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    Test Prop & Anavar

    I'm narrowing in on my next cycle. I want to add around 8 lbs of lean muscle mass while continuing to lower my BF. This will be my 3rd cycle. Previous cycles have been test e only...1st @ 350mg for 12wks...2nd @ 500mg for 10 wks. I noticed potential gyno at 500 mg during 2nd cycle. I had sensitive nipples but Adex helped eliminate symptoms. I hope lower test on this next cycle will prevent sides from occurring. Please let me know if you think the following is a good plan given my goals...

    Anavar 60mg ED Weeks 1-8
    Test Prop 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
    Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

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    Height 6' 1"
    Weight 195
    BF% 16

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    I like it! But hey what do i know. I think both AAS can help move you towards your goals.

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    Pct needs some work.

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    i'd start with lower doses of anavar (30mg/day) and increase by 10mg/day weekly, see what happens around week 3-4 and adjust as needed. do not increase prop over 100mg EOD, would not give you any improvement. also run Liv.52 through the whole cycle, vitamins and other good stuff. keep nolva handy, if any signs of gyno, start at 20mg/day all the way through + 2 weeks (9-10, 11th if needed).

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    I like your cycle!

    I am running a simular cycle at the moment. Took my 2nd shot of prop yesterday. I am running Prop @ 75mg eod and Anavar @50 ed. Goal is getting a nice hard summer look :-)

    I would tweak your PCT as well, especially in our age (am 36). Mine will be:

    Clomid 50, 50, 50, 50
    Nolva 40, 20, 20, 20, 20

    Thinking of adding HcG last 3 weeks of the cycle at 250 iu 2x week.

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by abuleh View Post
    I like your cycle!

    I am running a simular cycle at the moment. Took my 2nd shot of prop yesterday. I am running Prop @ 75mg eod and Anavar @50 ed. Goal is getting a nice hard summer look :-)

    I would tweak your PCT as well, especially in our age (am 36). Mine will be:

    Clomid 50, 50, 50, 50
    Nolva 40, 20, 20, 20, 20

    Thinking of adding HcG last 3 weeks of the cycle at 250 iu 2x week.

    Good luck

    ~abuleh


    What is the reason for taking clomid and nolva together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilotR1 View Post
    i'd start with lower doses of anavar (30mg/day) and increase by 10mg/day weekly, see what happens around week 3-4 and adjust as needed. do not increase prop over 100mg EOD, would not give you any improvement. also run Liv.52 through the whole cycle, vitamins and other good stuff. keep nolva handy, if any signs of gyno, start at 20mg/day all the way through + 2 weeks (9-10, 11th if needed).
    Quote Originally Posted by pilotR1 View Post
    What is the reason for taking clomid and nolva together?

    I'm curious why you offered advice on the Var dose and gyno protection yet you're unsure about why you would run Nolva and Clomid together.

    IMO your Anavar dose is good... starting at 30mg ed and moving up would hinder your results... as for Gyno protection just get some liquidex from AR-R and keep it on hand incase you need it, which you probably won't at that dose. Also Clomid and Nolva both for PCT.

    Good Luck
    Last edited by Bertuzzi; 02-23-2010 at 04:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertuzzi View Post
    I'm curious why you offered advice on the Var dose and gyno protection yet you're unsure about why you would run Nolva and Clomid together.
    In plain language, Anavar tends to "thicken" the blood, not everyone can handle high dose right off the bet (DallasLift is 41, let's not forget that), so that's why i suggested to start low. Yes, maybe (big maybe) it will hinder the results, but it's safer!

    From what I gather, Nolva is more potent than Clomid when it comes to gyno issues, so could you explain why one would run Nolva and Clomid together?
    Last edited by pilotR1; 02-23-2010 at 05:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilotR1 View Post
    In plain language, Anavar tends to "thicken" the blood, not everyone can handle high dose right off the bet (DallasLift is 41, let's not forget that), so that's why i suggested to start low. Yes, maybe (big maybe) it will hinder the results, but it's safer! Sorry I have never heard of any males not being able to handle a 60mg dose of var..

    From what I gather, Nolva is more potent than Clomid when it comes to gyno issues, so could you explain why one would run Nolva and Clomid together?
    Pheedno's PCT Read this, that should help explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertuzzi View Post
    Pheedno's PCT Read this, that should help explain it.
    OK, thanks.

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    I'm getting advise to lower my test to 50-75 mg EOD and Anavar to 50 mg ED. How would this look? My goal is to add around 8-10 lbs of quality muscle that is keepable post PCT.

    Anavar 50mg ED Weeks 1-8
    Test Prop 50-75mg EOD Weeks 1-8
    Clomid 50, 50, 50, 50
    Nolva 40, 20, 20, 20

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    i would keep prop at 100mg eod, anavar at 50mg/d should be ok. run it, see how it goes.

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