D-Bol at the end of a cycle rather than the beggining?

**Rando911** · 03-12-2010, 05:13 PM

Anyone ever run 4wks of dbol in the middle or twards the end of the cycle? Thinking being, the dbol aids in protien synthesis and the test... well we know what that does! Seems like it might be a good idea, rather than jump starting only with dbol. Make the most of it while "on".. and the test should keep fat dep. down? Any ideas?

**the big 1** · 03-12-2010, 05:26 PM

I suppose its just personal preference?

But the idea of the d-bol is to kick start the cycle straight away whilst you wait for the test to do its work.

The test will cause bloat in some, and d-bol causes bloat for most, so would you want that huge amount of bloat all at once?

I would personally use the d-bol weeks 1-10 with liv 52 if i was goin to overstep the 4 week kick in time.

Its up to the idvidual, theres not a set plan for all. (Unless its first cycle)

**jordann** · 03-12-2010, 05:36 PM

I am also interested in this.

I'm assuming if you keep it at relatively low doses such as 30-40mg/day, you can keep the sides down with a fair amount of strength gain.

**pilotR1** · 03-12-2010, 05:46 PM

well, i heard from some vets that d-bol can be helpful in the beginning and at the end of a cycle. guys say good quality d-bol is a great anti-catabolic, so they do recommend low dose 2-4 weeks of d-bol after the cycle of other gear is finished, so this would be like an extension of the cycle. i've never done that myself though.

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-12-2010, 06:06 PM

D-bols gains aren't very stable unless ran with test to solidify them, so running it towards the end of the cycle and then PCT'ing could affect how much you end up keeping.

Debatable I would say, I would run it in the beginning, the high amount of estrogen that d-bol converts to isn't a plus when going into PCT.

**tjax03** · 03-12-2010, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

D-bols gains aren't very stable unless ran with test to solidify them, so running it towards the end of the cycle and then PCT'ing could affect how much you end up keeping.

Debatable I would say, I would run it in the beginning, the high amount of estrogen that d-bol converts to isn't a plus when going into PCT.

That is some great bro logic. Muscle gains from dbol are the same as muscle gains from any other compound. People just think that the gains are less stable because you tend to lose alot of weight when coming off the drug. This weight is mainly water though. Muscle gained is the same regardless of the compound being used. This is the argument used against dbol only cycles. The main reason dbol only cycles are not effective though is because they do not last long enough for there to be significant muscle gain.

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-13-2010, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by tjax03

That is some great bro logic. Muscle gains from dbol are the same as muscle gains from any other compound. People just think that the gains are less stable because you tend to lose alot of weight when coming off the drug. This weight is mainly water though. Muscle gained is the same regardless of the compound being used. This is the argument used against dbol only cycles. The main reason dbol only cycles are not effective though is because they do not last long enough for there to be significant muscle gain.

I disagree, Mdrol a popular pro-steroid , methyltrenbiolone, M1T all produced significant amount of muscle in 3 weeks and in fact by the third week gains were slowly down and those orals are so harsh on the body that 4 week cycles are only recommened anything more begins degrading the liver.

Dbol at heart is a weak steroid which Mdrol beats hands down. Dbol causes bloating, high estrogen levels, and the muscle kept at the end is hardly extraordinary seeing as how you are running along side testosterone . Mdrol on the other hand cannot be converted to estrogen, produces lean gains amounting up to 10lbs in some cases, with little bloat.

Reason why dbol only cycles are not recommened because there is no test supplemented with it thus no proper gainage since dbol is not that anabolic of a oral steroid in terms of pure muscle gains.

**CanYouDigIt** · 03-13-2010, 08:52 AM

I wouldn't listend too much immortal has to say expecially with his "past experience/ lack of knowledge" imo.

alot of people have done/used dbol at mid way through there cycle it's called a pyramid cycle, and basicly I prefer this sort of cycle more then using dbol to kickstart, which is almost pointless to be honest, unless you run it for 5-6 weeks with test.

pyramid cycles basicly makes your gear peaks as a certain point in your cycle, and this is where you'll do most gains, and it will gradually go down, so you don't get a big down at the end of the cycle, and you can still keep your gains.

my next cycle will probably be a quick ester test/ prolly prop 8 weeks / tren a week (1 or2 - 6 ) / dbol or anadrol from week (3 - 7)

and I'm pretty positive I'll make same gains in 2 months that I did in 3 months, by pyramiding.

anyways gl.

**marcus300** · 03-13-2010, 08:58 AM

Dbol can be used at the start, middle or at the end. If your using a long ester sometimes its beneficial to start the dbol once the Test is kicking at full blood levels around 4-5th week.

You can also add it as a kickstarter to most cycles so you can build some gains straight from the start. Adding it at the end can also be a great springboard into new growth and if you run it right up to PCT start time it can help with the lag between cycle and PCT, all you need to do is try all methods and see which one you prefer or respond best to.