First cycle advice

[savage88]

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[Bertuzzi]

Too young.

Tren on your first cycle??? Even I know you shouldn't do that. One inject. compound only, but still too young.

[savage88]

Again, with the things that have happend age isnt a concern, but ya Im still a little sketchy on the tren , maybe thinking deca . thnx for the response though.

[panntastic]

Just stick with test for a first cycle brother you don't know how your body will react to multiple compounds and if only pinning 1 you can pinpoint the exact cause of nasty sides wherte as several compounds is a task of elimination

[Vullfromsc]

tren might not be a good idea
age is always a question with the risk of shutting yourself down, but i know you don't want to hear that lol
whats up with the frontload of hcg ? i haven't seen that before
usually people run it during cycle like maybe:

week 2 - end up cycle (up to pct): 500iu weekly (inject twice a week)

or they run it during pct at higher doses

EDIT : ignore that, i misread the hcg.. looks good

[Bertuzzi]

Let me get this straight.... You think because you crashed your natural test production with PH and it has recovered since then, you feel that you will not have any issues with shutting yourself down??? Also your not worried because you haven't grown since 7th grade??? Wow... not to be rude man but you are extremely confused. Do some research on youths and AAS. Please do not do a cycle... as a certified personal trainer you should be smarter then this.

I hope Marcus chimes in on this one, he always has away with explaining the youth issue.

[savage88]

Let me get this straight.... You think because you crashed your natural test production with PH and it has recovered since then, you feel that you will not have any issues with shutting yourself down??? Also your not worried because you haven't grown since 7th grade??? Wow... not to be rude man but you are extremely confused. Do some research on youths and AAS. Please do not do a cycle... as a certified personal trainer you should be smarter then this.

I hope Marcus chimes in on this one, he always has away with explaining the youth issue.

No no, the natural test thing was because so many people say "dont do it because your natural test is so high at that age" and mine isnt. All my hormone levels are the levels of an average adult man (lab tested).

[Bertuzzi]

No no, the natural test thing was because so many people say "dont do it because your natural test is so high at that age" and mine isnt. All my hormone levels are the levels of an average adult man (lab tested).

Ok, I give up....

[marcus300]

Your own hormonal system hasnt fully developed yet and by shutting it down it could never reach its peak and you could suffer for the rest of your life with erection problems, low libido,depresion, mood swings just to name a few, its doesnt fully develop until around the age of 25yrs old, at yoru age its all in your diet, you have enought natural test to bbuild muscle like your on a small cycle, so do whats right and that sort your diet out, because the answer is with food and not in an injection.

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

THERE ISN'T A CORRECT WAY TO CYCLE AT YOUR AGE, if you think you got low test for your age go and seek a doctors advice because no on here is going advice a 20 yr old how to cycle that would be reckless..

[savage88]

tren might not be a good idea
age is always a question with the risk of shutting yourself down, but i know you don't want to hear that lol
whats up with the frontload of hcg ? i haven't seen that before
usually people run it during cycle like maybe:

week 2 - end up cycle (up to pct): 500iu weekly (inject twice a week)

or they run it during pct at higher doses

EDIT : ignore that, i misread the hcg.. looks good

Ya the PCT is the only PCT that has actually been scientifically tested. They gave it to 19 subjects after 12 weeks of super supressive AAS and every subject recoverd natural testosterone to 100% of starting levels.

[savage88]

Ok, I give up....

I really do appreciate your concern im not trying to be a douche. And I know tht they supress natural test no matter if its crashed or not, thats why I planned such a heavy PCT.

[Bertuzzi]

PCT is not magical.... I think you need to research what it is that PCT does.... I honestly believe you're confused about all of this.

Just read what marcus said and trust him.... Please

[savage88]

PCT is not magical.... I think you need to research what it is that PCT does.... I honestly believe you're confused about all of this.

Just read what marcus said and trust him.... Please

I know it isnt magical, I know what all of these drugs do in the human body and how they effect the user. Im just trying to make this as safe and effective as possible. Marcus' post was a cut and paste job though lol, its very apparent he didnt read the thread. Much respect to marcus though, I do believe he knows what he's talking about and I dont need to make enemies on this forum lol.

[marcus300]

All because you didnt hear what you wanted to hear doesnt mean its wrong and my post's doesnt change no matter who i am writing to if your young the asnwer is not to cycle.

Fact is your have already damaged your natural test by PH and now you want to do a cycle and cause yourself even more damage!!

You cant recover and you have problems getting your natural test back up even after a PH cycle, how on earth are you going to cope with AAS!

Your not concerned with your growth plates, well i would be at 5ft 4" you need to sort yourself out because the way your thinking is not logical.

There isnt a safe way to cycle at your age, if you suspect you may have low test because of using PH's what do you think AAS is going to do? are you going to stay on gear all the time from now on? because with your weak HPTA thats what is going to happen.

Your going to cause yourself so much damage and yet you dont want to hear it but in this thread you state issues and sides from PH's what have you worried, you have no idea what your doing and you should stop and think and listen to people who have been training longer than you have been alive.

Dont cycle, sort your diet out and dont go down this route, your a worse case than someone who cycles in their teens, you have reported low test because of PH's and now you want gear, OMG

No one is going to advice you to cycle, if they do it will be reckless and probably from another 20yr old, i hope you change your mind and do the correct thing.

[ghettoboyd]

lets face it, where living in an instant gratificational world where the youth of today want everything and thay want it yesterday....**** working for it when theres magic beans(aas) that can give you the body of your dreams....who cares if peeps explain the dangers of cycling too young cus there buddies all did multiple cycles and gained like 20 lbs and there all ok(for now).......isnt it obvious that those of us whome are older and put the time in to learn to grow natty and learned how to cycle responsibly are advising against cycling at a young age dont know what where talking about?.....god it must be nice to be young and know it all....i weep for the future...

[savage88]

All because you didnt hear what you wanted to hear doesnt mean its wrong and my post's doesnt change no matter who i am writing to if your young the asnwer is not to cycle.

Fact is your have already damaged your natural test by PH and now you want to do a cycle and cause yourself even more damage!!

You cant recover and you have problems getting your natural test back up even after a PH cycle, how on earth are you going to cope with AAS!

Your not concerned with your growth plates, well i would be at 5ft 4" you need to sort yourself out because the way your thinking is not logical.

There isnt a safe way to cycle at your age, if you suspect you may have low test because of using PH's what do you think AAS is going to do? are you going to stay on gear all the time from now on? because with your weak HPTA thats what is going to happen.

Your going to cause yourself so much damage and yet you dont want to hear it but in this thread you state issues and sides from PH's what have you worried, you have no idea what your doing and you should stop and think and listen to people who have been training longer than you have been alive.

Dont cycle, sort your diet out and dont go down this route, your a worse case than someone who cycles in their teens, you have reported low test because of PH's and now you want gear, OMG

No one is going to advice you to cycle, if they do it will be reckless and probably from another 20yr old, i hope you change your mind and do the correct thing.

Ugh god I knew I was going to catch a lot of crap for this thread. I didnt mean to piss you off, but please dont lecture me. And no my height doesnt concern me because it has nothing to do with AAS or PHs at all. My parents are short and I stopped growing in the 7th grade. Thank you for your insight though. Much respect.

[savage88]

OMG ok people! IM NOT LOOKING FOR INSTANT GRATIFICATION, IM NOT JUST SOME LAZY ASS KID WHO DOESNT WANT TO WORK HARD FOR WHAT HE GETS, AND I DONT NEED TO BE LECTURED LIKE IM STUPID! My diet and exercise plan have always been tighter than tight, and everything in my workouts is textbook. The only reason Im even considering this is because my body cant keep up with my mind in the gym. I cant recover fast enough, and I cant train as hard as I want too. Also, because of my small frame I think that I have reached my genetic limit. The past year I have tried EVERYTHING to break past this plateu Im at, and nothing has made it budge. I literally have tried everything, so please dont tell me how I can break this plateu.

[Bertuzzi]

Ugh god I knew I was going to catch a lot of crap for this thread. I didnt mean to piss you off, but please dont lecture me. And no my height doesnt concern me because it has nothing to do with AAS or PHs at all. My parents are short and I stopped growing in the 7th grade. Thank you for your insight though. Much respect.

No one is pissed off.... These vets just know what they're talking about.... hwy are you here if you only want to hear what you want. Why even ask a question?? You're not ready, its that simple. If you don't want to listen to anyone then go do it and don't tell anyone on here about it.... everyone here is only trying to help.

[savage88]

No one is pissed off.... These vets just know what they're talking about.... hwy are you here if you only want to hear what you want. Why even ask a question?? You're not ready, its that simple. If you don't want to listen to anyone then go do it and don't tell anyone on here about it.... everyone here is only trying to help.

I know they are trying to help bro, Im simply asking if the cycle its self looks good and nothing else.

[marcus300]

Ugh god I knew I was going to catch a lot of crap for this thread. I didnt mean to piss you off, but please dont lecture me. And no my height doesnt concern me because it has nothing to do with AAS or PHs at all. My parents are short and I stopped growing in the 7th grade. Thank you for your insight though. Much respect.

I am not pissed at all, I am just answering your question what you seem to ignore because its not what you want to hear.

Facts are, you have already damage your HPTA through PH's and you havent fully recovered.

Your asking the best way to cycle for someone with your stats and the correct asnwer is NOT TO CYCLE its to dangerous as you already know from your cycle of PH's.

Your in a worse state than any other newbie because your already having problems with your HPTA,

No one is going to advice you how to cycle, its to dangerous for someone like you,

why are you waiting for one poster to give you advice on how to cycle? WHY dont you listen to everybody in this thread telling you to stop and dont cycle.

I can see I am wasting my time and effect so i am out of this thread now, you will one day regret using AAS, fact!

[ghettoboyd]

OMG ok people! IM NOT LOOKING FOR INSTANT GRATIFICATION, IM NOT JUST SOME LAZY ASS KID WHO DOESNT WANT TO WORK HARD FOR WHAT HE GETS, AND I DONT NEED TO BE LECTURED LIKE IM STUPID! My diet and exercise plan have always been tighter than tight, and everything in my workouts is textbook. The only reason Im even considering this is because my body cant keep up with my mind in the gym. I cant recover fast enough, and I cant train as hard as I want too. Also, because of my small frame I think that I have reached my genetic limit. The past year I have tried EVERYTHING to break past this plateu Im at, and nothing has made it budge. I literally have tried everything, so please dont tell me how I can break this plateu.

do as you please man its your body....there arnt to many peeps on this board that are going to tell you this is a great idea that you have but there are plenty of other boards on the net that will...

[Mooseman33]

OMG ok people! IM NOT LOOKING FOR INSTANT GRATIFICATION, IM NOT JUST SOME LAZY ASS KID WHO DOESNT WANT TO WORK HARD FOR WHAT HE GETS, AND I DONT NEED TO BE LECTURED LIKE IM STUPID! My diet and exercise plan have always been tighter than tight, and everything in my workouts is textbook. The only reason Im even considering this is because my body cant keep up with my mind in the gym. I cant recover fast enough, and I cant train as hard as I want too. Also, because of my small frame I think that I have reached my genetic limit. The past year I have tried EVERYTHING to break past this plateu Im at, and nothing has made it budge. I literally have tried everything, so please dont tell me how I can break this plateu.

thats exactly how u are coming off as..

kids should not use AAS, as Marcus said, there is NO safe way for you to cycle at your age...

best of luck

[savage88]

*sigh* guys..... This is just what Im thinking about, nothing is set in stone. I dont have anything yet, Im simply brainstorming. I wasnt asking if its right at my age, and yes I do understand the health risks. I probably wouldnt even have the money for this till a year and a half from now anyways.

Im only asking about how the cycle looks, please only comment on that

[Hard.On]

Ya the PCT is the only PCT that has actually been scientifically tested. They gave it to 19 subjects after 12 weeks of super supressive AAS and every subject recoverd natural testosterone to 100% of starting levels.

Can I see this study

[Hard.On]

*sigh* guys..... This is just what Im thinking about, nothing is set in stone. I dont have anything yet, Im simply brainstorming. I wasnt asking if its right at my age, and yes I do understand the health risks. I probably wouldnt even have the money for this till a year and a half from now anyways.

Im only asking about how the cycle looks, please only comment on that

Dont give us that man,
We have hear this hundreds of times,
You ARE looking for info on a cycle that is for you to run now

don't try that puppy dog eye routine and think everyone will start to give you advice.

You were thinking about it, everyone has given you alot to think about,
I think its time you thought about it

[savage88]

Dont give us that man,
We have hear this hundreds of times,
You ARE looking for info on a cycle that is for you to run now

don't try that puppy dog eye routine and think everyone will start to give you advice.

You were thinking about it, everyone has given you alot to think about,
I think its time you thought about it

Um In not, I was actually telling the truth.

[savage88]

Ok guys, thnx for the bashing. Im assuming that nothing is wrong as far as the cycle structure since only 1 person has even mentioned it. Catch you guys later.

[savage88]

Can I see this study

Oh ya, its in the PCT section of anabolics 2007 and 2009