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    Question Help Progesterone Control (B6|Dostinex|Parlodel|Dopergin)?

    B6 vs. Dostinex (Cabergoline) vs. Parlodel (Bromocriptine) vs. Dopergin (Lisuride Maleate)

    Guys, i have access to all of the above, but their prices totally vary from very high to appropriate! So based on your experience, what do you think is really needed for Test E & Tern A cycle for Progesterone Control?

    Administration, for your review:
    For B6 200mg ED
    For Cabergoline 0.25mg E3D
    For Bromocriptine 2.5mg ED (1.25mg AM and 1.25mg PM)
    For Dopergin 0.05mg 4 times a day ED

    Appreciate your help, i just need to finalize my cycle setup

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    Where is the evidence progesterone is raised because of the use of progestins?

    Where is the evidecne prolactin is raised during the use of progestins?

    Your problem isnt prolactin or progesterone, its estrogen. Use an AI and you should be fine, but keep cabergoline or pramipexole on hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    Where is the evidence progesterone is raised because of the use of progestins?

    Where is the evidecne prolactin is raised during the use of progestins?

    Your problem isnt prolactin or progesterone, its estrogen. Use an AI and you should be fine, but keep cabergoline or pramipexole on hand.
    Thanks Swifto, I will be using Proviron @ 100 mg ED (50mg every 12 hours)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadeed View Post
    Thanks Swifto, I will be using Proviron @ 100 mg ED (50mg every 12 hours)
    Would this be enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadeed View Post
    Thanks Swifto, I will be using Proviron @ 100 mg ED (50mg every 12 hours)
    I found Proviron very weak at combating estrogenic side effects, even at 75-100mg/ED. At high doses it was ineffective and became expensive.

    When controlling estorgen now, I use Aromasin 10mg/ED or EOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    I found Proviron very weak at combating estrogenic side effects, even at 75-100mg/ED. At high doses it was ineffective and became expensive.

    When controlling estorgen now, I use Aromasin 10mg/ED or EOD.
    Thanks Swifto, i always manage to control estrogen sides using 75-100mg Poviron & 10mg Nolva ED. but this time i will add Tren for the 1st time and i read many experienced members here saying that i can't take Nolva with Tren or Deca ! I can't get Aromasin but can get Letro (but it's very expensive).

    Also, i really did not understand what you are pointing to in your 2 questions beow:

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    Where is the evidence progesterone is raised because of the use of progestins?

    Where is the evidecne prolactin is raised during the use of progestins?

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    You can take Tamoxifen and Tren /Deca . The ones that say this are meerly repeating others views without understanding why not themselves.

    The true problem is estrogen or the estrogen receptor (ER). Progesterone is synthesised in reponse to estrogen in breast tissue. So SERMs such as Tamoxifen than downregulate the ER in breast tissue also downregulate the PgR (Progesterone Receptor).

    Prolactin is regulated and secreted by estrogen aromotasing and secreted at the ant. pituitary lobe (the same as thyroid hormones). Compounds than interect with the ER can cause prolactin (PRL) to rise.

    Using an AI should, in theory, prevent PRL from rising, but this doesnt always happen. So its advised to keep a dopamine agonist (caber, prami) on hand incase of PRL increasing.

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    Use an AI (Aromasin ) and keep both Tamox and Caber on hand IMHO. If you run into problems, run Tamoxifen at 20-40mg/ED, and you could if PRL is elevated run Caber/Prami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    You can take Tamoxifen and Tren /Deca . The ones that say this are meerly repeating others views without understanding why not themselves.

    The true problem is estrogen or the estrogen receptor (ER). Progesterone is synthesised in reponse to estrogen in breast tissue. So SERMs such as Tamoxifen than downregulate the ER in breast tissue also downregulate the PgR (Progesterone Receptor).

    Prolactin is regulated and secreted by estrogen aromotasing and secreted at the ant. pituitary lobe (the same as thyroid hormones). Compounds than interect with the ER can cause prolactin (PRL) to rise.

    Using an AI should, in theory, prevent PRL from rising, but this doesnt always happen. So its advised to keep a dopamine agonist (caber, prami) on hand incase of PRL increasing.

    So,

    Use an AI (Aromasin) and keep both Tamox and Caber on hand IMHO. If you run into problems, run Tamoxifen at 20-40mg/ED, and you could if PRL is elevated run Caber/Prami.
    Perfect, thank you so much Swifto.

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    Awsome post answered all my questions, great job!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2Deep View Post
    Awsome post answered all my questions, great job!!!!
    Cool man, what's your planned cycle + PCT setup?

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    HGH 3ius ed For 8 months
    Sus @ 500 mg every third day for 14 weeks
    Deca @ 250 mg every third day for 14 weeks
    Aromasin @ 10 mcgs eod for 18 weeks
    PGCL @ 50 mcgs twice a day on Mondays and Thurdays because time allows for sh*ting. It works great for my bloat. for 14 weeks
    PCT clomid and nolva starting at week 13 and running for 5 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2Deep View Post
    HGH 3ius ed For 8 months
    Sus @ 500 mg every third day for 14 weeks
    Deca @ 250 mg every third day for 14 weeks
    Aromasin @ 10 mcgs eod for 18 weeks
    PGCL @ 50 mcgs twice a day on Mondays and Thurdays because time allows for sh*ting. It works great for my bloat. for 14 weeks
    PCT clomid and nolva starting at week 13 and running for 5 weeks
    Nice stack man, good luck...

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    Tren Ace PCT

    Is Proviron an okay option for a stand-alone cycle of Trenbolone Ace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by strongman2010 View Post
    Is Proviron an okay option for a stand-alone cycle of Trenbolone Ace?
    I don't think so. But that's the least of your worries. If you are running only Tren A your ding dong is going to get REEEEAAAAL lazy my brother.

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