new gear user q'S

[D_iamond]

hey i am 19 6'3 and about to start a cycle of test e 12 weeks and d-bol 6weeks 500mg week test/ 25mgday d-bol

[D_iamond]

any coments and advice needed greatly

[D7M]

what are your other stats: weight? body fat?

Why do you want to start using at such a young age?

You realize that you will probably do more harm than good, and have the possibility of permanently damaging yourself by taking steroids at your age.

[D_iamond]

i am 200 at 10% i used test enth when i was 17 for 10 weeks and had decent results but got into drugs and stuff and lost my weight

[D_iamond]

i also believe i may run adex or some other ai for all the estrogen and opon reading "youll want to read this" i decided i will only be running around the cycle 10 weeks at 600 per week of test. also i was thinking of starting the d-bol later in the cycle rather than earlyier so both steriods are fully active at the same time. is this a sound idea or not? also if any one has any ideas about a different as instead of d-bol maybe eq or something let me now your expeirence with reatained muscle weight after and stuff thank you so much

[LatissimusaurousRex]

Your young you don't need steroids , you can accomplish SO much naturally. Quit looking for a shortcut, you're running the risk of Fing your body up for life. Train hard and you'll get the results you want.

[D_iamond]

thank you i know the risks involved and have already made the desicion to go ahead years ago thank u for your concern. i will be twenty by the time i start my second cycle. i am not worried about growing any taller i am 6"3 and the others are things i can deal with like the rest of the users.

[Hard.On]

thank you i know the risks involved and have already made the desicion to go ahead years ago thank u for your concern. i will be twenty by the time i start my second cycle. i am not worried about growing any taller i am 6"3 and the others are things i can deal with like the rest of the users.

Can you deal with limp dick?
Can you deal with not sleeping?
Can you combat depression?
Can you deal with hair loss?

Most of the users were all a little bit older when thery started/
Believe it or not you are at a disadvantage already b/c you ran that bunk cycle when you were 17

[mgs83]

i have to agree.....you are to young bro. You are 19, with 3000-400calorie diet of protein, complex carbs, hard lifting and plenty of rest, you will blow up in a years time. Listen to vets who know more than both of us, but i know more than to say your going to face far greater side effects than not growing taller man, dont be so naive. Just looking out, i highly suggest natural for you......

[Schmidty]

oh brother... at 19 6'3 200lbs u have a lot of natural growing to do man and u r gona do what u want to do... so let me say ahead of time thanks for making steroids look bad.

[Hard.On]

anything to say OP?

[hunterwells]

sweet tat btw....

[D_iamond]

thanks guys i know you are all very well versed in this feild however the first time i ran test was for 10 weeks and all i used was clomid for post cycle and i was notr using anywhere near the right amount prolly under 50mg a day if i can remember and i had no sides at all just huge weight gain and strength gains ya know i just real maybe some of the harsher sides are from other stroids than test and i grew two inches since that first cycle no and before i used i had terrible depression nd none since i feel streriods can be severly abused and even in my case are not really the right thing to do... however i have never struggled with limp dick either but sleeplessness yes but come on thats nothin and hair loss well that would suck however regardless of age that is a possible effect so apperently it is not that bad as to turn away users o well i may just be a stupid kid but i enjoy using steriods so sorry for making you guys look bad but so far im fine and if there begins to be things i dont like happening to my bod then fine i will take that into considERATION but i am using a lower dose than before so i should be fine

[D_iamond]

sorry double

[marcus300]

You really shouldnt be touching any kind of aas at your age, your asking for trouble. At your age the answer isnt in an injection or tablets its in hard training and a solid diet, build a base and use your natrually high levels of testosterone and dont shut yourself down.

[D_iamond]

also i started test enth on friday at 250mg twice weekly and decided that until test only cycles stop making gains i wont be taking any other injectables or tabs i got vig bioscience gear 250/mg per cc any body ever try there stuff???? or heard of them i have only ever found ONE reference to them on the web but my buddy loves um so any way i will post progress pics at three weeks in once the esters start to wear off nd i begin growing anyway any tips on training styles that yeild highest gains would be apreciATED dudes thanks

[D_iamond]

i know it would prolly be better not to do what i am doing but the same thing goes for every one idk i have had nothing but good come from it so far but i really do think its great you guys dicourage youngens so much from messing themselfs up

[marcus300]

In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

[D_iamond]

thanks dude i realize this and unfortanatly i already did a cycle when i was 17 is there any study you know of that talks about the risks of permanatly ruining your hptA? and if i have done it once does that nessacarily mean that i have already done all the damage i could? idk i feel like since i already ****ed up by doing it so young might as well get something out of it ya know

[D_iamond]

ok so i am stareting to get oily skin and my indurence is pickin up a lil i think the test is starting to kick in!! wha hoo!!! i dislocated my pinky the other day playin football i am pissed it is making training a lil harder o well i can still funtion fine with straps tho this week on certain exercises.

[InknSteel]

5 days in and already feeling the effects of the test ent? must be some good f'n gear bro........

[ty357]

5 days in and already feeling the effects of the test ent? must be some good f'n gear bro........

LOl that might be the fastest response to test in history

[sarasotafloridabrian]

I don't know what TY357 did to rip like that but BAM! That's just crazy.
19 is too young. I was a bit older than that on my first and it really was too soon. I also bulked up too quickly and developed some serious stretch marks under my arms.
Obviously you will get a lot more knowledge and experience from a forum board like this one where I never had the benefit.
You are going to do what YOU want to, and we all know that, but be careful and head some advice.

[D_iamond]

ya i know i am young but like i said i didnt have any bad sides when i was 17 but did not keep any gains, and ya the esters break down slowly and i havent got any strength gains yet but the small test increase is becoming more and more evident every day ya know like i said oily skin which i dont usealy have nd on day five i didnt feel tired at all by the end of a hard work day definatley the test kicking in it only takes 10-14 days for the test to be fully bioavailable any way dudes

[JasonT]

thanks guys i know you are all very well versed in this feild however the first time i ran test was for 10 weeks and all i used was clomid for post cycle and i was notr using anywhere near the right amount prolly under 50mg a day if i can remember and i had no sides at all just huge weight gain and strength gains ya know i just real maybe some of the harsher sides are from other stroids than test and i grew two inches since that first cycle no and before i used i had terrible depression nd none since i feel streriods can be severly abused and even in my case are not really the right thing to do... however i have never struggled with limp dick either but sleeplessness yes but come on thats nothin and hair loss well that would suck however regardless of age that is a possible effect so apperently it is not that bad as to turn away users o well i may just be a stupid kid but i enjoy using steriods so sorry for making you guys look bad but so far im fine and if there begins to be things i dont like happening to my bod then fine i will take that into considERATION but i am using a lower dose than before so i should be fine

holy shit, was that one sentence bro?


you remind me of a couple of my buddies, they started using aas when they were 17 (in HS, junior/senior), at the time they used recreational drugs, but slowly moved on to harder stuff. Eventually they went back to the world of aas (kept trying to shorcut things)....all of them regret doing what they did and continue to do.

[D_iamond]

ya i am not realy the grammer school kinda guy and did you get absolutly as big as you could naturaly before using aas prolly not so any way pretty much everyone using aas is taking a shortcut if thats what you call it however i dont feel this is a shortcut just a way to improve life and a choice to improve the body's and performance of men and woman everywhere any way i have have a good idea of what i am doing i have been watching my ahletic peers do aas properly and come out with no problems and i have also seen idiots since i was a kid use aas with NO background knowledge and **** them selfs up permanatly thank you for your concern and if your friends regret it so much than they need to stop while they still can and take the nessacary steps to become functual men again if thats possible or else i guess they just got an excuse to use aas the rest of there lives poor chaps

[JasonT]

ya i am not realy the grammer school kinda guy and did you get absolutly as big as you could naturaly before using aas prolly not so any way pretty much everyone using aas is taking a shortcut if thats what you call it however i dont feel this is a shortcut just a way to improve life and a choice to improve the body's and performance of men and woman everywhere any way i have have a good idea of what i am doing i have been watching my ahletic peers do aas properly and come out with no problems and i have also seen idiots since i was a kid use aas with NO background knowledge and **** them selfs up permanatly thank you for your concern and if your friends regret it so much than they need to stop while they still can and take the nessacary steps to become functual men again if thats possible or else i guess they just got an excuse to use aas the rest of there lives poor chaps

i don't consider myself to be that big bro, but im currently planning my first cycle. i wanted to cycle back then, and i've always had the urge, but i held off. i firmly believe in building a solid base with mature muscle mass/tendons before cycling.

[D_iamond]

that is very practical and if i could go back to the first and until friday the only time i did aas i would not have done it i kept nothing ya know(heroin and crack will do that to a 17 year old ) but i built my body back up naturaly over three years to give myself (like you said) a decent base and i am ready ya know so especially if you are in the same situation as me please dont criticize me for just wanting to do steroids like so many others... we both think steroids are not the end of the world and can help us they are good lol

[D_iamond]

also i think that you are prolly a perfect candidate for aas you have a ton of training experience and you have great self control... i dont lol that is apparent but i at least know what i am doing for the most part and am taking only minimal ya know o well just my .02

[D_iamond]

so i think that my brain was prolly tricking me into thinking the aas has kicked in lol when in reality i am still getting sore so there not that kicked in yet however i have gained over 5 pounds already( well closer to 10) that may just be do to the higher calorie diet i have to adjust to the aas any thoughtss?

[D_iamond]

I am so angry my girlo gave me this flu it only lasted like 40 hour but i lost a bunch of weight from hurling and not being able to eat anything right at the begining of a cycle when i havent been sick in years what the ****kk o well back to the drawing board hahaha

[D_iamond]

finnally got a great deak on 100 tabs of anadrol will get it next week its syntrop i cant wait to drop those bombs on myself as i have been throwing up and unable to push myself for my third week on test enth tommarow i will be back in the gym and growing again akso those babys are gonna make up for the lost week 5 fold AHHHHH YES I WILL BE MASSIVE (insert evil laugh hear)!!!!!