EC to Clen

**arshigtx** · 04-11-2010, 06:29 PM

So I made my order from AR-R today for clen , and since I'm in canada, I'm guessing its probably going to take a couple weeks.

What I was wondering though is if it were okay if I take EC until I get my clen then go directly onto it.

Would it be better to leave at least a week gap in between? Or just not take anything at all and just take the clen whenever it arrives?

Thanks

**zaneisgreat** · 04-11-2010, 06:41 PM

The two substances hit the same type of receptors... so I would take the clen only if you are towards the first couple days of E/C

I would hold off tbh unless you wanna see how your body handles this type of cycling. Clen is obviously more powerful but the sides will be comprable and running a full E/C cycle might help you access things better with clen (i.e. when to take last dose of day).

**lifterjaydawg** · 04-12-2010, 12:06 PM

good luck with the clen , works great for cutting. Are you supplementing taurine or keto with it?

**nunyabizness** · 04-12-2010, 12:21 PM

I would second laying off the EC before starting the clen . Same reason, if you are hitting the same receptors you will start losing the effect of clen quicker. I'm just finishing up a 4 week cycle of Albuterol, and using a bit of EC once a week prior to heavy workouts. I will be waiting two weeks before starting the clen just to give my receptors a break. I also did two days of ketoifen after finishing the albuterol.

**Walnutz** · 04-12-2010, 01:29 PM

I wouldn't take anything at all so you get the full benefits of clen . ar-r 's clen is good stuff.

**B1gDaddy** · 04-12-2010, 03:29 PM

Woah woah... there is international shipping now to canada??

**Walnutz** · 04-12-2010, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by B1gDaddy

Woah woah... there is international shipping now to canada??

Yes, there are a few threads from international customers about their positive experience with ar-r

**B1gDaddy** · 04-12-2010, 03:35 PM

Ah nvm, i thought the supplement store had international shipping now too but it doesnt.. damn lol

**arshigtx** · 04-12-2010, 08:16 PM

Thanks guys, I decided I'm going to wait until my clen gets here. I just hope it gets here quickly so I can really get my cut into gear.

And yeah, I'm taking taurine with it. Well I will be if I do get body aches. Hopefully I do, or else the taurine would be useless haha.

Didnt order any keto though, looked kind of expensive. I'm going to try the benadryl, but if anything I really dont mind taking 2 weeks off.

**zaneisgreat** · 04-12-2010, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by arshigtx

I'm going to try the benadryl, but if anything I really dont mind taking 2 weeks off.

I did benadryl between clen cycles last time... i'm still trying to decide if it did indeed make the clen more effective.

Its hard to say because the clen alone is undoubtedly pretty effective.

**jordann** · 04-12-2010, 08:22 PM

Used ar-r clenbuterol years ago. Was very satisfied with it.

If you do decide to use the E/C, don't forget the aspirin. I feel many people underestimate the importance of the aspirin as it helps to inhibit lipogenesis by extending the duration of the E/C effect and blocking the incorporation of acetate into fatty acids.

**arshigtx** · 04-12-2010, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by zaneisgreat

I did benadryl between clen cycles last time... i'm still trying to decide if it did indeed make the clen more effective.

Its hard to say because the clen alone is undoubtedly pretty effective.

How much Ben did you take? Did you just take the recommended dosage on the package? Did you take it before bed too, or right after the clen?

Originally Posted by jordann

Used ar-r clenbuterol years ago. Was very satisfied with it.

If you do decide to use the E/C, don't forget the aspirin. I feel many people underestimate the importance of the aspirin as it helps to inhibit lipogenesis by extending the duration of the E/C effect and blocking the incorporation of acetate into fatty acids.

I've heard its not always a good idea to use aspirin. EC has worked pretty well for me without the aspirin.

**Rocksteady Chid** · 04-12-2010, 09:21 PM

arsh if thats a pic of you , my friend you look pretty rocked up as it is... how much more cutting u lookin to do?

**B1gDaddy** · 04-13-2010, 08:16 AM

Can you also lay out what your cycle is going to look like with clen ? Im not going to critique it this is just for my own self. But if there is something severely off ill let u know for ur safety

**Bossman** · 04-13-2010, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by arshigtx

Thanks guys, I decided I'm going to wait until my clen gets here. I just hope it gets here quickly so I can really get my cut into gear.

And yeah, I'm taking taurine with it. Well I will be if I do get body aches. Hopefully I do, or else the taurine would be useless haha.

Didnt order any keto though, looked kind of expensive. I'm going to try the benadryl, but if anything I really dont mind taking 2 weeks off.

Start taking your taurine at least when you start clen. The taurine fights the clen cramps. For me, they kick in on day one of clen.

**arshigtx** · 04-13-2010, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Rocksteady Chid

arsh if thats a pic of you , my friend you look pretty rocked up as it is... how much more cutting u lookin to do?

haha thats an old pic, im currently bulked up with some undesired bodyfat I need to get rid of..

Originally Posted by B1gDaddy

Can you also lay out what your cycle is going to look like with clen ? Im not going to critique it this is just for my own self. But if there is something severely off ill let u know for ur safety

i'm just going to try the cycle that was outlined in the clen faq thread

Day 1 60mcg
Day 2 60mcg
Day 3 60mcg
Day 4 80mcg
Day 5 80mcg
Day 6 80mcg
Day 7 100mcg
Day 8 100mcg
Day 9 100mcg
Day 10 120mcg
Day 11 120mcg

If anything i think i might lower the dosage on the first 2 days...

I was wondering though, if i do take the 2 weeks off, do i have to build up the dosages again? Or can i start week 4 at 120 mcg.

**B1gDaddy** · 04-13-2010, 11:41 AM

if the reason you take two weeks off is to clear your receptors cause they are adapting to the clen ur taking in, then i would guess that you would start over at 60 mcg and work your way up again.

Is it better to run clen with something else? Like you would with winny or is clen safe to use on its own

**Phate** · 04-13-2010, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by B1gDaddy

if the reason you take two weeks off is to clear your receptors cause they are adapting to the clen ur taking in, then i would guess that you would start over at 60 mcg and work your way up again.

Is it better to run clen with something else? Like you would with winny or is clen safe to use on its own

downregulation, as pertaining to clen, means that the clen is reducing the number of beta receptors as it antagonizes them, upregulation means that mRNA is coding proteins, then transcribing and translating them, which creates new receptors and thus allows the clen to work more efficiently

in a nutshell, the more clen you use the faster you run out of beta receptors, less beta receptors means less clen can antagonize them resulting in less effectiveness

think about it this way

if you have two ziplock bags full of water and you poke 1 needle hole in one and 100 holes in the other, which one will lose water faster? the one with 100 holes right

if you are taking clen(at the dosages we use) then you have more clen molecules then receptors that they can attach to

the more clen receptors you have the more clen can attach and the faster your metabolism goes

but if you start to lose those receptors(downregulation) now you have a huge abundance of clen with very little receptors to use it and your metabolism slows

how do you fix this? get more receptors(upregulation), that way more clen can attach and your metabolism can increase again

**arshigtx** · 04-13-2010, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by B1gDaddy

if the reason you take two weeks off is to clear your receptors cause they are adapting to the clen ur taking in, then i would guess that you would start over at 60 mcg and work your way up again.

Is it better to run clen with something else? Like you would with winny or is clen safe to use on its own

Isnt winny an anabolic steroid ? winstrol ? no way man, I know i'm on a steroid forum, but im still natural, for now anyways...

I'm pretty sure that clen is safe to run on it's own, atleast from what i've read.

**B1gDaddy** · 04-13-2010, 11:51 AM

Ohh alright lol, good for you! I didnt know that haha.

**Phate** · 04-13-2010, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by B1gDaddy

if the reason you take two weeks off is to clear your receptors cause they are adapting to the clen ur taking in, then i would guess that you would start over at 60 mcg and work your way up again.

Is it better to run clen with something else? Like you would with winny or is clen safe to use on its own

clen is a sympathomimetic, meaning it works in the sympathetic nervous system(fight or flight response system), it doesn't affect hormone levels so it can be used individually or in a cycle