not have known that without bloodwork. Now I need help figuring out how to correct it

**dec11** · 02-20-2010, 03:20 PM

i knw i wont stop cycling so i opted to cruise

**Spartans09** · 02-20-2010, 03:28 PM

I'm hoping to avoid trt but may end up cruising and blasting if I can't sort things out.

**Spartans09** · 02-20-2010, 09:09 PM

bump

**FranciscoG** · 02-20-2010, 09:20 PM

Your FSH is also in ratio with your LH. Your over all test is pretty normal but your free is low
testosterone , total 555 ng/dl [241-827].

So basically your testicles have atrophied. August was a long time ago.

So exactly what is your goal here? Be detailed.

I will also bet ACTH is high....

Cholesterol is off also.

Hummmm

**Spartans09** · 02-20-2010, 10:24 PM

My goal is to take a course of action to raise free Test, LH and to aleviate the libido and slow gain issue. I'm looking for an option that does not include trt if possible. Would another pct address this? And if so should it incorporate hcg in any way(I've never used)? What should pct look like keeping in mind I am not comming out of a recent cycle and wouldn't think estrogen would need to reduced with an ai unless hcg is used? Another course of chlomid and novadex?

Cholesterol is trending in the right direction. I'm certian the oral winny backload on my last cycle destroyed it. I probably won't use it again. This is whAt it looked like in oct. 09 after pct.

Hdl 30
ldl 185

**dec11** · 02-20-2010, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Spartans09

My goal is to take a course of action to raise free Test, LH and to aleviate the libido and slow gain issue. I'm looking for an option that does not include trt if possible. Would another pct address this? And if so should it incorporate hcg in any way(I've never used)? What should pct look like keeping in mind I am not comming out of a recent cycle and wouldn't think estrogen would need to reduced with an ai unless hcg is used? Another course of chlomid and novadex?

Cholesterol is trending in the right direction. I'm certian the oral winny backload on my last cycle destroyed it. I probably won't use it again. This is whAt it looked like in oct. 09 after pct.

Hdl 30
ldl 185

ive always used hcg and this time around i thought it had helped me alot until afew weeks later, im kinda on the boat that the more we cycle the less we come back

**Spartans09** · 02-20-2010, 10:46 PM

Ya, I feel ya. It's the 3 ton elephant in the room that doesn't get much serious thought. The newbs never give it a thought no matter how much there warned.

**dec11** · 02-20-2010, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Spartans09

Ya, I feel ya. It's the 3 ton elephant in the room that doesn't get much serious thought. The newbs never give it a thought no matter how much there warned.

i knw mate, soul sold to the devil lol, was a long time ago anyway

**FranciscoG** · 02-21-2010, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by declan11

ive always used hcg and this time around i thought it had helped me alot until afew weeks later, im kinda on the boat that the more we cycle the less we come back

pretty much you and most everyone else.

**FranciscoG** · 02-21-2010, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Spartans09

My goal is to take a course of action to raise free Test, LH and to aleviate the libido and slow gain issue. I'm looking for an option that does not include trt if possible. Would another pct address this? And if so should it incorporate hcg in any way(I've never used)? What should pct look like keeping in mind I am not comming out of a recent cycle and wouldn't think estrogen would need to reduced with an ai unless hcg is used? Another course of chlomid and novadex?

Cholesterol is trending in the right direction. I'm certian the oral winny backload on my last cycle destroyed it. I probably won't use it again. This is whAt it looked like in oct. 09 after pct.

Hdl 30
ldl 185

Look at post #120 on this thread. Pretty much predicted exactly what is happening to you 35+ crowd.

You got questions ask away.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=418725