Why pct instead of like this?

**no1tou** · 03-21-2010, 07:03 PM

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/test1.htm

So why pct instead of using clomid and nolva on cycle?

**Jbert22** · 03-21-2010, 08:07 PM

interesting. more guys on here need to read!!!

**no1tou** · 03-22-2010, 06:57 AM

Bump

**dec11** · 03-22-2010, 08:40 AM

ever heard the phrase, 'dont believe everything you read'. tht cud have been compiled by mickey mouse and referenced. i seriously doubt using clomid while on

**tboney** · 03-22-2010, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by declan11

ever heard the phrase, 'dont believe everything you read'. tht cud have been compiled by mickey mouse and referenced. i seriously doubt using clomid while on

I agree.

**no1tou** · 03-22-2010, 09:15 AM

Well it's too late for me to try that way regardless but it just seemed to make sense to try and prevent shutdown rather then try to recover from it post cycle.

I will be running the tried and true nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50

**dec11** · 03-22-2010, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by SportbikeBob

Well it's too late for me to try that way regardless but it just seemed to make sense to try and prevent shutdown rather then try to recover from it post cycle.

I will be running the tried and true nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50

hcg is what you want while on, to keep the nuts functioning

**lexruger** · 03-22-2010, 09:45 AM

your body stops producing its natural test because putting in extra test brings the body from homeostasis, the body shuts down nat. test production to bring it down....

why would clomid and nolva on cycle trick your body into not stopping test production? if this were true, we would already be doin this... who wants to be shut down? definently not the guy with the shrunken nuts and no libido and especially the 21 y.o. on hrt.....

**Dog-Slime** · 03-22-2010, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by lexruger

your body stops producing its natural test because putting in extra test brings the body from homeostasis, the body shuts down nat. test production to bring it down....

why would clomid and nolva on cycle trick your body into not stopping test production? if this were true, we would already be doin this... who wants to be shut down? definently not the guy with the shrunken nuts and no libido and especially the 21 y.o. on hrt.....

I dunno about clomid and nolva stopping suppression all together but it could help prevent shutdown from occuring. My last cycle was 16-20 weeks (didnt count just shot till it was gone BAH) of test e and eq and I ran what most would consider a high dose of a-dex and a moderate dose of pramipexole and had no noticeable shrinkage. Did not have bloodwork to see how much suppression occured tho and Im sure it did but PCT was a breeze.

P.S. EQ is shit no matter how long you run it...

**no1tou** · 03-22-2010, 01:14 PM

Well that's why I'm on here! Good info guys!

**Dog-Slime** · 03-22-2010, 02:57 PM

But in any case using nolva and or clomid for that long is not good IMO and a pct would still be necessary so I think your better off lowering suppression by reducing estrogen and/or prolactin.