Help on a good cycle for best all around results on mass building.

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 04:31 PM

I am 31 years old and im 6'3" and weigh 245
I have have done some steroid before but really didn't see the results that i was after, I don't know if i was taking the right dosage. Anyhow wondering if anybody out there can help me with a cycle that can add some serious mass, my goal is to reach 265. I eat clean and like crazy, I have a high matabalism im takeing in 4000 calories a day.

***D7M*** · 03-20-2010, 04:32 PM

What's your bf?

What were your previous cycles?

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 04:46 PM

Some d-bal 40mg a day
and test E 450mg a week

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 04:47 PM

my bodyfat is 10%

***D7M*** · 03-20-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Flex6018

Some d-bal 40mg a day
and test E 450mg a week

good stats.

just to be clear, was that one cycle you listed above or two separate cycles?

If it's your second cycle, deca /test is always a tried and true mass builder.

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 04:56 PM

That was all one cycle

**marksmythe09** · 03-20-2010, 04:57 PM

Hey i have only done 2 cycles so far but i found that my gaines where massive just a bit of info of my cycle...
sus black widow/300mg.1ml a week..stacked with test pro200mg...1ml and then every 3ed day i stacked test pro as it dose not last more than 4 days in your body with one rip 200mg....1ml
I no its not that much info as i am still a newby to all this really but i hope it gives u an idea about what u want....

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 04:58 PM

could you set me up a good mass cycle that worked for you with the doses.

***D7M*** · 03-20-2010, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Flex6018

could you set me up a good mass cycle that worked for you with the doses.

research deca and test

come back with a proposed cycle

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 05:03 PM

I have always been told that if you ntake deca it makes you have limp dick is that true?

**c-Z** · 03-20-2010, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Flex6018

I have always been told that if you ntake deca it makes you have limp dick is that true?

Thats the reasoning for running test...

**marksmythe09** · 03-20-2010, 05:08 PM

It also depends on your source can they be trusted?

u have got to look into shit like this just dont jump in feet first.

a good course of sus an deca should do u fine u just need to think about your doses.

u a big fella so if i was u i would stack 2ml of deca with 1 ml sus once a week buts thats just me.

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 05:15 PM

I've always heard people say that deca with give you limp dick is that true?

**marksmythe09** · 03-20-2010, 05:18 PM

No it didnt happen to me any ways lol but look into it and i have have got many friends on it as well but not heard of it happenin to them well unless they not tell lol..

**Hollywood2** · 03-20-2010, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Flex6018

I've always heard people say that deca with give you limp dick is that true?

First of all limp d1ck can occur with deca but only when it is run without test. That is why you should run test with it, always. If you want to gain some mass deca and test is a great way to go. It is very basic and very good. You can also jump start with dbol , 30-50mg/ED. Start with 30mg and see what that does for you. If you metabolism is fast up your calories even more. When I bulk I take in at least 5k cals a day. This will give you amazing gains.

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 05:23 PM

Im trying to win my first npc show and i need a good cycle and dosage of that gear that im going to be taking

**Flex6018** · 03-20-2010, 05:26 PM

Thanks Hollywood but you said deca and test is a great cycle to get mass gains but how much of each should i take a week?

**Hollywood2** · 03-20-2010, 06:46 PM

Well since you did 450mg of test a week b4 I would do a total of 2cc of each this time and I would divide up the shots so that your injecting two days each week. For example, you can shoot 1cc test and 1cc deca on Sunday, and then repeat that on Wednesday. That would give you a total of 2cc of each per week. You can do this even for test enanthate which is the longer ester. You can also combine the test and deca in one syringe if you want so it's a total of 2 shots per week instead of 4.

**Flex6018** · 03-21-2010, 01:13 PM

Hollywood do you think it is a good idea to run d-bal with this cycle of test E and deca if so how many mg should i do a day?

**Hollywood2** · 03-21-2010, 01:29 PM

Well you definitely can. You will gain a lot of mass with dbol , much of which is water, but it is a great way to jumpstart a cycle. You can run dbol for the first 3-4 weeks and I would start at 30mg a day, depending on the results you could bump it up to 50mg ED

**Flex6018** · 03-21-2010, 01:48 PM

Hollywood, how long should i do this cycle for? And how long should i take off before i start a new cycle? And what should i do to keep the mass i've gaind without looseing that gains i have made?

**Hollywood2** · 03-21-2010, 02:06 PM

I would recommend doing the cycle for 12-15 weeks with the test and deca tapered off for the last few weeks. Also make sure to do a proper pct with nolva and clomid to help get your natural test levels back to normal. The rule of thumb for time off is that time off should be of equal to that of your cycle, so you should be off for at least 3 months. This will also help you keep your gains as opposed to dieting immediately after the bulk. Make sure to keep your cals high as well as your protein and carbs. You will lose some mass just because you will lose some water that you gained with the dbol .

**Flex6018** · 03-21-2010, 02:28 PM

Hollywood when you mean taoered off i should only do 1cc of each for two weeks?

**Hollywood2** · 03-21-2010, 02:42 PM

Yup. That would work just fine. You want to lower your dose at the end so it's not as hard for your natural test levels to get back to normal. It would be much harder on your system if you ended your cycle still doing 2cc of each per week, which means you could have worse side effects (or side effects period). That is why tapering off is crucial in my opinion.

**lostboy74** · 03-21-2010, 09:16 PM

flex...look at what these people are telling you and let me know what part makes any sense...1cc twice a week...there are more than 5 different dosages for decca that i have seen this week alone. make sure you know how many mg are in each ml of the compounds that you are taking...its not measured just cc or ml!!!take into consideration the mg of the compounds..ie decca 200 or 300??? test 400, 300, 250???know your gear flex before you inject

**Hollywood2** · 03-21-2010, 09:52 PM

You're right lostboy. I assumed decca 300, which would be 600mg a week, test e 250 @ 500mg a week. But yes it is better to spread out your shots over the week rather than all at once to keep blood levels constant.

**Flex6018** · 03-21-2010, 09:58 PM

Lostboy74, Im going to take test E 250mg per 1 ml
The deca is 200mg per 1 ml
and the d-bal is 10mg tabs
How do you think i should run this cycle?

**lostboy74** · 03-21-2010, 10:21 PM

im on a test, eq cycle...was going to run decca with this stack but my source flaked. my current cycle is
test enth 250 (250mg pinned e3.5d) 500mg a week
eq 200 (300mg pinned e3.5d) 600mg a week
decca 200 (200mg e3.5d)

you could do this and drop the eq