What are some typical 2nd cycles people do?

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 04-06-2010, 09:53 PM

I've seen people ask if "their" lay out for a 2nd cycle is ok and I've seen a few suggestions in many posts but Id like to make a thread that I can come back to and look at all the good advice from experienced members only hopefully.

What do YOU recommend is a good 2nd cycle to take for someone wanting to add lean muscle.

Currently Im doing Test E 250mg every 3.5 days not sure if Ill run it for 10 or 12 weeks yet.

Would you all recommend I stick with Test E? So far no side effects what so ever and Im almost done with week 5.

Id like to avoid something like dbol where I gain water weight. But it sure would have been nice to take something to kickstart the first few weeks.

Anyways go ahead and let me know what you would recommend and why. This could turn out to be very informative for alot of people

**jordann** · 04-06-2010, 09:57 PM

For a second cycle I would recommend test E or C @ 500mg/week along with EQ @ 300mg/week. Throw in dbol to kick start the cycle.

Simplicity is best.

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 04-06-2010, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by jordann

For a second cycle I would recommend test E or C @ 500mg/week along with EQ @ 300mg/week. Throw in dbol to kick start the cycle.

Simplicity is best.

Thats one of the 5 2nd cycles I had in mind, minus the dbol

I've done some reading on Test C and if its so much like Test E why do people prefer one to the other?

Is it possible I could react even better to Test C? Or should I stick with something that is obviously working good for me already.

When I got decisions to make I ask ALOT of questions

Just like shopping for a car, its something Im going to have to live with so I better know WTF Im doing

I was thinking of 400mg wk of the EQ though

Ive read both Deca and EQ profiles, what makes someone pick Deca over EQ or vice versa?

**jordann** · 04-06-2010, 10:09 PM

Cypionate 's structure is a bit longer than enanthate , so you get a bit more actual testosterone in C than you do with E. I also believe C is more common in some parts of the world where E is hard to get and vice versa. Could be wrong. Most people will just use either/or depending on what they can get their hands on.

If you are using the E and enjoy it, stick with it. I've been very happy with C, never used E but once you know something works well for you there is a stigma attached to it that the other might not work as well for you...funny how the brain works.

**Tyler694** · 04-06-2010, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by LiftedDuramax2007

... Id like to avoid something like dbol ...

Originally Posted by jordann

... Throw in dbol ...

Sorry, I just thought that was funny. Not a bad idea, the water weight can be combated. Plus, it isn't permanent.

**jordann** · 04-06-2010, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tyler694

Sorry, I just thought that was funny. Not a bad idea, the water weight can be combated. Plus, it isn't permanent.

Haha. I was going to suggest dbol or a-bombs (100mg/ED for 3 weeks) if you're brave enough.

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 04-06-2010, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by jordann

Haha. I was going to suggest dbol or a-bombs (100mg/ED for 3 weeks) if you're brave enough.

Yea thats one more thing I should add in for people recommending 2nd cycles.

I like to keep things simple and dont want to go over board.

Maybe just add one more compund to the Test E or C

**OldManRiver** · 04-06-2010, 10:27 PM

Yes, someone answer why deca is preferred over eq? Or vice versa? I have deca available for next cycle, but want to hear what people think.

**Black** · 04-06-2010, 10:51 PM

Mainly preference. EQ is regarded as a weaker steroid than Deca . Deca is usually used on a bulker. Will definitely put weight on you. EQ will harden you up and increase your appetite (which is great for when you're bulking). These are things I've come across reading.

I'm getting ready to use EQ on a lean bulker along with Test E. Deca and Test on a bulker later this year (in the winter).

Do a search to get a more specific comparison.

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 04-06-2010, 11:21 PM

What if I were to run
1-12wks Test E 500mgwk
1-10wks Test P 200mgwk

Not sure if I have the weeks right for Test P, but Im sure Ive read a few times that it can be used as a kick start right?

Or is it better to go with the EQ or Deca instead of using Test P to jump start?

**Black** · 04-06-2010, 11:28 PM

EQ and Deca take awhile to kick in also. About 3-5 weeks for Test E to kick in (however, some people are different).

So you are going to run 700mg of Test a week for 10 weeks and then 500mg for the last 2? You know prop has a short half-life and needs to be injected EOD preferably.

I may be mistaken, but Test is Test right? Since prop has a short ester, does it actually take effect sooner or does that even matter?

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 04-06-2010, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dante Diamond

EQ and Deca take awhile to kick in also. About 3-5 weeks for Test E to kick in (however, some people are different).

So you are going to run 700mg of Test a week for 10 weeks and then 500mg for the last 2? You know prop has a short half-life and needs to be injected ED or EOD preferably.

I may be mistaken, but Test is Test right? Since prop has a short ester, does it actually take effect sooner or does that even matter?

I mean unless Im just totally not understanding things yes I would be doing 700mg a wk and Test Prop is supposed to kick in faster and also has a shorter half life.

Maybe only run it for 6wks? Then continue taking test E at 750mg/wk

Thats the thing Im not experienced enough to know why people take Test E 500mg/wk and then deca or EQ rather than just upping the dosage of Test E to 750mg/wk sides?

What if you experience no sides what so ever while on Test E, isnt that enough of a reason to be able to up the dosage next cycle? Or maybe its because itll be harsher on you when coming off when stacking it with Deca or EQ and keeping the dosage at 500mg/wk is less harsh on you when coming off